It says he's horny and loves sex with willing hotties. We start making that a crime then watch the league start emptying of good players. You're willing to forgive DGB for essentially breaking into a girls apartment and assaulting two women who weren't fighting back but you're driving implications about a man trying to have a threeway? Come on, man. I agree with this. If a team decides that shouting a dirty meme in college is worth not drafting a guy, so be it. But I'd personally be a little more worried about the decision-making of the team that makes that decision than the decision-making of the draft prospect. That's fair. Maybe he does need to go through something bad to grow up. But also maybe he doesn't. Not everyone needs that. Many kids just grow up. I don't want to give the impression I'm not concerned with his immature decision-making off the field. I think some of the particulars are being overblown so that people can form the nebulous, impressive-SEEMING dark cloud arguments, whereas an examination of the actual particulars and evidence is more appropriate. I just think as I've always thought, that you have to be careful when you're making football decisions based on non-football stuff, and the more talented the guy looks from a football sense the more careful you've got to be. There are bright lines not to be crossed, and then there's sh-t that quite frankly doesn't matter much in the long run. If I felt the dude really raped someone for example, as I do with Ben Roethlisberger, then I'd be right there with you.
Still think he stays another year at FSu, have a clean 2015 and head into 2016 as one of the top quarterbacks. Jimbo is playing this smart he treats Jameis like a lost immature child which makes Jameis look bad, and hurts jameis stock in my opinion. But helps fsu ad they will continue to win as long as he stays
I believe his family keeps insisting Jameis stays in school long enough to get his degree. What I think Jimbo Fisher is doing that is helping his cause is not being anywhere from standoffish to outright antagonistic with Jameis, which would probably drive a wedge between them and increase Jameis' likelihood of leaving early. He's being very hands on and taking turns being stern and kind. Making a big show of apology to Jameis for the miscommunication that led to his pads and helmet being put out for him to wear in his locker for the Clemson game is a good example.
Man, I didn't know when I was calling him out last year during the year and especially before the title game that it would come to fruition like this..I'm not tooting here I promise here but I felt he was a punk based on some things I was observing and sure enough, he's a real douchebag. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but there is a scene that he and fisher are having on the field before the Clemson game, the one he wasn't supposed to dress for and did, fisher was telling him what's up, and the disrespect of authority was evident, he wasn't having anything fisher was giving..and he didn't care if cameras were on him. I think he loves the team concept, I don't think he's selfish in that way, I don't think he wants the spotlight to himself so those are some positive redemption qualities, so it will be interesting to see how he deals and is accepted at the next level, once he has the security of a pro locker room, he might get humbled and change..
People who count out Winston early every game he starts slow should have stopped after the NC State game. Really the National Championship Game was evidence enough and the game against MIA earlier was the same way. He may be a little ****, but that's no reason to knock his game.
On the field Winston is the best QB in college football. Off the field you can make all the judgements and conclusions you want…but on the field he's the goods. He reads defenses like a 10 year vet
Everett Golson is so inconsistent in the way he reads the field and makes decisions. He and Winston just traded pressured stinkers.
Sigh. In 2013 I felt the same way midway through the second quarter MIA v. FSU. I was elated. Then I got Winston'd.
Are we really gonna play that game where one bad throw suddenly proves a guy has been a fraud the whole time and all y'all saying nice things about him must feel like idiots? Come on. Pay attention to the game. Snap for snap this dude's decision making shows a keen understanding of how to hurt the defense at its weakest point. And he's shown he can execute brilliantly. Everyone makes a dumb decision under a ton of pressure every now and then.
When you watch him play and how he makes his reads and goes through his progressions, I don't think its any surprise when you hear people talk about him having the football IQ on par with the likes of Luck and Manning coming out of school.
haha Jimbo basically told him to shut the **** up and be humble at the end with all the cameras around. Kid can play, but he better hope he always has someone to keep him in check.
Jimbo didn't want him hopping up in the stands saying he F'd ND right in the.. Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk
Jimbo basically could've just told him "Jameis I know you're excited and you earned this, but always remember: don't act the fool." Jameis is 20 years old. Can't even have a beer to celebrate yet.
