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Breaking: Dion Jordan Suspended 4 Games for Violating PED Policy

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by schmolioot, Jul 3, 2014.

  1. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    HGH and anabolic steroids are not stimulants.
     
  2. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for my new desktop background.
     
  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Don't forget knee jerk reactionaries.
     
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  4. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    wow... this took off like a weed!

    First off to all those saying "he's a cheater" and a "bust" because of this. LMAO....
    I'm telling you right now that there is a large portion of the league taking PED's. There are ways to hide things from testing based on what you take, when you cycle it, etc. Drugs are rampant in sports all the way down to High School levels. If there is a way to get a leg up on your competition athletes will try and get it. It is what it is.

    Secondly, the reports I've seen say "stimulant". That's different than Steroid or HGH use. I'd imagine he was taking one of the millions of products out there that promise to jack you up for workouts since he had to bulk up pretty quick.

    Whether he knew what he was taking was on the banned substance list or not is yet to be seen and quite frankly just does not matter.

    Either way, I don't care.
    He just needs to learn from it and either stop taking risks with PED's or learn how to beat the system better.
    He's just missing 4 games. It'll give him more time continue training and he'll be fresher at the end of the season. There's your silver lining.
     
  5. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it's just best to ignore all off season news and rumors, etc. We'll get to the off season games and see what we got and go from there. This is just too dizzying and nauseating
     
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  6. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    The kid makes a mistake on a over the counter stimulant and the Ireland haters JUMP on a rant session good lord he is young and trying to become better give him a break.
     
  7. Scrap

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    It might be something that 90% of society takes anyway. I'll reserve all judgement at this time. Heck, caffeine is a stimulant. Half of you probably get all jacked up on coffee just to post negative $hit on this form.
     
  8. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    Really?
    A Center runs the entire OL.
    He makes the calls and adjustments in blocking.
    Having an above average Center is a huge asset to an OL.
    This viewpoint does not surprise me however as the avg. fan has no idea what goes on in OL play.
     
  9. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Ok that's a good one.
     
  10. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Everyone knows a center makes the line adjustments. I think you are overestimating how hard that actually is. There are very few centers who are elite in that category and I wouldn't consider Pouncey one of them considering how the line often looked like they had no idea about their assignments last season, often got crossed up and let free men through.

    Id actually consider that a weak point of Pouncey and say most average centers could replace him in that aspect. Pouncey has great athleticism. That along with his below average ability to make those calls is why Ive advocated moving him to guard.
     
  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Exactly, fans are so funny at times.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bro, injuries happen, he's not out for the year, got to compartmentalize your eras, we have a player thats gonna be out four games, then back 100 %.. Pouncey too, look at this as a challenge for the remaining team, if they can play well, then we got those two guys back, we might have ourselves a tough team..

    Don't give up on your guys man, how do you think it feels for them, fans giving up on them and sh&$, this thread will be the narrative for the vibe in the public consciousness, this is how you stay down as a culture, this is why players and coaches may not want to come here, or why players might wanna leave..

    We've got to learn to take a hit, and move on, their not out for the season bro.
     
  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree, players must take the approach to their bodies relative to the game and performance down to a science, problem is, I don't think those protocols are in affect from the players union, and I believe it's a huge mistake on their part..

    He probably knew it was illegal and got busted though..sometimes it's hard for athletes to conceptualize uppers as it relates to performing enhancing drugs if it's not in actual games.
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What I agree here is that we really don't know these players like the front office does, you have that right, the thing is with this dude, is that there might be some emotional issues causing stress.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know clean, I was being sarcastic.
     
  16. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    Good, I'm proud of him for doing what it takes. 4 games at a deep position is worth it for what he gained off the cycle. Coaches know this.
     
  17. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    What can't be debated is the fact that Jordan's Dolphin's career is off to a shaky start. Will he come around and turn into a top player? Maybe, maybe not. But what's so sobering about this latest problem is that it might add to our huge draft misses.

    Other teams select all-pros/pro bowlers/future HOFers in the first round & beyond. Since '05 we've had overall picks 1, 2 & three but RB & J.Long have no chance to make it to the Hall. And at this rate anyone convinced Jordan is the real deal? Forget about a simple early rd pick. I'm talking the first, second and third players taken in their respective drafts!!
     
  18. pmj

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    As someone has already said, the NFL is NOT allowed to say what the player failed for. The players and their reps always get out and say it is for something not steroids. It truly might not be in this case, but just saying.
     
  19. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    Im not not convinced, and this suspension does nothing to change that. Robert Mathis tested positive for clomid, pretty much guaranteed the guy was on a cycle of gear, and had 19.5 sacks last year. 4 games off was worth it for him.
     
  20. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    Is it going to be worth it for his team if they miss out on say a top seed by 1 game? Remember we win 1 more game last season we're in the postseason not SD.
     
