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Just-to-Talk VI

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Jt0323, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    See, now your jokes don't even work.

    You NEVER had a better record at kickball then me.
     
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  2. ToddPhin

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    1) 2) 3) Yes yes, I have no idea what I'm talking about regarding naturalistic health, and I Bill-and-Ted's totalllly believe everything I read online; Big Pharma is a wholesome bunch operating with each of our best interest in mind; the AMA isn't sleeping w/ Big Pharma; the FDA wrote the book on integrity and also isn't sleeping with Big Pharma.... or Big Food; you clearly know what you're talking about regarding the importance of alkalizing, oxygenating, and detoxifying the blood, establishing an environment for proper cell health, removing waste build-up accumulated throughout the body, the eradication of candidiasis [a toxic fungus] that impairs the health of millions of us, establishing a healthy digestive system, and what measures need be taken to achieve it all; and... wait, I'm forgetting the last thing.... oh yeah, and Peter Pan & Tinker Bell get together at your house for brunch on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

    No, cancer cells can not survive "in almost any environment". This is just wrong. They're not like cockroaches; they're like Homeless Bob. He'll live all over the city if it's in ruins and is unprotected; however if the city is clean, maintained, and protected, he'll have a difficult time finding residence. It's almost impossible for cancer to live, grow, and spread in an oxygen-rich, properly-alkalized environment. Cancer essentially needs 4 things- a reduced oxygen environment, an acidic environment, a food source- glucose [and a few specific proteins], and unhealthy cells or ones that are no longer linked to us.

    The reason cancer is so prevalent in the U.S isn't because of cancer; it's because of this country's toxic, polluted, reduced-oxygen environment paired with what Americans CHOOSE to put into their bodies. Why the hell do you think cancer and disease are almost non existent among Tibetan Monks who commonly live youthful, healthy lives into their 100's and do so without the assistance of nursing homes or hospice? It's because they breathe oxygen levels that humans were INTENDED to breathe when Mother Nature created us. They drink pure, mineral-rich water that's vital to good cell health....you know- since minerals are essential to life and are responsible for carrying out daily functions and processes including DNA stuff. They eat healthy foods that still contain all the originally intended vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients. They avoid all the crap our bodies weren't intended to consume. Americans might not live in the Himalayan mountains, but we can increase our blood oxygen level through supplementation. Americans might not have the monk's great water source, but we can nutrify our filtered, ozonated water by adding drops of bioavailable minerals and trace elements . Americans might not have the monk's great soil and fully nutrient-rich foods, but we can supplement it by drinking an ounce of a natural vitamin-mineral source with other added benefits [like Garden of Life's Code Liquid Vitamin]. Americans can boost their antioxidants with superfruits to protect cells and eliminate free radicals. Americans can supplement with nutritious powdered-greens superfoods to alkalize the blood, further oxygenate it, and detox the body. We can also aid digestive system health by supplementing with probiotics and digestive enzymes. We might not live with Tibetan Monks.... but we can live like Tibetan Monks if we want.

    Doing all the above makes the onset of cancer & disease nearly impossible and the treatment of it significantly more accomplishable.

    No, they won't always find another way if that "other way" isn't present. If you deny cancer its food source and deplete it of an environment necessary to grow/spread, then it becomes significantly more difficult for it to live, grow, spread, or come back. If the cancer returns, it's typically because its host body provides an optimal environment for it TO COME BACK. Again, Americans aren't greatly more prone to cancer than Tibetan Monks simply because they're programmed to be so, yet for some irrational reason you seem to believe cancer is the cause rather than the symptom it typically is. Frequently, the very reason the cancer onsets in the first goddam place [health-related] is the same goddam reason it will return if the underlying cause isn't addressed. If your car runs out of oil and as a result it damages your engine, and you fix the engine but fail to address the oil, it will crack again just the same.

