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Tannehill: 11th in NFL with 93.4 Passer Rating

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GARDENHEAD, Nov 25, 2014.

  1. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Talk about cherry picking.
     
  2. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Agreed. Alex Smith was drafted in 2005 and it took him almost a decade to get the level he is at now. Tannehill has already surpassed him in just 2 seasons and without Jamaal Charles or Dwayne Bowe type players as a surrounding cast.

    The comparisons to guys who have been playing a decade or longer like Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc... are premature at this stage of his development.
     
  3. cuchulainn

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    That was his last season in PB and he's only had 1 full season here. Should I have went with his 09 season instead?
     
  4. Fins Hipster

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    Part of the issue, as I mentioned, is that we're rarely seeing the downfield throws that result from evading pressure and targeting receivers who have broken coverage and are wide open. Those are the high-percentage downfield passes, as opposed to the low-percentage ones that involve precise timing and accuracy into what's usually a much tighter window. Tannehill's downfield throws are usually the latter instead of the former, because at this point he's relatively poor at evading pressure and finding open targets downfield after he's extended the play.
     
  5. rtl1334

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    I don't know. I've seen improvement in this area...the TD to Matthews is one play that stands out. Besides, getting better at broken plays takes a symbiotic approach from the QB and WR.

    Be careful about blaming deficiencies in the passing game solely on the QB. There's usually a variety of reasons why teams ignore certain aspects of an attack why accentuating others.
     
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  6. Fins Hipster

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    I'd be less inclined to blame Tannehill for the deep passing game if it wasn't an issue that dated back to Texas A&M.
     
  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You mean, when he went from a receiver to a quarterback?
     
  8. MikeHoncho

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    Hindsight is 20/20 but damn.

    Oh my sides.

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  9. Brasfin

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    Looks like Todd McShay hit it home: "He's not a great decision-maker yet, cause he's not experienced, but he's going to gain experience, he's going to work through it, and I think when it's all said and done, he winds up being a top 10, top 12 QB in the NFL."

    He also hit it home regarding Weeden, LOL.

    Skip Bayless: "Brandon Weeden with the 4th overall pick and, book it, he will be successfull!" :sidelol:
     
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  10. Hiruma78

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    reading rafael's post in this thread... it almost makes me cry for happiness, damn.... :yes:
     
  11. Fins Hipster

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    Unfortunately if all he ends up being is a 10th- to 12th-ranked QB in the league, he's going to need lots of help from elsewhere on the team, and/or an uncommonly good playoff run marked by significantly better play than usual in an important area(s), for the Dolphins to be Super Bowl contenders. The teams with QBs ranked between 10 and 12 are rarely Super Bowl contenders, and when they are, they get exceptionally good play from elsewhere on their teams to make up the difference.
     
  12. resnor

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    How did the Dolphins do when they had a legit top 2 QB in the league with Marino? Were they Super Bowl contenders? The Super Bowl contenders are the most complete teams.
     
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  13. Unlucky 13

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    Dude! You are seriously hard to please. If we have a young quarterback, who can be 10-12 best in the league for the next decade, we're going to be going to the playoffs a lot. Put the right team around him, and you can go a long way. And its so much better than anything we've had since the 90s its not funny.
     
  14. djphinfan

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    just because some of us want him to do things that he isn't doing and we like to talk about it doesn't mean jack sh##, it just means we see how he can be a better version of himself and we like to talk about it..

    just because some don't sit back and settle because we have sucked for so long doesn't make anyone a bad fan.
     
  15. Fins Hipster

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    It's not that I'm hard to please; it's just the sobering reality of the NFL and how it currently revolves around the QB position. The teams with the best QBs are going to be playoff-caliber almost every year, and Super Bowl contenders with typical help from elsewhere on their teams. The teams with lesser QBs are going to need exceptional and unlikely help elsewhere to be Super Bowl contenders. A team with the 10th-ranked QB in the league, for example, is going to need an outstanding pass defense, and/or an outstanding turnover margin, to be highly competitive. The Green Bay Packers, by contrast, with Aaron Rodgers, need only about average play in those areas to be highly competitive. They're getting a lot of their competitiveness on QB play alone. And again, that's because the league rules are constructed such that QB play drives the bus to this extent.
     
  16. resnor

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    I disagree, as I don't see Tannehill as average. I think against an average defense, Tannehill tears them apart, much as any above average QB would. So, a team with a great quarterback, but an average defense, could still struggle in the playoffs. Football is still a team support, no matter how much anyone here wants to make it all about the QB. The most complete team wins. We're not talking about Trent Dilfer being carried by an all-time great defense here.
     
  17. resnor

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    Did anyone else see the great Andrew Luck underthrow the wide open Moncrief on that td? Moncrief had to come to a stop to make the catch, and was then able to run away from the defense to score.
     
  18. djphinfan

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    so what, the guy is freakin great..
     
  19. rtl1334

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    I think that you are a few years outdated with your theory of the QB position. Your theory climaxed around the 2012 Draft as there had been a run of top QBs winning SuperBowls. This theory caused the Redskins to sell their future on the belief that they were getting a franchise QB, as well, to reinforce the theory, most conveniently lumped Eli Manning into the elite category.

    Since then we've seen an average Joe Flacco beat an average Colin Kaepernick and then we watched alongside Russell Wilson as the Seahawks defense dismantled Peyton Manning.

    Bottom line...teams win championships, not just QBs.
     
  20. resnor

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    McCoy just underthrew Desean, but Desean adjusted, and caught the ball for a td.

