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The Matt Moore Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. Dolfan330

    Dolfan330 My wein is so chaffed...

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    I just rewatched the game and while Tanne did't have a great game, he was not the main reason we lost. Yes, he had about 5 badly thrown balls. 2 of which could have gone for TDs. But he also suffered from his receivers dropping great passes as well. Even if Moore can hit on one of those passes we still lose by 2 scores.

    Now, if ST didn't royally **** the bed the game, they could have won. If the Watkin's TD was reversed (and it should have!) they could have won the game. If Philbin had at least 1 working ball and not wasted a golden opportunity by running out the clock, they could have won the game. If our best RB wasn't knocked out of the game, they could have won the game.

    Overall, it was a TEAM loss. Moore is not talented enough to will this team to a win by himself.
     
  2. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    this cannot be overstated. That kick return killed us. Our offense was moving, momentum was finally shifting and bam.
     
  3. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No doubt but as a team we need to grow up and be consistent. RT isn't manning or Brady elite and may never be. But canbe Matt Ryan. Can be Flacco, can be roethlisberger. Can also be Phillip Rivers.

    I take RT over RG III based on each play so far. Teams that build consistency are ones that don't panic. RT fees like he knows the expectations and is pressing and not playing, I want to see whole season and evaluate
     
  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Its not about Tannehill losing the game. Its the fact that in year three he looks terrible and in his last four games has been fairly abysmal.
     
  5. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Problem is those second tier guys are far ahead of Ryan at the moment. When your QB is struggling into the 4th quarter to top 200 yards week in and out its an issue.

    If he was Phillip Rivers we'd be bound for a divisional playoff game at least.

    I'm not trying to say he won't improve. I've been a huge defender of his game and progress. It just looks bad through two games this year and terrifying combined with the two games to end last season.
     
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  6. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Matt Moore is an interception waiting to happen. How many times has he come in to a game led a great drive down the field only to throw a stupid pick? I do believe that if Thill doesn't improve by mid season they should make the move. Just have no idea what Ryans mental block is all about. He has the skills but come game time he turns into a veg head. Just dont understand it. Maybe he needs one of those sports psychologists or something.
     
  7. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    3 of those 4 games were against the bills and the jets. Arguably top 5 defenses. And division rivals who know us best, no less.

    I just....lets give him a few more games before the negative turn? Very few qbs look good against those defenses...

    Especially with our oline against those dlines last year
     
  8. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Against the Patriots a few years ago, no?
     
  9. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Imo too many people try to judge RT. Based on perfection. Can't imo. We annoit Brady as all time and he is but he misses passes, makes bad throws. I also don't agree RT has been abysmal, he hadn't been great the last 2 but hasn't been abysmal imo.
     
  10. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Yessir, and it cost that guy his job. I'm not against this one costing rizzi his
     
  11. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Really? So Matt Ryan impressed you yesterday? How bout in playoffs? How bout when Julio Jones went down,?

    Roeth looked bad Thursday and the last couple years has been good not great

    Rivers has more ups and downs than a roller coaster
     
  12. pmj

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    For the first two games of this year, I can't agree with those descriptions. It's like you guys act like he looks like John Beck or Cleo Lemon out there... Not having perfect ball placement does not make someone abysmal.
     
  13. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    How can people say "we know what we have in matt moore...he shouldn't start", but then turn around and defend Tannehill saying "he's still learning"????

    Tannehill has 9 more career starts than Moore. If we know what we have in Matt Moore, shouldn't we know what we have in Tannehill too?

    Stat-wise (passer rating), Moore is the better QB. If you think Moore isn't the future, what does that say about Tannehill?
     
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  14. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Check out the soap box, top three threads.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    The fact that Tannehill has more starts shows how not ready to start Moore is.
     
  16. ElNino

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    Personally I think it's time to move on from Lamar Miller. Dude can't catch or run that well. Hell, i'd even prefer Thomas back, at least he caught balls and ran hard.

    I'm willing to give Tanny a few more games before i break out my pitchfork, but i'm worried about the future with him right now. we'll see in a few more games.
     
