"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein We are INSANE for thinking we'd win with the season on the line. We ALWAYS choke in December. Quit bellyaching about how the media never gives us respect. Keep whining about how the talking heads picked us to lose. Those guys picked us to lose cause they're NOT INSANE like we are.
Such as completely tearing down and rebuilding every [arbitrary number] years, expecting greatness in the last year, before completely tearing down and starting the rebuild all over again? Lather, rise, repeat? That's the only consistent pattern I've really noticed around these parts for the past 15+ years.
I'm not in favor of arbitrary numbers determining how long a guy can go without being fired. There are too many variables and shades of grey in reality, its not just black and white. However, for everyone we've had since Jimmy quit, it was time to go when they were canned. The problem is that we continue to hire the wrong people, not that we let them go before they can get the job done.
Yeah you can't really say we cut anybody loose too soon because none of our former coaches are enjoying success anywhere else in the NFL.
Lazor is insane for continuing to favor the passing game, with playoffs on the line. (To his credit he did well in the first quarter calling a balanced game, which was a pleasant surprise.)
The opposite isn't all that sweet of a deal either. Keep the staff that lives and breathes .500 football and hope that one day the team is talented enough to go 10-6, make the playoffs, and get bounced out in the 1st round, like Marvin Lewis? Philbin isn't a good coach. He's not terrible, but he's not good enough to ever be great. If he would of taken over for Mike McCarthy, I'm sure he'd find a way to make them a .500 team. If you want a Belichick, Chip Kelly, Bruce Arians, etc... You gotta hire and fire until you find one.
Especially under coach Philbum. He couldn't even beat the Bills and Jets to get us into the playoffs last year. You expected him to have his team ready for Baltimore? **** we nearly lost to the Jets with the playoffs on the line 2 years in a row. This guy has got to go.
You're probably right. There's no sense getting all wrapped up in the idea of taking a risk if there's no reward. Rex Ryan knows defensive game-planing, but has helped drive the NYJ into the ground as a head coach. Jim Harbaugh seems to have inherited a lot of others people talent, which would worry me were I attempting to grade his resume. The great coaches seem to understand how to put together teams, which at least seems to be Philbin's primary focus, even if he's not the greatest leader.
We have played the game wrong lately. Keep the GM and find a coach then keep the coach and find a GM.
I don't agree. And doing nothing prolongs what we currently have. Disappointment. How is that better?
The difference is that I see unity of vision between Hickey and Philbin. That unity of vision will improve the team, so there is definitely something we will lose.
I don't know why fans believe what happened last year, let alone ten years ago with different players somehow impacts this season or future performance. I guess we should just drop out og the NFL.
Every team does it, it's the way of the NFL. If you don't succeed after 3-4 years, you lose your job and the new guy tears things apart and puts them together the way he likes them.
You don't think last year's collapse has any bearing on how to evaluate this year's collapse? I get how you can discount 10 years ago. But last year's failures should definitely be taken into account when evaluating this year's failures.
Only on the coaching level. This year has been due more to injuries than anything. Though I'd still like Joe fired.
Personally I just want to win. I don't care who the coach, QB, whatever is. Its just become obvious that while Philbin isn't terrible he simply isnt good enough to navigate a team through tough circumstances.
Why does anyone believe that a new coach means we're stuck being 8-8? Didn't Harbaugh take his team to the NFC championship in his first season? Getting a competent coach could do wonders, immediately. Embrace Philbin's demise. It's happening whether anyone likes it or not. No way does he survive this season.
The good teams don't do it BECAUSE they're good. Teams that used to be good and DON'T do it after 3-4 years of failure aren't good anymore. Check the Giants for an example.
Getting the RIGHT coach is the key. And that requires a competent front office, which we haven't had for the last 15 years.
Fair enough. You never fire a staff that is doing a good job. Granted. But look at the Steelers through the 80s and 90s. They weathered the storm with Cowher and established a certain culture. Interestingly enough, I view the Giants as a beacon of stability in a city of knee-jerk superstar media. Coughlin was unimpressive and it seemed like someone in the NY press was calling for his head on a weekly basis. Right up to the moment they "backed into the playoffs" and won their first superbowl in a very long time, over the 2007 juggernaut Pats team. Then again they called for his head, until they again snuck into the playoffs. The media had Coughlin fired after the team's special teams laid an egg vs. Deshawn Jackson in the closing seconds of a game that year. The Giants could just as easily been the Jacksonville Jaguars of the past decade+, who chose not to stick with Coughlin (in spite of success, oddly enough). All I'm saying is: Let's show some patience, faith and resolve through tough times. Let's ease off on the head-hunting.