    The point, dj? Really? The point is that everyone makes a big deal about Tannehill's underthrows, when the reality is EVERY QB does it, but other receivers are able to make plays on those balls. I just saw two in 15 minutes of the Colts/Skins game.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    i know everyone does it, but to use the example of luck in relation to tannehill is just hollow..it doesn't mean anything..ryan has not hit one pure deep throw in 11 weeks of football bro, theres no comparison..hes not good at it at this point, but it will come in bunches, he has the talent, he's just got to locate his target better..
     
  22. resnor

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    It's been discussed ad nauseum, but I do think he's had some pure deep throws...but they have been dropped. It's not as nightmarish as some want it to be.
     
  23. resnor

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    Moncrief just had to slow up again to wait for a deep ball from Luck. I can't believe Luck throws such a terrible ball.












    Lolololol
     
  24. Fins Hipster

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    Flacco's play in the playoffs and the Super Bowl in 2012 was exemplary. Without that they likely don't win. He wasn't average in the playoffs and the Super Bowl by any means. Kaepernick in 2012 was above-average in QB rating (98), #1 in the league in YPA (8.3), and he was aided by the #2 defense in the league in points surrendered. Wilson's play in the Super Bowl in 2013 would've kept the Seahawks in it even without their exemplary defensive play. The defensive play they got, which was among the best in history in terms of pass defense, coupled with Wilson's performance, simply made it a blowout instead of a closer game.
     
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  25. resnor

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    Counterpoints are invalid without spreadsheets.
     
  26. djphinfan

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    no, there hasn't been one pure on time accurate deep throw.
     
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  27. resnor

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    That's an opinion, dj. I've seen throws that I thought were pre, and they weren't caught, drops/PI coming into play.
     
  28. djphinfan

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    if folks take a post like this as ragging on tannehill or unfairly criticizing him then there is something really wrong going on here..this is a damn football forum for our team to discuss how and what we need to do to win championships, and nothing less.
     
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  29. djphinfan

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    the one he hit on was a broken play to wallace, that was the closet thing, nothing pure and accurate..dont worry were just talking, nothing bad is gonna happen.
     
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  30. Fins Hipster

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    It has nothing to do with Tannehill. It's simply a commentary on how much success in the NFL revolves around QB play. If I'm going to appraise the Dolphins' chances of being successful with some accuracy, I'm going to need to know, first, how closely its quarterback is approximating what's needed to win in the league. I'm not going to fool myself into thinking they can be more successful than they can be, by misleading myself with regard to the play they're getting from the QB position. All that's going to do is equal a let-down for me. I can be hopeful about what Tannehill can become in the future, while still having a firm recognition of what he is in the present.
     
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  31. resnor

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    Uh, I know we're talking...what bad thing would I think would occur? I just think that people (not necessarily you) forget what Tannehill was when he was drafted, and instead want him to be Rodgers/Luck/Brady/etc right now. Tannehill had progressed every year. Instead of constantly pointing out his deficiencies, which are going away game by game, as a way of denigrating Tannehill, it would be nice to see more posts talking about his progression, and the things he is now doing well.
     
  32. cuchulainn

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    I don't know, there are several threads talking about his improved overall progression and play, as well as some of his better stats on the season, but unfortunately some of his best play has come in losses and has been overshadowed by defensive gaffs costing us wins, which somehow gets translated into him not doing enough.

    Once the team starts winning some of the tougher games against better teams and the defense holding these, he will get more kudos.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    I know dude..its why I said what I said.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    noone is freakin denigrating tannehill..jesus..

    I can only speak for myself, I have been in a constant state of analysis as it relates to how can we become a dynasty, for about 30 years, I don't want one..I want sustained dominance..let us figure out and talk about how its possible without hurting peoples feelings..

    this is not a homer site, were better than that.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    I can find many posts that praise ryan when coming out..

    how bout this one that I've said..hes an unprecedented prospect, no'one has ever made the switch he has at the level he was at, at this position..its truly a remarkable story that no'one talks about.
     
  36. resnor

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    DJ, come on. There have been countless posts on here bagging on Tannehill for all the Dolphins problems for the past three seasons. I don't want a homer site, but I also get sick of every new poster here seemingly with an axe to grind about Tannehill. I'm not stupid, Tannehill has things to work on, but he certainly isn't as bad as some on here make him out to be. There are tons of reasons to be excited about our QB.
     
  37. resnor

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    DJ, I'm not saying you're hater. I think you've been pretty balanced on what you've said about him. I could find days worth of posts trashing on Tannehill, including this season with people calling for Matt Moore.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    what it comes down to is this, some folks like to point out whats happening in the moment without projection.

    i don't see to many folks with axes..

    for myself, i always like to critique players with lots of talent.

    for example, thats the 2nd first down aaron rogers has run for today...I watched Brees do it twice today, I watched rivers run three times for critical first downs..Thats three qbs who absolutely understand that element of the game..

    I talk about it because its non existent in ryans game right now and it drives me freakin crazy, should i just say well he's performing well enough I should just be happy and quiet, or should someone like his coach continue to make him understand how important this could be for his team and winning.?

    i don't see anything different than what is going on here, we are just pointing out what needs to happen for him to be the franchise qb we all have dreamt about, where I think it becomes personal is the ones who had ryan becoming a franchise qb from the get, and have stuck to their guns throughout the struggles of the team saying that its all been a part of the natural evolution of this qb considering his lack of experience.
     
  39. djphinfan

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    Im just trying to understand where folks are coming from, i see nothing wrong with good constructive criticism of highly talented individuals, maybe because ryan is very talented some forget to point out the good stuff and become enamored with the weakness part..maybe thats whats going on.
     
  40. rtl1334

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    I think that some feel the need to fight back against what has predominantly been a negative sentiment amongst the fan base and media.
     

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