  17. Vertical Limit

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    Lol.. what's sad about this fan base is that we place the bar so low on what abysmal is because we've had the likes of Cleo Lemon and John Beck as starting quarterbacks before.

    I'm not ready to give up on Tannehill yet, but he's been borderline average to below average with a few flashes so far in his career.

    Tannehill has always been a better quarterback when he has a strong running game, if we give him another year, we'll have to draft an Eddie Lacy type to compliment him. If Melvin Gordon or Gurley is there when we draft, I think it's a no brainer, though we need a stud linebacker just as bad..
     
  18. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Wtf? Hes had plenty of success here and it didn't come due to our strong running game. We've never had that.
     
  19. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    I guess miami hasn't fumbled enough or thrown enough pick 6's so we need matt moore and DT? logical fanbase we have.
     
  20. Vertical Limit

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    The guy has a 79 QB rating, 39 TD's to 32 INT's, has yet to record a winning season above .500, has yet to reach the playoffs, every other quarterback in year 3 worth a damn has been to the playoffs. Hell they've made it to the playoffs as rookies.

    I've seen games last year where we established the running game first and Tannehill looked 10 times better just managing the game. If we're going to put it on his hands to win us a game, I don't think we'll ever succeed that way. He's not that type of quarterback.
     
  21. Da 'Fins

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    I do think a few more games are in order. See what it looks like in the Bye week.

    But, the reality is - while, indeed, special teams were bad, - he had great chances to change the game. The missed 3rd down throw to Gibson (that likely would have ended in a TD if not - then at least a first and goal inside the 5), was terrible. Next thing, we're down 16-3.

    The QB has the most opportunity to change the momentum of a game - positively or negatively (of course, DLs that get to the QB are right there in the mix). RT has the ball in his hands play after play. He has to be able to hit open receivers. Forget STs. Forget receiver drops (that's not to excuse those because they have to be held accountable in their own right). Ultimately, if RT has plays that can be made, he has to make them. He can't afford to miss so many. He's not only missing on the deep ball - now he's showing signs of inaccuracy (lack of confidence?) on short and mid-range passes.

    Very frustrating.
     
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  22. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Beck and Lemon were more accurate....don't bad mouth them like that while trying to make excuses for Tannehill. Horrible quarterbacks, yes, but definitely more accurate.
     
  23. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    your hyperbole is showing
     
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  24. bigballa2102

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    Been saying this for over a year, tannehill has alotta skill but chooses not to use it, he's very inaccurate and chooses to throw always to the WR the play was designed for he has no vision and is scared to push the ball down the field. I'm tired of people blaming the line, he had more than 3-4 seconds in every sack he took he holds the ball refuses to step up in the pocket or scramble. The line is avg yes but def good enough to get the job done. Its time to start winning and stop getting smacked by the bills in the face. I blame tannehill and Philbin with 2 min to go on the clock at the end of half you don't try and make the game a one score game with three timeouts knowing your getting the ball back at half. very big rookie mistake. Only reason tannehill stayed off the radar week one was because Moreno had 134 yards, you add a 100 yard rusher your qb job is way easier to handle....If tannehill doesn't do something in the next 2 weeks its time to move on. Maybe benching him will get that deer in the headlights look out of his head.
     
  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You can't really blame Tannehill for a couple of those sacks, when Buffalo is rushing four guys, and dropping 7 into coverage. Is it Tannehill's fault that the oline, 5 guys, can't block 4 guys long enough for a receiver to get open? If Tannehill had thrown some questionable balls into coverage, and been picked, you guys would be harping on Tannehill's poor decision making. When he doesn't force a throw, and gets sacked, you question his pocket presence. It's ludicrous. You've created a Catch 22, and Tannehill can never come out on top. If teams can rush four, and get to the QB, then we have issues just as bad as last year.
     
