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Dan Marino Accepts Position as Special Advisor to Steve Ross & Tom Garfinkel

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  1. ckparrothead

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    https://twitter.com/MikeNBC6/status/503377063500595200

    EXACTLY the role I've had in mind for him for the past few months.
     
  2. ckparrothead

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    On twitter I think it was Jorge Sedano who identified this story as coming from Joe Rose, who is buds with Marino but isn't allowed to say it directly so he may have used this NBC 6 guy to get the word out.

    It was VERY conspicuous how involved Dan was all week on the practice field and several reporters noted that when they came back into the locker room from the game Dan Marino was there too greeting the players.

    This is real, IMO.
     
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  3. Clark Kent

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    Care to go into details? What exactly does a special adviser to Ross/Garfinkle do? Is this an opportunity to learn the organizational operations to eventually take on a John Elway role within the organization in the future?
     
  4. Trackstar

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    Having Marino in the room when we interview Malzhan or Harbaugh next year is a game changer imo...if it comes to that of course
     
  5. Fin D

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    God I hope not.
     
  6. ckparrothead

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    Also I know there will be a lot of confusion and skepticism regarding his role on the team.

    There are reasons this role is EXACTLY what I have had in mind for him all along. I don't care what the official title is. It could've been anything from Special Advisor to being placed on the Board as an Executive Vice-Chair (which is not a common position in the business world).

    Head coaches come and go. That's the reality of this business. General Managers come and go. Also a reality of this business. When you have to evaluate these people and make changes, or decide not to make changes, who does that? Some teams have a structure in place where a President would do that. I think MANY teams it's just the owner.

    Steve Ross will never step down from that position. He wants to make those big decisions, as he says it's part of the fun of being an owner.

    The problem is he's got no "football guy" in his owner's council that he can rely upon. Carl Peterson is retired, not a part of this organization, although he has openly hinted he'd like the GM job in the past. I don't know if Ross really feels like he can keep relying on him every time there's a big decision to be made. Matt Higgins? NOT a football guy. Dawn Aponte? They keep going out of their way to make sure people know that they don't really regard her as a football person. Tom Garfinkel? His voice in the council is strengthening but he's still not a football guy.

    To me, this is where Marino comes in. Why? He's a MIAMI DOLPHIN. For life. He'll never not be a Dolphin. He's not part of the NFL rat race where guys step away from a position in one organization for a higher position in another organization. He doesn't just want to be back in the NFL. He wants to be back with the Dolphins. He needs to be ABOVE the cyclical, turnover-plagued positions within an NFL front office. He's not qualified to just step in and be the GM. You can't make him the Assistant GM or something like that either, because guess what you end up firing your GM and hiring a new one, the new GM is like uhh no I've got my own guy in mind to be Assistant GM. That's the way it goes.

    Dan needs to have involvement with the football aspects of the organization so that he can keep abreast of everything, but he needs to be above that churn. That's what this role is about.

    The other advantage of the role from Steve Ross' standpoint is really the strength of Dan's voice in his council will be determined by Ross himself and it'll be based on whether Dan is giving him good advice that makes a lot of sense, or perhaps Ross can tell that Dan is kind of phoning it in and just treating this like semi-retirement. That's a risk with this whole thing.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Exactly. You get it.
     
  8. Fin D

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    He's potentially good PR. I think that Marino is less an asset with football people and more of a good will ambassador with the fans. I honestly don't see how or why he'd be a game changer with potential coaching/GM candidates. But he'd be awfully good on local TV & radio selling the new coach/gm/etc. to the public.

    Of course this is barring anymore love children and drunken appearances at team functions......
     
  9. ckparrothead

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    Armando Salguero and Barry Jackson have just confirmed the report.
     
  10. KeyFin

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    Before Ross does something stupid, he calls Marino and asks his opinion. In turn, the Dolphins get to use Marino's name in marketing/recruiting. As of now, that's essentially the scope of the duties.
     
  11. ckparrothead

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    Not quite. You're understating the amount of involvement Marino will have in day to day oversight, as well as the amount of involvement Marino would have in a situation where they're hiring a new GM or HC.

    Essentially next year if they come to the point of trying to court Jim Harbaugh, the interview table with Harbaugh will have three seats across from it. And those seats will be filled by Steve Ross, Tom Garfinkel and Dan Marino.
     
  12. Clark Kent

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    lol, why do you hate Dan Marino?
     
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  13. Fin D

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    I don't hate Dan Marino at all. Its just he's not Jesus and there are things he's not right for.

    If I said Dan was horrible at running the football, would that mean I hate him? Of course not, he was horrible at running the football. Why is this any different?

    The bigger question is why all of you think Dan would be good at football personnel decisions?
     
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  14. MikeHoncho

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    Wait. The guy from Maroons? Cool!

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
     
  15. Anonymous

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    Except he might not be bad at making football personnel decisions. You're trying to say that's as obvious as him being bad at running the football and that's wrong.

    Also, we don't even know his role yet. He might not make personnel decisions now. That could be his job In the future after he's gained experience.
     
  16. Fin D

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    Why is it wrong? What has he ever done to say otherwise?

    My point is not relevant to what his role is. So many on here think he'd be great in a position of power with team and I'm asking why?
     
