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Hypotheticaly Har Balling It......

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by vt_dolfan, Aug 21, 2014.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    His last name is AWESOME!
     
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  2. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I don't think the Raiders letting Gruden go or the Cowboys letting JJ go are good examples.

    1. Al Davis.
    2. Jerry Jones.
    3. Neither coach enjoyed sustained success at their new destinations. Gruden basically won with Dungy's team.
    4. The Harbaugh 49ers thing doesn't seem like one giant ego against another giant ego (like in the case of the Raiders & Cowboys) it seems like one giant ego pissing off the ENTIRE FO.
     
  3. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    Stop it you tease.
     
  4. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Well...I hope you didn't misunderstand my thread..and think I believe Bill Lazor's offense has already shown it will produce. Im not that naive. But, its also I think easy to see why a lot of people are very hopeful. I know me personally, I havent seen the kind of creative play calling we have seen in TC...and glimpses we have seen in pre season games in Miami in such a long, long time. Its hard not to have visions of an exciting offense here in Miami.

    And to be honest...I really dont see the kind of "hero" worship you are describing. Its just..hey we havent been able to average 25 points a game in two decades. TWO DECADES. Its kinda like....being single for ages....only to finally have a chance to date a smoking hawt babe. Now...is she good in bed? We will have to find out...but when shes walking round and that *** is kickin....your gonna get exicted bro...you just are.
     
  5. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    well..and that. Ya gotta admit...it is an AWSOME first name for an offensive coord.
     
  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    And the clock is still ticking on that. Last I checked, the Dolphins have scored 30 points in two preseason games.

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  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    In this thread we have people calling for Bill Lazor to be straight up elevated to Head Coach. We have other people evaluating the merits of hiring a coach (36-11-1 record including three Conference Championship appearances and one Super Bowl appearance) at least in part based on whether he'll keep Bill Lazor or not.

    Yes I'd say that's a bit of premature hero worship.
     
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  8. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's one thing to be encouraged about lazor, which I am, it's another to questions whether keeping Lazor is worth giving up on the possibility of Harbaugh.

    also, if Lazor is as great as many think he will be, wouldn't he be a hot coaching candidate himself? He might not even be here.

    The Lazor worship really proves one thing though. Joe Philbin is bringing absolutely nothing unique to the table anymore. He was supposed to be a master game planner. Well, he never game planned here, and now we've scrapped his entire offense.

    So, what qualities is he bringing to the table that couldn't be improved upon?
     
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  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Objectively speaking I'm not sure anyone can even disagree with that. The best people are saying is that we should take a "wait and see" approach with Philbin...which is all too familiar.

    Hell the beat writers are reporting that the Dolphins are now taking Mondays off instead of Thursdays. The norm in the NFL is to take Tuesdays off. The Eagles take Monday off, which is unusual. The Dolphins took Thursday off, which is even more unusual. But last year supposedly Philbin had these studies done based on this gear they're using in practice that determines workloads and whatnot and supposedly the output of these studies was that they'd be more healthy if they took Thursday off. Now evidently they're doing it Chip Kelly's way. Wouldn't be all that out there to guess that Lazor had some influence on that.

    Maybe the guy ought to be the coach after all. Not sure what Philbin is bringing to the party.
     
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  10. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    If there is a possibility of this happening, I don't see how you don't fire Philbin for quite possibly what would be the best coaching staff in the league in Harbaugh and Rex... I guess only winning the Super Bowl would save Philbin his job.
     
  11. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I guess Im lost on how..this discussion was predicated on the hypothetical that Lazors offense would succeed..not that ..since we know its gonna be awsome sauce what are we going to do.

    I dont really hear much argument with the hypothetical stance that Harbaugh will be available.

    Its conjecture. Its surmising that possibly we have a good offense..a good oc..and still not finish well enough to save Philbin from a Harbaugh hire...
     
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  12. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Perhaps Philbin is wearing his "WWCD" bracelet (What Would Chip Do).

    If you hear that Philbin has commissioned personalized smoothies for each player than you know he has truly succumbed.
     
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  13. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'll answer the question definitively.

    You get Harbaugh.

    If he wants to keep Lazor, great. If not, fine.
     
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  14. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Harbaugh is a clown. No way, under any circumstances should we change the HC.
     
  15. LBsFinest

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    Too many people are focused on just this year...I'm thinking more long term. Even if we finally finish with a winning record, have an exciting, improved offense, there's no guarantee we don't regress in 2015. Or someone's so impressed with the job Lazor did with Foles and Tannehill that they hire him as their HC, Philbin replaces him with some stiff that isn't ready, and we go back to sucking in 2015. I have no faith in Philbin being the long term answer, no faith we'll ever win a Super Bowl with him, go deep in the playoffs, no faith that we can have any sustained success.

    But Harbaugh is that type of coach. He could poach a lot of those great assistant coaches in SF to come to Miami, even more importantly what if a Tom Gamble came with him as GM? Is Ross really going to pass on these massive upgrades across the board? God I hope not.
     
  16. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    But are you really surprised? I mean, this is the same forum where someone once penned a thread statistically comparing Chad Henne to Peyton Manning... :shifty:
     
  17. vt_dolfan

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    Thanks..the kind of response I was hoping to generate
     
  18. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No circumstances whatsoever?