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  26. BigNastyDB13

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    Glad to see I wasn't the only one who noticed tannehill looked like a deer in headlights. I guess there's always going to be fans out there blaming the oline or the running game but tannehill has more weapons and a better oline than a lot of qbs. Now the new system is an excuse. This is like henne 2.0..strong arm, inconsistent decision making, average at best accuracy, throwing to a receiver instead of leading a wr. Both guys excelled at routes that didn't require anticipation or leading a wr, like the comeback route that was the staple of the Sherman offense. To be fair, I think Tannehill has more talent than henne but coming out of Texas A&M I never liked tannehill. I live in Oklahoma so I'm exposed to a lot of big 12 football and from the first time I seen tannehill I thought his accuracy was too poor to be a nfl starting QB. His best weapon to me back then was his legs, which he rarely uses and oddly enough his accuracy is actually better than I thought it'd be.
     
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  27. BigNastyDB13

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    Matt Moore isn't the answer at QB but I have no doubt this offense would score more points with Moore. He will turn the ball over but he will do so by pushing the ball downfield. He will give his receivers a chance to make a play for him like he did Marshall. Wallace would be a huge weapon with Moore and I think Clay would be more productive as well. He'd bring some passion and emotion to the offense. It's not time to pull the plug yet but I honestly can't see this team scoring any less with Moore. 3 years have proven so far that tannehill will lead his team to 17-20 PPG. The only way we score more than 20 is if our defense and/or special teams get us great field position.
     
  28. brandon27

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    While I don't necessarilly disagree... I question his pocket presence because even when he has time to stand there in the pocket, he literally just stands there. If nobody is open and the pocket is collapsing around you etiher because someone got beat on the OL, or because you've had plenty of time to make a decision and throw and guys just can't hold blocks that long, then you need to make a decision. Check it down to a back, or... here's a great idea... use your legs and move. Extend the play, or scramble, you can't just stand there and take a sack. On a couple of those sacks where he had plenty of time, he had lanes to escape and take off and run, or at least buy more time instead he just stood there and went down.

    I remember so many of Wallace's big plays in Pittsburg were on plays where the play broke down and Ben took off and Wallace seemed to always shake free down field. Guys tend to slip coverage after the QB starts to run, defenders commit to the QB running which shakes guys free, WR's are then unpredictable to the DB's, they shake open. Give yourself, and your team a chance to make a play, dont just take the negative play every time.
     
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  29. bigballa2102

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    there was a reason he was a receiver prior to becoming the starting qb at A&M, and the college game does not transform to show talents for the nfl except certain programs IE south Carolina mich st........Tebow enough said..
     
  30. bigballa2102

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    there was a reason he was a receiver prior to becoming the starting qb at A&M, and the college game does not transform to show talents for the nfl except certain programs IE south Carolina mich st........Tebow enough said..
     
  31. bigballa2102

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    isn't the object of football to score more points than the other team? the defense can only stop an offense so may times with little rest holding the bills to three g was huge for the phins and tanny n Philbin just pissed down there leg and always thinks the D will bail them out. I give tanny 2-3 more starts and if he cant put up numbers to win then let moore. Yes moore will turn the ball over but I can accept a deep ball int over a 10 yard in route that has been ran 26 times already in a game INT its pathetic. If anyone watches a replay of the game watch the sideline and watch how into the game moore is hes running down the sidelines calling out stuff to the offense etc. and tannehill walks over to the sideline like a zombie.
     
  32. bigballa2102

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    your job as a qb is to make everything happen, whether it be audibles extending the play etc, you don't want to do it then don't have the job
     
  33. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I honestly cannot believe I just read that.
     
  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Neither one was more accurate. Cleo Lemon, career comp pct of 55.7. John Beck, career comp pct of 58.6. Ryan Tannehill, career comp pct of 59.5. How does that add up to Lemon and Beck being "definitely more accurate" ?
     
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  35. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    You're being hysterical. Ryan is easily better than everyone since Dan, save for Penny and maybe Fiedler.
     
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  36. emocomputerjock

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    They're all on the same poop smear, with some being in the thicker and stinkier portion than others.
     
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  37. 77FinFan

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    I know I didn't appreciate how jacked the Bills were for this game. New owner and the Jim Kelly thing were really huge. The fans were totally into it as well. It really was a buzz saw.
     
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  38. Phinsoverpats

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    **** matt moore he's the reason why we don't have andrew luck right now
     
  39. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    PFF has Tannehill ranked as their 2nd best QB through two weeks
     
  40. 77FinFan

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    How is that possible?
     

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