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Philbin>Belichick

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phins_Fan_87, Sep 7, 2014.

  1. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    None of those are anything more than an opinion.
     
  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    When that happens, then he'll be a backup. It hasn't yet. He's been a starter when healthy for his entire 7 years in the league.
     
  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Since part of his contract says he is the one to set his staff, I'm willing to give him credit, good or bad, for hirings and firings. Unless someone can present definite proof that others in the organization suggested he hire Lazor, Benton, Duffner, and Bicknell, and he just rubber stamped it, which I very seriously doubt.
    We heard all kinds of nonsense around here when he hired Duffner, about how Duff was just Philbin's buddy from his Green Bay days and that's why he got hired. Now, after we win a game against one of the best offenses in the AFC with backup LBs, some of the same folks who were negative about Duff being hired are intimating that hey, ya know, he could be a decent coach after all.
     
  4. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    I've always heard very good things about Duffner as a LB coach. I don't know where the "He is Philbin's boy" narrative came from, because he is very well regarded as a position coach?
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yeah, I see you signed up here in late 2007 when this forum was first started, but I don't remember your posts before the past few days. Did you change your user name or avatar, or something?
     
  6. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Either way, for this game it worked. If that be the case, fine...if it was Philbin who initiated the adjustments or if it was Philbin who allowed his coaches to do their job, it worked. The hope is that this is the beginning of good things to come and not an anomaly...
     
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  7. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Pfffff

    Know what I think?

    2013 doesnt exist anymore. What I saw Sunday was a team beat the piss out of the Patriots. I saw them out coach the Pats.

    Far as Im concerned, right now, at this point, Philbin is our head coach for a long time. Im not seeing the same Joe Philbin. Now, everyone can look back at 2013 and focus on the past, but we got a game on Sunday, and I feel pretty damned good about the direction of our team, and the coaching.
     
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  8. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Amen to that my brother. Amen to that.

    Guy's lets just let the season play out. The good thing about this is, its going to be pretty black and white. If last Sunday's game was an omen of things to come...we got our HC. If its not...Ross WILL rebuild the organization. Those around him have said clearly...he wants a winner. I think we got the right mix of coaches and front office right now. I think Philbin and Hickey are working well together. Lets just feel good we see potential....and hope we see more of the same potential on Sunday.
     
  9. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    The system is good, and Philbin is the man. He needs to stay for years regardless of results this year. We are in a stage where we are developing consistency, improving roster and play, while evaluating, getting everyone comfortable, playing fast and right, tweaking it from year to year to get better. Mistakes will happen. Result this year is not important. This is a winning system, everyone can see it and enjoy it, so just calm down and let it develop.
    RT may not be the Qb next year, or in 2 years, but the system must stay and that is the most important thing.
     
  10. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    I think Philbin is taking a moneyball approach to building the team and if you're a numbers type you'll probably appreciate somebody like that. This is speculation but I think his golden rule is if you win the passer rating differential you win games. And every major decision made is made with that golden rule in mind. I would guess the 4-3 defense is proven to lower opposing offenses passer rating for example. And I don't think its any coincidence at all that we went hard after the guy that was part of the organization that helped Nick Foles lead the league in the passer rating stat.

    If you don't like that cerebral approach to building a team then you probably hate a guy like Philbin; and you should have liked a guy like Sparano because they are complete opposites. Sparano wore his emotions on his sleeve and every decision seemingly came from his gut. And Philbin is a robot emotionally and most of his decisions are predetirmined.

    What peeves me are the guys that say "he's a bad coach because he doesn't ground and pound enough, and I prefer ground and pound!!!" Who gives a **** what you prefer. There are many ways to skin a cat and every different philosophy has proven to be successful. So if you prefer ground and pound say you prefer ground and pound, but that in no way means doing the opposite of what you prefer is bad.

    The bottom line though is some personality types just don't like other personality types. Thats a simple fact of life and I think thats where most of the hate is coming from.
     