Jamies has always come across as humble and usually doesn't say or do anything stupid in public. So publicly he comes across as very mature. Privately though, I think he has some serious maturity issues he needs to work on. Time to grow up kid. Enjoy college life but realize that if you want to be the best at what you do, the public is going to be watching you and analyzing everything you do. I hope he realizes that and doesn't do anything else stupid. And I really hope, as a Noles fan, that I'm not rooting for a rapist every Saturday.
I'm two years older than Winston. Forgive me if I'm less than worried about a 20 year old doing dumb ****.
Beating a nobody. Also fumbled again. I'll take Jameis and his 2nd half over anything. Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk
Well, looks like Florida State administration gets their wish. They successfully chased Jameis Winston out of college. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...fl-draft-following-this-season-162645808.html Jason La Canfora saying that Jameis had been intending to stay in school but that the administration has hounded him to such a degree he just wants to move on. It's noted that Jameis does not feel this way about Jimbo Fisher at all, or a couple of people in the athletics department. I do agree that they've been engaging in some irregular stuff. The whole investigation about the meme shouting was ludicrous. He should never have faced suspension for that, nor should that suspension have been bumped up to a full game as a result of them feeling he wasn't perfect in his cooperation with that investigation which shouldn't have happened in the first place. The more I hear about this special hearing they want to conduct with him, the more it seems like a kangaroo court. I guess it is going to be placed in the hands of third party retired judges instead of the usual way, and I guess Jameis is not allowed to have a lawyer present or something like that? I dunno, haven't read up on it enough. Sorry Jimbo. Your bosses ****ed things up for you. You could've had a shot at three straight championships.
Genuine question: If you had millions of dollars on the line, knew your potential employers would be scrutinizing everything you do, and knew you were the face of a big time program and as such were expected to hold yourself to a higher standard, would you be running around doing an excessive amount of dumb **** on a yearly basis? WADR, you can't judge Winston based on what's typical for a 20 year old.... because he's not a typical 20 year old. He's a 1st-round-caliber athlete who is essentially majoring in professional football at a top tier program. The closest thing to that in this country is being a 4.0 med student at Harvard headed for a career in neurosurgery who would need to work till he's 100 years old to earn half of what Winston could make by 32. Do you think those 20 year olds run around doing dumb ****? Winston is on a college scholarship. Do you think other 20 year olds getting their education completely paid for run around doing dumb ****? Aren't 20 year olds on full scholarships held to a higher standard? If you had a full academic scholarship to a great school, would you be doing dumb s*** and risk having it pulled? He's 20, not 13. If he can't behave properly at 20 when he KNOWS he's held to a higher standard, it's because he either doesn't want to or doesn't know how, neither of which are acceptable.
Brain isn't fully developed at 19 or 20 years old. That's just a fact. You can talk about all this responsibility and stuff like that but if anything putting all that weight on the man's shoulders makes it seem impressive that he's not cracking or folding under the pressure of all that. A lot of people would. The NFL's job isn't to decide whether he should be punished for this BS thing or that. The NFL's job is to figure out how good of a football asset he is. And to that end, it's absolutely relevant that he was only 19 years old when he did a bunch of this dumb sh-t. It's absolutely relevant that his brain isn't even developed at that age and the dumb sh-t you do at 19 years old isn't necessarily the dumb sh-t you do as a 24 year old. It's relevant because your job isn't to figure out some mamby pamby question of "fairness" or "higher standards", your job is to figure out whether a guy has potential as a football asset or not.
