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PFF Grades are in!!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dansar, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. Dansar

    Dansar Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  2. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I generally like PFF, but some of their grades are real head scratchers. Moreno's grade seems really low and Tannehill's seems really high.

    I'm not even going to address OV being the lowest rated defender. I don't remember him getting beat on a run play all game.
     
  3. jw3102

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    All I know is that the Dolphins beat the crap out of the Patriots in the second half of the game yesterday. So some of these low ratings for some players make no sense at all.

    Of course I only care about the end results on the field and rating systems are subjective, not objective, no matter what they want you to believe.
     
  4. padre31

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    Satele was the biggest surprise, he was football road kill not to long ago and he was going against Wilfork
     
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  5. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Worst PFF eval I have ever seen. I think they are trying to get these out to soon. It appears they need to take more time.
     
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  6. CaribPhin

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    If I'm not mistaken, these grades are on a play-by-play basis. So if you, say, sucked it up in the first half but got better in the second, your grade could still be low because you were playing catch up. Also, if the plays are graded up or down by the magnitude of how good or bad that play was rather than a standard good, bad, great, poor, rating, then if you had some egregiously bad plays they could possibly outweigh the grade you received for good ones.

    With Tannehill at least, I suspect his positive grades have to do with the plays he didn't try to make rather than the ones he made or failed on.
     
  7. Boik14

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  8. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Interesting that PFF would be ok with letting a beat writer use those numbers in a blog.
     
  9. keithjackson

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  10. Daben

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    I like how Randy Starks batting a pass moves him from our 11th best defender to 4th best. Do PFF publish scores for things like inter rater reliability btw? Assuming it isn't just one person scoring the game, which wouldn't be close to credible.
     
  11. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    I was happy they retained Starks over Paul Soliai.He is underated IMO.

    The signing of Earl Mitchell was inspired.He fits this defense very well.:up:
     
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  12. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    IMHO, PFF is better than any other site that "evaluates" and scores performances. They're not perfect, or even close to it, but they're definitely fairly reliable. They have a trainload of testimonials from execs, coaches, players, etc, so they can't be "that" bad.

    One thing that they take into account that may make their numbers seem off, is they grade all plays...whether it was negated by penalty or whatever, they grade it. Things like penalties and turnovers, balls defensed/blocked carry a LOT of weight also.
     
  13. Clark Kent

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    I don't get Tannehill's grade at all. As Trent Green pointed out, you can complete passes and be inaccurate. Tannehill played better in the second half, but that first half, including the post route INT wad awful.
     
  14. Deerless Dice

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    how many missed tackles did Moreno have yesterday?
     
  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ya it seems a little inflated. The only thing that stands out to give him a more positive grade is the drops that were dead on target. He still gets credit for those even though the receivers dropped them.
     
  16. Da 'Fins

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    Can't see that Moreno grade.

    I think there is some benefit to the grades at times but I don't think they are as accurate as ppl think. Not really a fan.

    The Moreno grade is nonsense. No telling how many plays he made purely because he made a great cut.

    On the final TD run, he broke five tackles on his own. Five. In fact, on that play, basically two blocks were made on the run side (there were a couple on the back side that were not as significant - but still made). The two key blocks were Colledge and Jarvis Landry. Both made huge blocks that gave Moreno a chance. But, Satele was horrific on that play. Ran straight forward watching the DT go right past him and then never touched another person; got to the goal line and turned around to see what Moreno was doing - with players to block in front of him. Just a terrible effort and bad play.
     
  17. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Hell ya man Delmas brings a fire. He gets guys hyped up, both with his leadership and his play. LOVE this signing.
     
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  18. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Preseason had me worried about Delmas. He missed so many tackles.

    He brought it when it counted.
     
  19. PhinFan1968

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    I'll still say I'm nervous about this game though. We've lost, what, 3 of the last 4 against these guys?

    The three guys that give me a reason to think we'll win a tough one are Lazor, Benton, and Moreno.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I am still nervous until we win.
     
  21. Alex44

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    The thing is their rating scale is from -2.0 to + 2.0.

    They rarely ever give the extreme grade so even his best plays were probably only worth 1.0
     
  22. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    That's the one knock I have on them. If Moreno hits a hole and gets 6 yards, it could be a zero play, because he'd be, as an NFL player, "expected" to get that from the available opening.
     
  23. unifiedtheory

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    Jimmy Wilson surprised me, I thought he was horse **** yesterday.
     
  24. cdz12250

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    I'm so happy for Samson. I was watching him throughout the game. He was great. This is the first time in his career he's gotten this kind of respect.
     
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  25. Conuficus

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    None. He never tried to tackle anyone....he was too busy beating the crap out of the opposition to tackle anyone.
     
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  26. padre31

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    Problem is now, we do have a fast, disruptive defense, it also leaves us vulnerable to teams that run the ball with power
     
  27. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Not actually...that new 5/2 formation well be great against power runners..I think that's why NE could not run very well against us. Not sure Of use that against CJ Spiller though
     

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