    What has Philbin done to survive a 5-11 or 6-10?
     
  19. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sometimes things make sense "on paper" but don't work out when you actually try them. I don't necessarily think its a bad thing that Philbin tried something different but then changed when it didn't work out. Would you prefer a coach who kept trying to fit a round peg into a square hole?
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Dolphins would have to havea season where they score 30 points per game and 500 yards per game for Bill Lazor to get a head coaching job.
     
  21. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not necessarily. Mike McCarthy got the Packers job after having an offense ranked in the 20's the year before.
     
  22. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    To answer the original post, I think it would all depend on whether the team looked like it belonged in the playoffs or not. If we were a 9-7 team that backed its way into the playoffs and then were blown out by a superior team than yeah I could see Ross making a change. But if the team was in the running the entire season and played at a high level in the playoffs then I don't see Ross making the change. Remember plenty of high profile coaches have failed with their next team.
     
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  23. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I'll just list Epic wins.

    He got rid of Ireland.
    Got us the QB, first coach since Shula to do that.
    Got us the system you can believe in, first since Shula to do that.



    We've had great coaches come here and fail on those counts, and ended up struggling for decades to find that. Now that we have it, you want to destroy it because you are not happy with the record? Heyl No!
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He was an offensive coordinator 4 years for the Saints before he had the 49er job.

    Lazor is a first time Offensive coordinator.
     
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  25. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not sure if you're serious, but ok.

    First, Ireland played some role in getting the QB, so Philbin only deserves partial credit, if anything. and there is still no guarantee he'll be good.

    Second, what system? The one we just scrapped or the brand new one that we've never seen in a real game?
     
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  26. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Schmooliot, you don't get it.
     
  27. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I don't think Harbaugh being willing to leave is a negative reflection on him. I do think SanFran being willing to let him leave reflects poorly on him though...
     
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  28. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If a guy is going into his final year and you can't agree on money why wouldn't you let him go?

    Especially if you can get a draft pick. It's no different than a team trading a player that it doesn't think it can resign.
     
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  29. JMHPhin

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    Hell of a catch twenty two. But we make the playoffs you cant fire Philbin, anything less hes out IMO. Lazor could stay under Harbaugh if Harbaugh is willing to let Lazor handle the offense. would it happen? maybe not, but too many ifs right now.
     
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  30. LBsFinest

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    I disagree, if we only score about a touchdown more a game that would be enough to have our offense ranked in the top 10, and teams would definitely have serious interest in Lazor as some sort of QB whisperer.
     
  31. Anonymous

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    I don't care if we win the Super Bowl, if we can bring in Harbaugh AND Rex Ryan I would do it. Ok, maybe exaggerating but that would be great. I would probably just do it for Harbaugh. I'm not down on Philbin like everyone is. I'm not going to do that stupid thing potsers here are doing where they act like Philbin does nothing for the team and might as well not even be here. Harbaugh is probably going to go down as an all time great, though. He's probably the best HC out right now. I just don't see how you can say no to him, even if we do make the playoffs and even if we do win a game. An upgrade is an upgrade.
     
  32. Anonymous

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    No offense but you're not expected to know what Philbin brings to the party. You're a fan. We all are. He's a Head Coach so he has his fair share to deal with, I'm sure.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    i don't, I think you go back to the point that CK brought up earlier, everyone's got their ego in the pot, I think they think they had as much to do with the turn Around as Harbaugh did and they don't want to give him full control and stay in the background ..they want some glory..

    Fu@& them, imo it feels like something weird is going on there.it looks as though the front office has shown a lack of respect for their coach that could ultimately trickle down to the locker room..it really does look like a jealousy case.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    3 year rule " America" ...go Philbin...but he's got to keep the team on the upswing.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    i don't see why Harbaugh wouldn't want Lazor, he ain't no o coordinator, and he likes the athletic Qb and encourages it.
     
  36. djphinfan

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    Can't forget about Malzahn though too, if Philbin poops himself.
     
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  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That isn't good enough for someone who doesn't have that much experience.
     
  38. EverFin

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    Jim Harbaugh + Miami = Headache.
    Jim Harbaugh + ..... (you insert) = Headache.

    Just my gut feeling. Great coach but...
     
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  39. Da 'Fins

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    As Dupree noted, McCarthy was an OC from 2000-2004 at New Orleans. He was named NFC Offensive Assistant of the Year in 2000. And, had been the QB coach for Favre with Green Bay in 1999. The resume was much stronger for McCarthy on multiple levels than Lazor.

    I sure hope Lazor has a great offense this year - but I have some serious doubts it will be great. I think it will be improved and the pass-blocking will be better but I still have doubts about the running game (which is really central to an upper echelon offense), the interior of the OL is still very messy, and even RT though he looks good at times has not shown he can link up with Wallace.

    I'd give it an 80%-90% chance Philbin is gone after this year b/c I think it will be an 8-8 / 9-7 type year.
     
  40. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    B/c that's kinda a ridiculous concept. There is no salary cap on coaches... and NFL teams roll in money. If they were really high on him, they wouldn't let him leave.
     

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