When it comes to these sort of character calls I think everything you do, everything you say, everything you argue has to follow into the question of how valuable a football asset a guy is. If it's not immediately clear how this affects the bare, simplistic question of what this has to do with his value as a football asset, then you're wasting your own time and clouding what could otherwise be a good judgment (and in personnel, much like in Vegas, you can't waste good judgments because your margins are so slim to begin with). So here are the relevant questions with Jameis Winston: 1. Do these off-field judgments have a history of and/or likelihood for affecting his on-field performance? 2. Do these off-field judgments have a history of and/or likelihood for affecting his preparation, coachability, training and practice? 3. Does he have a history of or predilection toward substance abuse, which may run him afoul of the NFL's substance abuse policies? 4. Will his teammates like him or dislike him? Does he have a history of turning off teammates? 5. Does he for some unique reason stand a significantly higher than normal chance of ending up in jail? I think everything we talk about when we're going through a player's character has to boil down to these things. We can dress up our arguments, talk in circles, muck things up with stuff like "deserve" and "responsibility", etc...but we're just wasting our time if we don't make it clear how whatever we're talking about affects the answer to one of those questions. In that way, I thought it was easy to determine that Johnny Manziel was a serious risk. Not only did his outrageous partying habits and history of substance abuse increase his risk of running afoul of NFL policies, it actually increases his risk of jail time. The rumors of his poor work ethic were loud and clear, and you could see them in action on his tape. His attitude about everything made me question how he would handle NFL type adversity, especially a quarterback competition or controversy like he has in Cleveland right now, how he would handle non-success and who he would blame. He had a history of poor coachability. The much, much, much tougher call in this respect IMO was Robert Griffin. That's because it wasn't immediately clear why his character and personality could actually threaten his value as a football asset. But there were signs of it, and in the end I felt everything with him was inextricably linked between his odd character and tendencies toward selfish behavior, his inability/unwillingness to reduce or soften the hits he takes on the field, and his inabiity to really read the field and conduct an offense from inside the pocket. You couldn't separate those three things, they all came together to form some unpalatable possibilities that we're seeing play out right now. The next shoe that could drop with him would be an early retirement from the game...him being done with the game before the game is done with him.
And I'm going to toot my own horn on Robert Griffin, too. Even if he turns out OK, we're three years into his career and I'm not sure he was worth more than a 2nd round pick relative to what Washington will get out of him in his rookie contract. And a 2nd round pick is what I called him, coming out. For some reason nowadays it seems like everyone loved Russell Wilson coming out, even though I know that wasn't really true. Everyone knew he was going to be awesome (again, not true but there's a lot of make-believe going on out there). But you don't hear a lot of people saying I knew Washington would regret trading up for RG3 or I knew RG3 was overrated. First off I think that's because there's still an anticipation that RG3 could turn it around, and maybe he will I don't know. Second, it's because there just were not that many people out there flying the message that we all need to pump our brakes on RG3. That's how prevalent the hysteria was on him. Hell I think he even had KB21 convinced.
Speaking of Russell Wilson and the whole phenomenon of guys suddenly acting like they were always fans, I remember a guy who is very prominent at B/R as in one of their national lead columnists/writers talking to me during Shrine Week and he had some real doozies. He asked me to weigh in on a debate he was having with another national figure wherein he asked me if I agreed with him that if you just completely blocked our Collin Klein's body and focused purely on the ball as it's thrown in the air, that it's just as good a ball as....oh now I forget who but it doesn't really matter. His point was that Klein may have an awkward delivery but that he spins the ball as well as anyone and has as good velocity as anyone. I looked at him like he had three heads. Later I saw the same guy say that Russell Wilson and Kellen Moore are essentially the same player. Again I looked at him like he had three heads. Thing is if you really go back there were a lot of dudes saying that sort of sh-t about Russell Wilson, right up to the end.
You think Jimbo would take the Oakland job? Side thought, if Oakland is picking #1 overall with Winston there, does Harbaugh take the job?
It's funny that, on the field, Winston's above-the-shoulders understanding of the game is extremely sharp. From an info-processing and decision-making standpoint, he's much closer to Andrew Luck than people want to admit.
If Jimbo is leaving to go anywhere it's for LSU if Miles leaves. He's already told some people thats the only way he leaves.
I'm not sure Jim Harbaugh would honestly like the idea of having a #1 overall QB, based on what I've seen. I think he likes keeping guys on their toes, competing, etc.
I think he's more talented than Luck. There are some throws i would like Winston to clean up but he's young enough to grow out of it. As for Oakland if they get Harbaugh then CArr is definitely his guy. They will draft talent. Carr has been impressing lately, just needs the right coach. My guess is Winston ends up in the Jets throwing to Amaro, Percy and Decker... And that scares the fk out of me. Ny media is much tougher than Tallahassee but Winston has shown he can brush off any criticism and still be on top of his game.
