Ryan Tannehill 21-22 as a starter

Wilson struggles with what exactly? He led them to the Super Bowl and won. They are 8-4 now.... wish our QB would struggle like that

 

Team record isn't a good way to judge a QB.

Wilson is a good QB. No more and no less and yes I'd take Tannehill every day over him. I'd just take their coach and defense.

 

Just curious, but what % of the time do you think the run option should be used? Are you talking 90% of the offense or just mixed in 5 to 10%?

 

Dude that is hilarious! What is a good way to judge a QB if not for how many wins his team gets?

 

Ignorant.

 

By actually watching him play maybe?

 

And here we go again. New poster comes in, and we're back into the same old tired debate.

Is QB the only position on the field? What would our record be if the defense had closed out 3 games where they were given a lead very late in the fourth?

 

And using this logic we can conclude that Mark Sanchez is a far superior quarterback than Tannehill.

 

I've watched every game he has played in, have you? Wilson is legit!

 

I have. He is fine.

 

It is kinda interesting that Wilson is BAD, yet his team is winning. While Tannehill is good and his team is sometimes winning.

Until Tannehill came along I thought all QB's were really based on the number of games their team won. I've not ever heard of a team keeping a QB that doesnt win games, but maybe this is the new NFL.

 

interesting post. perhaps Sanchez is not as bad as you thought, it was only the team around him.

 

Just wondering.. I have yet to see you say one thing good about Tannehill. Would you prefer the Phins lose so we get another QB?

 

He had the best defense in the league and an all pro beast of a running back by his side.... but you're right Wilson won the super bowl, all glory to the quarterback!

Does Wilson win 13 games and the super bowl with Lamar Miller and Miami's offensive line last year?

 

Well.. How would you have judged Treat Dilfer as a QB. I do agree though wins are an important part of a QB portfolio.. But its not the only thing...

 

By the way.. Its OK to like Russell Wilson as a QB and like Ryan Tannehill. There seems to be this opinion that it's one or the other.

 

Who said Wilson was bad? Keep coming with the strawmen.

 

You mean the team that ran the ball down people's throats, and the defense that stomped people? You mean them? You mean the team that literally carried Sanchez everywhere he went?

Sanchez was every bit as bad as I, and every other NFL fan, thought.

 

By what objective measure is Wilson bad???

 

I think you'd have a very hard time convincing anyone that Russell Wilson isn't one of the best young QBs in the league. I believe his only real flaw is his height and I do think that impacts his play at times. But he's an exceptional athlete, team mate, and a great young man from all I can tell. He's everything you'd want to build your franchise around. I just so happen to believe that Ryan Tannehill meets those same qualities as well.

 

i think this thought that wins don't measure a Qbs impact is getting a little out of control, it absolutely can measure impact.

 

funny, theres some irony in here somewhere, take out the wins, if you compare Wilsons stats to the greatest ones of all time, in his first three years, he wins...but yeah we can't do that because stats don't measure Qbs, and wins don't measure qbs...

well my eyes tell me he's great, and without him, they'd be ringless and playoff less..hows that for impact...no ring

 

I honestly wouldn't trade Ryan Tannehill for Russell Wilson though.

But Im also honest enough to admit if we had drafted Russell Wilson.. I wouldn't trade him for Ryan Tannehill.

 

noone is saying that really...obviously only the eyes and talent to evaluate the player is the only way..but we can see what impact the player has.

 

lol

 

What? I'm a Homer. Lol.. Ive never hid that fact...I like them bit alot.. But 17 is my boy, so that's where I've parked my allegiance

 

I would like the running game run thru the formation, id like to practice it more and more, the more these players practice this formation the better they will become, so while most can't seem to conceptualize its depth and impact on a defense we will stay ahead of the game..

I would like to see ryan have on average about 5 carries a game..I would like to have much play action and movement off of the formation so id like to average 4 rolls/naked boots a game, then I d like to see him run the football from the pocket, on purpose, literally tuck and run it when the defense turns its back..

so to answer your question, less than 90, more than 5..I don't think we run it enough, and I don't think that ryan has learned the art of running on his own..

 

God no. The read option is dying in the nfl. Its another scheme offense like the wildcat that is great the first year because people aren't sure how to defend it. The read option is getting killed this year as defenses have caught up to it. You can get away with running it one series or two but that's the liMit. And I would keep tannehill over wilson any day. They are equal now and tanny is still getting better while wilson hasn't improved one bit since his rookie year

 

I dunno.. Play action works when you are running well. It's really hard I think to say Ryans not running it enough.. Or vice versa without looking at coach's film to see what's open.. Etc.

 

You are not the only one here who truly believes in the read option and believes it is here to stay. I do as well.


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There are better ways of doing it, but those ways are strongly correlated with wins. An example of an exception to the rule is Matt Ryan's performance in 2013 and 2014, which would normally translate to a better win percentage but hasn't because their pass defense has been so astoundingly poor. Then again, that reverts to QB play, in that the QBs who have opposed the Falcons those two years have been permitted to play very well against them, mitigating if not completely undermining Matt Ryan's influence on their win percentage.

 

He probably doesn't win 13 games and the Super Bowl, but with the same performance on his part, and with an average defense and running game, he probably wins about 11 games and makes the playoffs easily.

 

My apologies, I knew that..

 

I don't think you can say that. If you only switched Tannehill for Wilson, you'd have the same coaching staff, and I doubt that the gamelan would have been the same as Seattle used. So, probably wouldn't have seen the half field stuff that Wilson has been so successful at, and he wouldn't be running as much. Without those, you really think he'd have done significantly better than Tannehill?

 

Too bad wins are a team accomplishment and in no way, shape, or form are indicative of individual accomplishment.

 

What kind of information would tell you that statement was false?

 

I'm not understanding your question. My statement or the OP's statement?

 

Well, for one, it literally takes two people to make a completion.

 

And, at least, 5 to block.

 

That would be #2. But yeah.