Ryan Tannehill will be the first one to criticize his own play. One thing he does not do is back away from criticism, and he usually fixes what ever he sets his mind to.
I have to wonder if he's making the "aggressive" pre-snap read, finding the single covered man, especially when it's Wallace, and overruling the read progression and targeting that guy right after the snap. There are times when a QB has to recognize that a receiver is likely to win in a certain situation, and then make up his mind to simply get the ball in the air downfield in that direction after he's planted his back foot. I'm not sure Tannehill is making those kinds of "aggressive" decisions when looking at the defense before the snap. Now, if so, that may be because he's been instructed to go through his read progression instead; we don't know.
Oh knock it off. There's an aspect of Tannehill's game that's still lagging behind, and unquestionably it's his deep ball, or anything beyond 25 yards to be more precise. His mechanics and touch were off badly last year to anyone watching who knows what they're looking at, and it's clearly still a work in progress. That's why, compared to our parent offense [Philly], Lazor's offense here has devolved into a dink-and-dunk quick pass game despite the true nature of it being significantly more downfield-oriented than it currently is. Since you mention Andrew Luck, I'll add his team below as well. [TABLE="class: grid, width: 800"] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD="align: center"]20+ yard receptions / NFL Rank[/TD] [TD="align: center"]40+ yard / Rank[/TD] [TD="align: center"]20 & 40+ / rank[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]2014 Miami[/TD] [TD="align: center"]27/ 29th[/TD] [TD="align: center"] 1 / 31st[/TD] [TD="align: center"]28 /30th[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]2013 Philly[/TD] [TD="align: center"]80 / 1st [/TD] [TD="align: center"]18 / 1st[/TD] [TD="align: center"]98 / 1st[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]2014 Indy[/TD] [TD="align: center"]62 / 1st[/TD] [TD="align: center"]13 / 3rd[/TD] [TD="align: center"]75 / 1st[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Avg of top 16 teams[/TD] [TD="align: center"]45------[/TD] [TD="align: center"]10------[/TD] [TD="align: center"]55------[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] As you can plainly see, Miami's combined completions of 20+ and 40+ are half that of the top 16 team's average, are eye-gougingly off the pace of our parent offense's, and barely edge out the Jets [27] and Raiders [25]. But yeah, you're right- everything's dandy; nothing to see here folks; move along. Some people will try to obfuscate this issue by falsely arguing that Miami's reduction in downfield passing was intentionally done for efficiency reasons, however, Philly's offense quickly disproves that notion by ranking 3rd in offensive points per game last year [26.5], not to be confused with overall pts per game. Compare that to Miami's current 22.9 pts [ranked 12th]. That 3.6 point differential translates to an additional 58 points over the course of a season, much of which can come on game-changing downfield TDs. Case in point: [TABLE="class: grid, width: 760"] [TR] [TD="align: center"]throws of 20+ yards[/TD] [TD="align: center"]QB Rating[/TD] [TD="align: center"]completions [/TD] [TD="align: center"]attempts[/TD] [TD="align: center"]%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]TD[/TD] [TD="align: center"]INT[/TD] [TD="align: center"]yards[/TD] [TD="align: center"]y/a[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Tannehill[/TD] [TD="align: center"]36.6[/TD] [TD="align: center"]6[/TD] [TD="align: center"]31[/TD] [TD="align: center"]19.4[/TD] [TD="align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]191[/TD] [TD="align: center"]6.2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]2013 Philly[/TD] [TD="align: center"]109.3[/TD] [TD="align: center"]29[/TD] [TD="align: center"]75[/TD] [TD="align: center"]38.7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]16[/TD] [TD="align: center"]3[/TD] [TD="align: center"]1002[/TD] [TD="align: center"]13.6[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Luck[/TD] [TD="align: center"]116.8[/TD] [TD="align: center"]25[/TD] [TD="align: center"]54[/TD] [TD="align: center"]46.3[/TD] [TD="align: center"]7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]853[/TD] [TD="align: center"]15.8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Manning[/TD] [TD="align: center"]134.4[/TD] [TD="align: center"]20[/TD] [TD="align: center"]41[/TD] [TD="align: center"]48.8[/TD] [TD="align: center"]8[/TD] [TD="align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="align: center"]760[/TD] [TD="align: center"]18.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Brady[/TD] [TD="align: center"]76.2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]35[/TD] [TD="align: center"]20.0[/TD] [TD="align: center"]3[/TD] [TD="align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]277[/TD] [TD="align: center"]7.9[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] *Brady at least has an excuse. He's had nothing to throw to downfield until LaFell's recent emergence, and he's had minimal practice reps with LaFell compared to Tannehill and Wallace. [TABLE="class: grid, width: 760"] [TR] [TD="align: center"] throws of 30+ yards (since it's a better representation of the deep ball and more specifically involves Wallace's elite skill set)[/TD] [TD="align: center"] QB Rating[/TD] [TD="align: center"] completions [/TD] [TD="align: center"] attempts[/TD] [TD="align: center"] %[/TD] [TD="align: center"] TD[/TD] [TD="align: center"] INT[/TD] [TD="align: center"] yards[/TD] [TD="align: center"] y/a[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Tannehill[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2.4[/TD] [TD="align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]14[/TD] [TD="align: center"]7.1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]0[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]50[/TD] [TD="align: center"]3.6[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Roethlisberger '09-12 [/TD] [TD="align: center"]99.4[/TD] [TD="align: center"]31[/TD] [TD="align: center"]89[/TD] [TD="align: center"]34.8[/TD] [TD="align: center"]17[/TD] [TD="align: center"]5[/TD] [TD="align: center"]1496[/TD] [TD="align: center"]16.8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Luck[/TD] [TD="align: center"]100.4[/TD] [TD="align: center"]7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]18[/TD] [TD="align: center"]38.9[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]272[/TD] [TD="align: center"]15.1[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Care to try and argue your way out of a paper bag some more on the subject of Tannehill's deep ball?... or how it's somehow better than Luck's? I watch Luck on a weekly basis b/c he's my starting fantasy QB. His touch and accuracy on the deep ball is significantly better than Tannehill's at this juncture, and when he misses, it's usually by inches, not feet or yards. There are some who believe Miami's redzone offense could tolerate an improvement. Well, when you complete a handful of TDs beyond 20 yards, the offense bypasses the redzone. No need to settle for a FG, miss a FG, turn the ball over, or worry about whether or not to go for it on 4th down at the goal line. It's just an automatic TD.