  11. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Ive been around for awhile. Mostly lurk these days. I was really active til a few years ago. Was also big into the Pofo back in the day on the liberal side. I did change avatars a few times.
     
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  12. Stringer Bell

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    I can only speak for myself, but no. I don't really see anything resembling moneyball or quantitative analysis from Philbin.
     
  13. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Back then you had another avatar of marlon brando from apocalypse now.
     
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  14. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    What do you think he does with the data he collects from those gps trackers? The tracking software that apparently he was the first NFL coach to utilize. In my experience it takes a "quantitative" guy just to have the wherewithal to collect data like that in the first place. And I don't have the link anymore but I'm sure I read at one point that he often spends his free time studying stats and analytics, and that is what turned me on to the idea that he might be a number cruncher like so many of us amateur analytics guys.
     
  15. Stringer Bell

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    Philbin uses that data from the gps trackers? Everything I read about that indicated that it was being used by strength and conditioning in an effort to prevent injuries. I didn't read anything about Philbin using the data. There are also 13 teams int he league using it. If there is information on him using it, I'd be happy to see it, but at this point I don't see anything that indicates that.

    I mean the Dolphins literally just started an analytics dept. after Philbin has been around for two years. And from what I gather, Garfinkle is the one that is running the analytics effort. I think Garfinkle is much closer to be a moneyball person than Philbin.
     
  16. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    How did I know Philbin would get none of the credit....

    13 teams use it now, I read about the Dolphins being the only team in the league using it in 2012. The Eagles use it and Chip Kelly gets all the credit. The Dolphins use it but it must have been the training staff. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
     
  17. Stringer Bell

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    I can't find anything about them using it in 2012, earliest is 2013. All the reports I can find on the subject cite the training staff as coming up with the idea. This really shouldn't be that controversial. This was pretty widely reported on, and if Joe Philbin came up with the idea to use the GPS, or if it was used since 2012, then there would be documentation to support it. I'm just not sure how you reached those conclusions, because everything I can find on the subject doesn't support those things. Feel free to share where you're finding this information.
     
  18. LBsFinest

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    you probably felt the same way last year after we were 3-0.
     
  19. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I felt good about us being 3-0 no doubt...probably every one but you did...but the win Sunday vs the Patriots was much different. If you cant tell the difference...shrugs...no loss on me.
     
  20. Hobiesailor

    Hobiesailor Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I'm not sure why people are down on the quiet manager aspect of management and leadership. The guy sticking his nose in how their subordinates run their units can be just as detrimental as having incompetent coordinators. The leadership idea of command by negation is a completely valid way to lead and control an organization. The Leader (in this case, the Head Coach) lays out his idea and general philosophy of how he wants his organization to work and then leaves his individual unit leaders to figure out how they want to execute that overall philosophy. The Coordinators are free to plan and make decisions how they see fit, provided they fit into the overall philosophy. The Leader should (in theory) let his coordinators work and make decisions, but the Leader always retains the right to deny any action of the coordinators. The coordinators are free to run their units and make immediate decisions without running to the Leader to get things done, but if the Leader doesn't like something he can always deny that. It requires stronger leaders at the coordinator position and a leader that is very good with overall visions and the ability to oversee. Having Coordinators that are strong leaders in their units and are able to motivate them is not a bad thing. Being a manger and a letting your subordinate do what they do best and creating an organizational structure that allows that to happen isn't bad either.
     
  21. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    The D kicked it in gear after half really. Not when we lost starters. Even if that was the case, I would say YES. I doubt that had anything to do with anything. Coyle dialed up a way to cover the fact that the youngsters were out of position quite a bit. For instance, Grimes was not supposed to be on Gronk for the score. Bad LB decision. I have concerns. The game tape will expose them this week. Hopefully we have something up our sleeve.
     
  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I've rotated between like 3-4 Kurtz avatars over the years.
     
  23. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    That's true...lol. If you look at my previous posts you'll see I used to be more active around here. Im most especially quiet in the offseason.
     

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