    That's why natural treatment paired with medical treatment IS and will ALWAYS BE the most effective... no ifs, ands, or buts about it.... and anyone who says otherwise either has an agenda, is unintentionally biased, is gullibly susceptible to misinformation [yet you tell me I'm the one who shouldn't believe everything I read on the internet? lulz], or is simply talking out their *** with no idea WTH they're saying.
     
  3. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    You still wear those?
     
  4. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    First of all, I have no shame for moving from my hometown area (South Fl). No one should get crap for moving on and experiencing the world, moving to a new area and reinventing yourself. Like in Good Will Hunting, staying in the place you were brought up could hold you back. Especially if you didn't like the role you had in the place where you grew up in. Look at it this way, all your friends that give you crap for leaving would've done the same eventually. Everyone at some point grows up, find someone to cohabitate with, and sometimes they eventually move away. Some move from family they can't stand, or they don't have much for friends and a support system. Or there's no work around for them.

    I moved away for all three of those reasons. While I'm not that far away from South Fl, I'm far enough away that I don't feel like I'm still near there. I have alot of negative feelings about that area. I miss some of it, but I have nothing left there. Never had a close group of friends in school and the people I still have somewhat of a friendship with have all moved on with their lives. My family is disjointed and everyone is split up doing their thing. I was miserable there, had no social life and the dating pool to choose from ranged from shallow gold diggers to single moms with problems to girls with unrealistic expectations. I moved to Central Florida, the Melbourne area to be exact, and while in many ways its still Florida, I'm alot happier here than I was down there. Whenever I do have to go back "home", I get a bad attitude as soon as I cross into the Palm Beach County line. I become a different person, like I'm on the edge. My gf knows now not to stress me out when we drive down there. I feel more and more like I have less reasons to go down there each time I go there.

    As for my friends from high school, I had them on Facebook but hardly kept up with any of them and they never bother to ask me to hang out with them when I come down to visit. I do have my best friend I still keep up with, we still hang out and do the same things you do with your friends Travis, except substitute drinking for smoking da green. We still have a decent friendship and sometimes we talk about deep stuff but usually Im stuck hearing about his stuff and when I have stuff to talk about usually he ends the convo for whatever reason. We also argue and give each other crap alot more than before. We always talked about moving out and splitting a bachelor pad together but he was never serious. He still lives at home with his parents. I got tired of living in south florida and I made the move finally to get out of there. 2 years later and he's still down there. He still talks about moving up here but does everything else besides acting toward it, like blowing his money on stupid stuff and trying to land a gf there. Now that I live with my gf that I met up here, he's definitely jealous of our relationship and gives me crap for giving up on our bachelor pad idea, but screw him. Life's too short to wait on people to do things you want to do. He gives me crap when we go places and do things, especially if its a nice restaurant or something. He calls me a "wannabe baller" and crap yet he's always done the same things with his gfs. And I do know if he found a girl that wanted to move away from Florida and it led to us not being tight anymore, he'd do it. So I don't care, I did what I had to do. I can also relate to Maynard about people putting you into a certain role, I had the same problem. I didn't have supportive parents and the means to go to college (they spent my prepaid college money) & I went for a couple of years to a community college that I wound up paying for out if my own pocket on minimum wage and wound up dropping out. I was stuck working retail jobs. I found a good paying route sales job but got laid off. So I worked at a supermarket while I weathered the bad economy. I'm back in school now, finally, starting a new life. But I know that some of my friends with degrees look down on me (and my gf whose friends with all college grads) & my family sees me as a loser who was stuck working at a grocery store. Reminds me why I left in the first place and why I hardly go back down there.

    So all in all, screw your friends and live your life the way you want. Reinvent yourself. Only you can make life you want to live.
     
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  5. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Yeah I was kind of a douche at times. I got banned from the PoFo even lol. Sorry for giving you crap about your nuthugger jeans. My problem is I'm a very cynical bastard and it turns people off so I had an issue with accepting people's tastes that aren't my own. I'm still trying to get over that personality trait of mine.
     
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  6. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    If you go over to the laugh and say damn thread, I posted a pic of how to get people to like you.
     
