That's why I think its a team game. Can you imagine if Marino had a running game, or a better defense some of those years? It takes the whole team. Look at last years super bowl. Peyton, prolific passer, MVP season , pro bowl. He sucked, Denver sucked. Need everyone to be clicking to get that far. One person cant carry you, its never going to work out. And I believe if the fins go to the AFC championship, its because everything was clicking. Sects hypothetical doesn't say RT sucked in the championship game, maybe the other teams was just better on that day. I'd rather know the them was good around him.
I would pick B, just because if RT is elite, we have won the lottery and we'll be relevant for the next ten years and I am one convinced that you can win, even in today NFL, with a good - meaning not elite - qb and I'm a believer in balance football but an elite qb make all the process so much easy... Think about, the saints were a contender, even when they literally didn't have a defense, same with same edition of the patriots or colts... Just thinking about makes me emotional :-DOf course, that's if RT became elites like the other qb mentioned (and we are talking about some of the best in the history, I realize ) and not just good or a stats machine (like the Lions qb Imo) Edit I realize just know that the op spoke about prolific, not elite... Shame on me, but just numbers aren't worthy for me, I would need more
Missing the playoffs at 9-7 even with an all pro year would be worse than having a solid defense, scheme and merely serviceable qb take you on a deep playoff run. Much rather have the Eli situation of yesteryears giants than the Phillip Rivers chargers situation. Imo Sent from my LG-MS770 using Tapatalk
May even need to raise the bar after this year with these interference rules. Sent from my LG-MS770 using Tapatalk
To me the part in bold means that there isn't any aspect of the team, offense or defense that is dominant. Maybe they backed into the play-offs as a wild card and then caught a break to advance (a key player for the other team gets hurt or a bad call goes against the other team for a change). If that's the case then there isn't anything to build on so B is the logical answer. At lease then you have 1 piece of the puzzle.
The Dolphins have not been in an AFC Chamionship games since 1992. I was listening to a new band called Pearl Jam and someone born back then can legally drink now. Are you fuc***** kidding me people? I'll take a loss in the AFC Championship game over another season with no playoffs. Even with Tannehill as *elite* it doesn't guarantee another AFC Championship shot.
If Ryan Tannehill becomes a top NFL quarterback, this team is set up for long-term success. As you say, Mark Sanchez has been to a couple of conference championship games. Give me a light coming on for the QB over two playoff wins one time, please.
Dan Marino once threw for 4,700 yards and 44 TD's and missed the playoffs. Drew Brees threw for 5,000 yards and missed the playoffs...TWICE it happens...
OK .....I can see you have been playing both sides of this coin.....soooooooo What are you driving at Sec? Heres what I take from this little exercise... People value a franchise QB damned near as much as they value getting to the top of the conference...and or Super Bowl. I think in our case....Phins fans wise....they both overlap each other in how long we have been waiting for both to happen again in Miami. We were lucky to have had one of the 3 greatest QBS to play the game for a lot of our lives.....we vividly remember that feeling of having a franchise QB like Marino. We don't have the same....kind of "muscle memory" for a Super Bowl or AFC Championship because they happen so infrequently. Its tough...because I know I sure as hell loved every one of Dans seasons that he played...would I trade all those seasons for a Championship
yes, I get the point and I agree with that to a point, because I prefere balanced team as a more sure/ better way to achieve victory but in my mind if you have a Brady-Manning-Rodgers-brees type, you will keep going to the play-off - with a serious shot with a little bit of luck - every year for so many years ... and that won me over But you found a very interesting exemple in Rivers, because I was thinking more of a Manning/brady (elite) vs Stafford/cutler (good and even prolific, but clearly a different level) and Rivers is, IMO, in the middle, that makes the choice harder
I would enjoy both. But IMO, B) is more important for future success and to earnestly point toward a championship. Without B), we don't have anything really. Even crappy *** Flacco played like an elite Quarterback in the postseason, and all-time great defenses are even more rare than Franchise QB's.
A. It's not even close. It would still mean RT was good enough to get us into the playoffs which is good enough for me. I also really want to see guys like Wake get a shot before they pass their prime.
I'm pretty tired of hearing we are irrelevant in the nfl. A trip to the conference game, win or lose, would change that
Those back to back trips have bought them years of spotlight though. Case in point, there's a pretty strong consensus that the jets and geno are going to finish ahead of us this year, despite no real evidence other than Rex used to be a winner once upon a time
Admittedly, I know too many jets fans. Somehow most my close friends are jets fans, so I hear a lot about them. They're ahead of us in most power rankings, as that's all I can really go off of right now. People still believe Rex when he talks. No one mentions that he's missed the playoffs 3 years in a row now, just that he's primed to return.
ok. Just sayin' cuz Vegas disagrees. The advanced stats geeks have the Fins as the #2 fav to win the AFC East.
Four words. J. E. S. T. If Sec said "make it to the AFCCG at minimum" it would make it harder. But both scenarios have the team losing. Option A is like crack. More intense high but short lasting. Give me two losers I'll take the one with the prolific QB.
That does not matter. The fact that with the A scenario we did make it that far means some players on the team did some things right. Anyone who is more a Dolphins fan than a Tannehill fan should choose A.
One good year does not mean a QB is all the sudden a top 5 QB. It may have been an aberration. Besides, if the team makes it to the AFC Championship and lose, it is very likely the QB has an efficient season, if it's not a bunch of mind boggling stats.
For me the only answer is (A). You play the season to win games and get into the playoffs. You don't play games just so your QB can have a good season passing the ball. While I don't ever expect Tannehill to be a pro bowl QB. If he were to have that type season and the Dolphins failed to make the playoffs, I would still call for the firing of Philbin.
How is wanting a Rodgers/Brees level QB the team make me a Tanny fan? I could care less if RT goes down and Moore blossoms into an elite QB. I know for the long term success of the team, a prolific QB is longer lasting than a team where no one unit is dominant. People keep interjecting factors Sec eliminated from his hypo. There is no one team unit which was dominant. That doesn't leave you much. The team could very well go 3-13 next year. Look at the Houston Texans. Made it to the divisional round and then a 1st pick the next year.
Under scenario B there is no guarantee of a new staff in 2015. Ross may see 9-7, with the apparent prolific offense as exciting and enough improvement to maintain the status quo.
One prolific season does not guarantee Tannehill is elite. It may be a fluke. The scenario has nothing to do with what happens in 2015 and beyond.