The deep ball leaves you more room to be less than perfect throughout the game. If you don't have it in your arsenal, you're operating with a smaller margin for error than those who do have it.
And yet after reading ^^^^^^^ The same few people will chime in claiming it's not an issue. Well done TP
Yep...it needs improvement...so do the receivers. The team as a whole isn't great at it. But to the OP point, how important is it? Those teams you referenced have either the same record we do, or within a game (Indy) or two (Philly). I'd love to see it improve also, but not worried about it as a "thing." They are mastering the intermediate/short stuff...where every team has a predominate amount of passing attempts. I'll take that over the bomb.
It's about freakin time you did a few lines of coke and came to the party. Lol You're preaching to the choir with me, Fin-Omenal and a few others. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and expect several other members here do criticize, make lame excuses, call you names (1968?? LOL), and probably blame it on George Bush (FinD?). But anyone that actually watches the games without Aqua/Orange shades can see this. BTW, did you save me a couple of lines?
I have nothing to say except this looks bad. Clearly it's because this breaks it down to more specific deep ball passes compared to the ones that lump them all together with 20+ yard passes.
under bill lazor, nick foles and the eagles were criticized for not taking deep chances.... Lazor comes to miami, people criticize miami for not taking deep chances, meanwhile in philly they chuck is deep all the time now....
And the backtracking begins!!! No worries, just remember we ALL want Ryan to do well...the agenda is winning.
Mine isn't backtracking at all. I've always maintained he's not great at it, but also not horrible, and his receivers don't help him out there...too many bread-basket/highly catchable drops this year on the deep stuff. Then again I don't watch with the preconceived notion that "he" sucks at deep passing, nor am I delusional enough to expect Marino II. He's closer to average, or average at it, his receivers this year, on those passes (25+) have been below average.
Jeez you must have a hardon for me, or maybe my hot girlfriend. Well, you can't have her, but maybe I'll let you "Look" at one of my 100's of exes. I say only look because they wouldn't have you. Lmao Back on topic. You can't dink and dunk your way to a Super Bowl victory. You HAVE to be able to throw deep.
I will only sit on that seat with one butt cheek while farting in your general direction! lol. Those numbers can't be argued with. Todd did a good job with it, I've always respected his opinion back from our days in another forum. It's nice to see someone use the correct stats to argue a point, those 20+ yard stats just don't paint the right picture. I still would argue the importance of it, there is more ways to win games like we've been doing but it would definitely be a nice compliment to our game.
This again doesn't really address pertinent issues that have been brought up repeatedly. In 2012, Ryan Tannehill completed 20 of 51 attempts(43.1%), good for top 10 in the league. He had no difficulties with deep accuracy, it was better than average by a significant margin. That same year, Brian Hartline(who is allegedly totally and completely inept) was #8 in the NFL among wide receiver in deep yardage with 421 yards. Mike Wallace put up 263 deep yards in 2012(With Big Ben), 261 in 2013, and has 117 so far in 2014(putting him on pace for 156 for the year, basically a single 20+ yard reception). At this rate his combined deep production as a Dolphin is on pace to match Hartline's 2012 season sometime at the end of his third full year as a Dolphin. If you compare Mike Wallace's yards per deep attempt to the rest of the players Tannehill has attempted to throw to deep, the numbers are striking. Wallace is at about 6.75 yards per deep attempt in his Dolphins career. For every other wide receiver(2012-2014) the average is 12.02 yards. The emphasis on Wallace is killing the Dolphins deep passing game. His production came from specialized circumstances, not some sort of inherent skill. Maybe if you put him back with Bruce Arians and Big Ben he'd produce like he did in 2011 again, but that's not something the team needs to be chasing. They should be throwing deep to anyone but Wallace at this point.
Who's backtracking? I've been saying that Tannehill isn't that bad when throwing to those not named Wallace.
How is it true? Brady won Super Bowls throwing short stuff and having Vinatieri kick field goals, backed by a defense that gave up league low point totals.
I'll wait for a qb that routinely throws them flawlessly with an absolute travesty of an oline. This is also While still waiting for a #1 WR that doesn't have the hands of a nervous middle schooler trying out for a pop warner team.
I think that's true, though I don't see why there isn't room for the kind of evade-pressure-and-hit-Wallace-deep-when-he's-wide-open plays that were characteristic of he and Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh, which fits with Tannehill's abilities, as well. You may not want to emphasize Wallace on deep timing routes as much as they are now, but I don't see why these other types of plays aren't happening more often.
Have i ever? I only remember arguing with you one time about the same subject. I usually don't resort to name calling so if I did, I apologize. I rarely decide to argue because I know when people make up their minds they usually never change their mind.
Not all of you. Infact, I have a hard time granting that to anyone that thinks Ryan doesn't struggle with the deep ball.