  7. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Is it working for you? I mean, you are the resident Pats fan around here and we haven't kicked your *** to the curb yet...:lol:
     
  8. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    Sure did! I recommend it. Lol

    I've been here too long now. Squatter rights have kicked in.
     
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  9. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    And Tom Brady is in decline and there's not much to talk about in Patsy land these days :lol:

    I think you like to hang around here and revel in our team's ineptitude.
     
  10. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    Na. I just hate most Boston fans as much as you guys do.
     
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  11. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    That's a reasonable explanation.
     
  12. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    He really isn't a Pats fan. Cardinal fan all the way.
     
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  13. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    Jags man. Jags.
     
  14. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Could be worse...could be a Bills fan *cough* bigbry *cough*
     
  15. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    Ive had a lot of fun being a Bills Fan. So I got that going for me.
     
  16. Ohio Fanatic

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    well, you're clearly still ranting because I clearly stated that I also believe that natural and medical treatment is the way to go. the one thing we are clearly disagreeing on is your bolded statement. The reasons that cause cancer are numerous and many of them are likely environmental. that part I agree on and have said as much. The reason cancer returns is where you are wrong and you clearly have only a basic understanding of the science behind it based on what you've read on the internet. while the microenvironment around the tumor can slow down growth, it's not the reason why it comes back. It has much more to do with a flaw in the biochemical signaling pathways. if you change the tumor's ability to thrive under one set of conditions, it has multiple ways to upregulate other signaling pathways to take advantage of the changing environment. comparing it to a car engine is beyond too simplistic and myopic. one of us understands the many underlying causes of cancer. one of us has the holistic viewpoint - which isn't wrong, it's just simplistic. natural treatment is important for reduces the chances of cancererous cells forming, but it's only a tool to be added to the treatment.

    I'm done arguing on this. this is too similar to the same argument we had a few years ago and we're not going to get anywhere.
     
  17. GridIronKing34

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    Everyone making jokes then there's Todd doing his tl;dr arguments. Classic.
     
  18. McLovin

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    Shut up todd
     
  19. ToddPhin

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    done fixeded it.
     
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  20. MikeHoncho

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    Just Jaggin' it out there in Jaggsonville.
     
  21. Jt0323

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    So my moms tumors grew but are not spreading. Doctor says 50-50 she'll go in remission. Starting new chemo next week
     
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  22. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    praying for you and moms bro!
     
  23. Fin D

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    So some of you know my dad became paralyzed (due to doctor error) a few years ago and I was his primary caregiver for about 3 years. Well, he had gotten to the point where he took care and lived by himself. He could transfer in and out of bed, wash, dress and feed himself. In fact, he was in the process to get his driver's license and finally taste real independence for the first time since this all happened.

    Last Sunday (Green Bay game), he called 911 with severe stomach pain. They took him to the hospital. He called me the next morning and I went there, Monday. They ran some tests and didn't know why he had the pain, but he was feeling better. They had one more test to run, but it was late that day so they were gonna do it the next day. All routine.

    Around 1:00 that night, he flipped the **** out and they took him to ICU. He went delirious and was yelling and screaming and swinging completely out of his mind. It took until 10:00 the next morning before they called me (which is not good at all). I get there and it was pretty bad. I spent hours helping restrain my dad while he was screaming and losing his mind. We had no answers that day.

    Since then, his pain has stopped but the gut issue has been unresolved. He has also been sedate but still delusional and pretty much nowhere near reality. Every day since that Tuesday of last week, every new doctor that comes by has contradicted the doctor before them about not only the gut issue but also the delirium causes. They were being conservative in their testing because of his paralysis and being a few months shy of 70.

    During that time, he's been subjected to numerous tests that haven't given any clearer picture. Now, I've been there every day all day since that Monday (they kick visitors out of ICU at 6:00 pm). The thing about quad and paraplegics, is that even though they loose the loss of limbs, they become HYPER sensitive to touch, texture, temperature etc. For example, a simple wrinkle in a bed sheet can feel like a razor blade after a couple of hours. So for 9 days my dad has been in serious discomfort. There's a special hell watching your dad's uncharacteristic insanity be interrupted with moments of clarity where he's begging you to help him because he feels so horrible.