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  17. Anonymous

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    He has no experience yet. We can't say he will be good at it. And you can't say he would be bad at it. We don't know yet.
     
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  18. Fin D

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    He was a poor analyst on TV. He was poor in the film room while playing. The last time he had an opportunity to do this he realized he was in over his head and quit. There's more to say he won't be good at it then he will be good at it.

    It'll be great if he proves me wrong, but its absurd that people think I hate him just because I think the evidence points to him being bad at this.
     
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  19. Anonymous

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    Except your "evidence" isn't evidence. It's opinion. I can easily sit here and say he was a great analyst who excelled in the film room. There is no way to prove who is actually right.
     
  20. Clark Kent

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    I don't. I'm not sure if he would be good or bad at it. You seem... less open minded than someone who was taking a neutral position. Add in the shots about his personal life and the assumption seemed fair.
     
  21. pmj

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    Why wouldn't he be good at giving advice on whether someone is a good coach, someone is a good QB, someone is a good leader/teammate, etc? Thinking high level stuff here, not watching tape and doing drafts. Sure it's a guess, but I'd rather have Marino as a football advisor than Ross making decisions on his own.
     
  22. Serpico Jones

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    I like the hiring but there is a chance it could bring some problems for the current front office, Marino is foul-tempered and I don't see him meshing with a person like Dawn Aponte who has been a figure of controversy in the front office. Philbin and company better be prepared to get cussed at by Dan.
     
  23. Fin D

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    No, saying he was poor analyst is fact. Saying he was poor in the film room is fact. Saying he quit the job because he was over his head is fact. None of those are opinions.
     
  24. Fin D

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    He's not a blank slate. There is data.

    Those weren't shots. If he's there for even partial PR purposes, then major public snafus like a love child and public drunkenness at team functions could be a problem, no?
     
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  25. Fin D

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    Why would he be good at any of that?
     
  26. Anonymous

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    You can keep thinking that he was bad. You would be wrong to call them facts. Those are opinions.

    A fact would be something like the Miami Dolphins hired Dan Marino as a special consultant to Stephen Ross. That's something I can actually prove.
     
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  27. vt_dolfan

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    Ill tell you one thing. Nobody doubts Dan Marino is a competitor. Having him by your side further proves Ross is very serious in bringing a Championship back to Miami.

    Marino keeps the ship pointing in the right direction. Its not so much talent evaluation..its having someone in the front office who hates loosing more then just about anything.
     
  28. Fin D

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    Well, he was fired from his two TV analyst jobs. There's been plenty of talk in the past about how he hated the film room and thought it was pointless. And he did, in fact, quit the job he had with power because he was in over his head. I'm not sure what you're arguing with at this point as all of those things actually happened.
     
  29. Anonymous

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    Well, he wasn't fired from CBS. I'm fairly certain he wanted to move on as well. He was on the show for 12 seasons, after all.I don't see how him thinking the film room was pointless makes him bad at watching film.I'm also fairly certain he quit the Dolphins job for the exact opposite reason. Didn't they promise him certain power and then treat him like crap?
     
  30. Fin D

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    Yes he was fired from CBS.
    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/football/cbs-takes-miami-dolphins-legend-dan-marino-off-nfl/ndSHj/

    And yes he quit because the job was too much. He was not treated like crap. This was Huizenga. He worshipped Dan.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1724780

    Like I said, not opinions, but facts.
     
  31. Rocky Raccoon

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    This makes me very happy.
     
  32. Clark Kent

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    I agree. His analysis was never in depth. But a part of that was his inability to cut down players, coaches, etc... He's always polite and tried to come up with someone positive to say about them. He knows his bread and butter. If you wanted a critical breakdown of a player, I don't know if he couldn't do it.

    My recollection of 2004 and the SVP job might be hazy. I seem to recall Marino quit for other reasons than being in over his head. Those memories are murky, however. Maybe someone can extrapolate on the timeline and what really happened? I'd love to read it.

    As for the film room... Didn't he put a 1st round grade on Philip Rivers before Philip's stock exploded?
     
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  34. Fin D

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    Like I said he was fired from 2 analyst jobs. He was hired for the FO job then quit 3 weeks later. It was too much time and effort for him and his family.

    I honestly don't know about the Rivers thing. I do know he thought Damon Huard was starting caliber.
     
  35. Fin D

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    Your link didn't work for me. Just google marino fired from CBS. Its everywhere. And yes the job wasn't what he thought it would be, because he thought it would be easier.
     
  36. Clark Kent

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    ... He had... moments... lol.
     
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    Also, I'll say again, if he's here to put a better and more respected face on the franchise to the fans, then he'll do that well. I just don't see what his draw will be with potential coaches/gms/etcs. For example, why is he an important piece of the Harbaugh puzzle?
     
  38. Anonymous

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    I don't need to google it. I know what happened. My link went more in depth. I think I fixed it so you can try it again.
     
  39. Rocky Raccoon

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    You guys are forgetting the important development here.

    Dan Marino is finally going to get the ring he's always deserved.
     
  40. Anonymous

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    Because he's respected around the NFL. He's literally the reason we had a chance to meet Peyton Manning. With Harbaugh, if it comes to that, he can sell him on the idea of being a Dolphin.
     

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