The league has changed quite a bit since then, though. That approach may not work anymore. If we had a coach with a record of success like Coughlin's, I would agree. He's taken two different teams deep into the playoffs and won two Superbowls. Philbin doesn't have that record so I have far less patience with him. And we've had little else BUT tough times for the last ten years. The common denominator has been coaches that sucked and QBs that were also-ran journeymen or busts. And horrible front office decisions. The problem starts at the top.
And he'll never have that record (with our franchise) if we can him and his staff. I like to think that coaches grow, learn and adjust. Growing pains. Especially with guys like Philbin whom have never been head coaches in the NFL. When we eject on coaches we go through the pain without any of the payoffs, as we've been witnessing the past few iterations.
Being a football fan is the definition of insanity. If it didn't exist and someone told you he did an activity where his day is ruined if someone else doesn't preform well or he feels good when his team, which he has nothing to with, wins. Your first question would be, "Do you win money or something?" And when he answered no, you would think the person is nuts.
That's assuming any of those coaches WILL grow into playoff caliber coaches. I've seen no proof from ANY of the coaches we've wound up firing that this would have been the case. Cam Cameron never got another head coaching job. Sparano has taken the Raiders to a very bad record and shows no propensity to change. Going further back, Wanstedt never became an NFL head coach for any other team. And that's about it, right? Saban abandoned us, so we didn't fire him. Looking at that list, I don't see where we've made any mistakes letting coaches go...the only mistake was ever hiring them in the first place.
http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?84230-The-Continuity-Conundrum The Steelers didn't weather the storm of Bill Cowher. He was 32-16 over his first 3 years and made it to the AFC championship game during that time. I looked at all of the coaches I could find who had coached at least 5 years for the same team. Of those coaches, only Jeff Fisher (Titans), Bill Bellichick (Browns), and Sam Wyche (Bengals), Gary Kubiak (Texans), and Norv Turner (Redskins) failed to make the playoffs in their first 3 years. That is out of 47 coaching tenures of 5+ years. Jeff Fisher was the only coach to amass a +.500 record over that coaching stint and he barely hovered there with a .551 win record over a 16 year stint. In my findings, coaches secure stability for a franchise by being good early, rather than the franchise having long term success because they stuck with bad coaches until they got good.
Signs of insanity are the cries for Harbaugh and Rex Ryan, like we have not been through that with Jimmy! Saban! Parcells! All of those guys are losers in Dolphin land.
Interesting observations. I stand corrected. So it is the early success which grants partial tenure down the road. I do still assert that Cowher's reign in Pittsburgh was not all roses and rainbows. They did have straits of sub .500 years in that time, yet the Rooneys hung in there and reaped the rewards. I am surprised with the findings regarding Kubiak. Texans seemed a lot more successful than they really were under Kubiak. Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
Cam Cameron might have been the result of the mad scramble to fill the position after the Saban backstabbing; the guy did not belong in the league as any kind of assistant much less a coach. Also, to be fair to Sparano, Oakland is where coaching careers go to die. That is just a rotten hellhole of a situation; top to bottom. His stint in NY, I absolutely cannot vouch for. No way. That said, hiring Sparano as your OC, is exactly how you get your *** fired, Tannenbaum. That Jets team did provide some good laughs though, so there's that. Sparano!
I'm all for keeping someone for a decade or so. Always have been, simply allows people to get comfortable. Just make sure the guy has some fire in his belly. Would love to see Chuckie coach for us until he gets burned out. Ironic that Parcells was hired to erase the primadonna culture, yet the poison pill in that contract was our swapping out a classy owner for a diva. Don't kid yourselves, Ross botches the s@#t out of everything. And they wonder why half our members could legitimately do standup. I mean, remember the ridiculously funny secluded press conference after Soprano's coaching cuckolding with Harbaugh. You can't script s#%t that funny. Wasn't Canephins actually tracking his private jet in a thread during the whole fiasco? Eff it, we might as well have Danny McBride as our head coach.
At least they can describe as head coaches what the playoffs look like from a vantage point other than their couch. Signs of insanity are putting a lackluster head coach on a pedestal despite owning a sub .500 record and being on the verge of losing his job and never working as an NFL head coach again if he can't pull his team's head out of its *** in this final hour.