    Some other things that have happened during these past 9 days:

    - They ordered the wrong test and they didn't catch it till right before then had to schedule the correct test that we waited around for until 6 but he still didn't get it until well after. I was told to go home and the nurse would call me with the results. Nurse didn't call, so when I called I was told a doctor had to give the results and the nurse wasn't allowed to.

    - They ordered test that was almost identical to another test he was already given both results were inconclusive.

    - He was about to be taken to another test, when the nurse asked if he was able to stand for a couple of hours during the test (this was on day 8).

    Finally, today, the doctors got off their asses and decided to do some exploratory surgery. It was scheduled for afternoon. He didn't get brought down until 6:45 this evening. We walked down with the surgical team taking him to the OR. They told me the surgeon would come out to talk to me after it was over (which could be anywhere from 1-4 hours) and to wait in the waiting room and pick up the phone there if it rings, because it will be them with updates. The phone rings once around 7:30 and we're told all is well and that they've started.

    11:30 pm rolls around and I haven't heard anything form anyone. Mind you, my wife and I are not only the only people there waiting on my dad we were the only people left in the waiting room since about 9:30 pm (also we had been there today since about 10:00 this morning). We were worried since it was taking the max amount of time. I finally pick up the phone and dial into the surgical extension. Turns out he had been done with surgery and was back in his room for over two hours!!!!!!!!!!!

    We were then told the surgeon had come out and spoke to the family and we left. Either the surgeon is lying or he told someone my dad's medical stuff and they didn't have the pin number. To make matters even worse, by the time we found out, all the doctors were gone for the day so we haven't given the results of my dad's surgery. All I know right now is that he's alive and according to the nurse "they removed something".
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    The level of haphazardness in hospitals is atrocious. They've "done" their jobs for so long that they forget what it's like to be a train wreck on the other end waiting for results and trying to cope with ill loved ones. Besides, far too many of these people now do it for the money rather than a genuine desire to help others, and half of them couldn't care less what you're going through or what their patients are dealing with. Nurse's will f*** around on facebook for 10 minutes while you're in major pain and in need of relief. It's pathetic really.


    My recommendation: get your dad a set of bamboo sheets from Tuesday Morning, whatever size fits his bed at home.... and tuck it around his bed in the hospital. They're antimicrobial and they're soft as hell. He won't notice a wrinkle in them.
     
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  25. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    :( that's why I had to change my name recently. :couch:
     
  26. SICK

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    That is ****ing deplorable bro. Seriously.

    It all flashes me back to one of the more horrible times in my life. My grandmother was complaining about some pain, but nothing too drastic. So my uncle brings her to Palms West Hospital (**** those ****s)....in Royal Palm / Wellington....whatever.....she sits in the ****ing ER, in a hallway, in a gown, on a gurney for 5 ****ing hours...

    We are all standing in this ****ing cold, busy hallway as sick kids, soccer players with broken legs, little girls with blisters and boo boos are ushered in and out of these temporary rooms, as my poor grandmother is laying there with no one checking on her, no one getting a diagnosis......finally the pain is getting REALLY bad....so they FINALLY take her to the back....that's where they discovered holes in her stomach which has had bile secreting into her organs and other stuff (not good)....she got out of surgery.....she stays in a coma in ICU.....and all I remember is being 16.....holding her hand a few days later....as they pulled the plug......

    I swear to whatever you wanna believe upstairs.....that in her coma she heard me tell her I loved her.....tears built up in her eye ducts with all these machines around her. She was on medicade, in Wellington Florida....a poor older women....so they didn't take the time for her...and I believe it ended up killing her. Last words she told me and my dad and my uncle was that she was scared.....she looked scared. It was terrible.

    And all I can remember is her in a hallway for 5 hours, until they cared enough to see her. Makes me sick.

    I hope this all ends well for you, Fin. But **** doctors and hospitals sometimes....they forget that even though this is "every day" for them, its a life event for people on the other side.
     
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  27. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Palms West is/was a dump. Felt so dirty for a hospital. Unfortunately, Wellington General by the mall isn't much better.

    Sorry you had to go through all that man. I remember taking my grandmother who had cancer pains to a hospital in Broward, and they had us sit in the waiting room for 4 hours before they even looked at her. All she needed was something for her pain, to help make her last few days enjoyable. I wished Medical Marijuana was legal in Florida back then, would've been a lot more accessible than getting something from the hospital.
     
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  28. SICK

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    My son was born in Wellington Regional....Palms West made WR look like a ****ing palace.
     
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  29. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    It is night and day by far Id agree. But hospitals in this country suck all over with a few exceptions. Unless you got $$$ and a fancy health insurance plan.
     
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  30. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    What a ****ing horror story, man. Hope all works out.

    Thankfully, I've never had anything but good experiences with my medical care. My wife has issues with at least one of the hospitals we've gone to with our kids, but I haven't been really dissatisfied... Might have something to do with growing up with military hospitals in my formative years...
     
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  31. unluckyluciano

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    that's crazy man. You should formally complain or something. That's a bunch of bull****. If worse comes to worse consult a lawyer.
     
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  32. Rocky Raccoon

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    Sorry to hear Finny. The important thing is that your dad is ok. Worry about the other BS later.

    Good luck.
     
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    I don't think I have either, but I found the Oschner in Baton Rouge to be perfectly fine for both surgery and follow ups/consultations.
     
  34. Fin D

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    So after getting home a little after midnight and not being able to fall asleep until about 2:00 am thanks to equal parts worry and boiling rage, I got up at 5 am and called the nurse to inform her I'd be there in an hour and I was going to wait in his room until I saw a doctor. She said, I can't do that because it was close to shift change and the next nurse would have to ok it. I told her that when I got there it would take the police to stop me from going into his room.

    I was allowed in.

    It wasn't until 8 am that I saw a doctor this morning. Great news surgery was successful and they removed some necrotic bowel. He had color in his skin and was completely sane. This was the only stuff that truly mattered.

    However, the manager and director of the OR have both been fawning over me earlier are literally running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to get to the bottom of this and apologizing to me and my dad. I shockingly kept my **** together enough to explain I didn't want anyone fired I just want this hospital to use this as a teaching moment and solve their ridiculous communication issues so no one else goes through this BS.
     
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  35. SICK

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    .........and 1 million dollars. And free medicinal marijuana.
     
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  36. Rocky Raccoon

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    Glad to hear your dad is doing better Tony.

    Also much respect for the way you handled the situation. So many people are quick to call for people to lose their jobs, not realizing that A. They have to bills to pay too and B. People make mistakes.

    Kudos.
     
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  37. cuchulainn

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    Congrats, glad it worked out for you and hopefully your Dad as well. It sounds like they are trying to cover something up, whether incompetence or malpractice. At a minimum, if they are being contrite and that involved at a management level, hit them up for reduced fees/charges as half the BS on a hospital bill is total BS.
     
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  38. Stitches

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    I definitely advise against taking jobs solely because of money (jobs that aren't short term at least). To me there has to be another reason, because even money only makes jobs tolerable to a point, it doesn't make them enjoyable. Additionally, the base salary (and commission) shouldn't be the only things to consider when looking at money, you have to consider benefits as well (Pension, 401k, medical benefits, life insurance, etc).

    If you do decide to interview though, good luck.
     
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  39. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Sometimes the more you make, the more likely you'll get laid off when the company decides to downsize or "restructure".
     
  40. SICK

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    Yeah, I decided against the insurance job right now due to that. The money is good, but there was NOTHING else that made me want to make the leap. I do however have a resume submitted to my old bank for a branch manager job in a fantastic location. So hopefully that works out. They have a publix in their parking lot :shifty:
     

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