  21. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Even Tim Howard could not save the Dolphins...
     
  22. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Some BS mixed in there, prior results do not predict future results in acquiring players.

    Millen's time in Det would have meant not drafting another Wr, which is not to say Jordan will not or will be a all time great player.

    Merely one thing does not lead to another.
     
  23. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    As for Mr Pouncey "making the line calls" perhaps he was speaking Arabic in 2013, as the rest of the unit clearly did not comprehend his "calls"

    I'm not impressed with Pouncey, have never really been that impressed with him tbh.

    I'm waiting to see Dwight Stephenson, still waiting.
     
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  24. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    You will be waiting a-long time
     
  25. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Another bump in the Dion Jordan road. It's not a great start to what is a big year for him.

    If he doesn't come back and have a strong year, the word bust is going to be tied to him. I think it's fair to say or wonder if he's a bust.
     
  26. unifiedtheory

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    This is the truest truth ever truthed.
     
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  27. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Dwight Stephenson is GOAT at Center... Not really fair. Its like expecting. Tanny to be Marino.

    I called Dion Jordan and PEDs last year when he put on 20lbs prior to the draft . im on my phone so ill find it. its in the draft forum.

    Oh and don't think all your favorite players aren't juicing. They're. Cam Wake too... Im more upset Dion Jordan got caught twice. Once more and he's gone for the year, right? Sigh...
     
  28. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Depends on the type of violation which I believe in the cases your speaking of is for non performance enhancing items such as weed/alcohol etc. I do believe performance enhancers (which stimulants count) are automatic. Also most people don't realize this but they don't begin drug testing etc until late April. Means players take whatever they want from the time their team isn't playing until then. The dumb ones are those that don't cut it out before the tests to catch it.

    http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010 Drug Policy.pdf

    This article is being a pain to copy and paste so look under the section on page 20 of the document (not the pdf..the document) under part II B of the Discipline for Violation of Law Related to Substances of Abuse Other Than Alcohol.

    It states automatic 4 game suspension for first offense that doesn't involve alcohol.
     
  29. DOLPHAN1

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    for me it's a first offense. if he gets busted again then I will have second thoughts about him. in a league where these guys literally have to get with the organization before taking OTC cold meds or headache relief it is difficult to know if what he did he did knowingly or was just lazy and assumed. hopefully he learns and moves on.
     
  30. DOLPHAN1

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    I thought that was for recreational but an automatic 4 games suspension for first time PEDs violation
     
  31. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    Certainly won't be buying a Dion Jordan Jersey. It was a wasted pick from the get go. Thanks Ireland, S&&& wrong thread
     
  32. padre31

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    Unlike Dion Jordan, Pouncey has been a day 1 starter.
     
  33. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Probably something like adderall.
     
  34. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It was a bad idea for Dion to try and gain a bunch of weight, he doesn't have the metabolism that is conducive to putting on weight, at most 5lbs muscle would of been sufficient, I just wonder if there was pressure to add weight because of the position change, he felt the pressure, struggled with gaining the weight,and lost his common sense..

    The trainers should of known this and told the coaches that they can expect 5 to 7 lbs max..this way you still get all the benefits of Dion Jordan's athleticism with extra strength from the healing of the shoulder and the extra muscle put on, there is no reason for this body type to be carrying 20 extra lbs of fat..no reason at all.
     
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  35. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Can someone explain to me how Dion Jordan is a bust? He had a rookie season full of injury and setbacks, but when he was on the field he produced.

    So he's getting suspended for the first four games and he's a bust because of it? Come on now.

    I've said this before but my biggest pet peeve in sports is people who write off players without giving them a chance. IMO you need to wait 3 years before deeming a player a bust (I feel the same about coaches, which is why I haven't written Philbin off).

    If you're giving up on Jordan already and calling him a wasted pick, well, then that's not very nice of you.
     
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  36. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    nah, your post will do just fine in the BS dept. Who gives a flying _____ about what millen did in Det? His drafting multiple WRs has nothing to do w/my point of our franchise screwing the pooch by failing to draft one of the best players in three separate

    drafts. Different positions, same results. Yes, different regimes made these selections but as a franchise this is horrible. You want to believe that Jordan won't fall into the same category as Jake & Ronnie? Fine have at it, but to the rest raise your hand if you'll

    be surprised if Dion doesn't pan out for whatever reason(s).
     
  37. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Pardon me while I jump into a storm cellar to avoid the falling sky.
     
  38. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    So much this. QFT.


    A 4 game suspension isn't a good thing. However, it's not the end of the world. We're deep at DE and when he comes back, he'll be fresh and he'll have a bye week to acclimate himself back into the fold before being thrown onto the field. I'm still excited about Dion Jordan's future.
     
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  39. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Imagine it..

    Every day..

    Offseason..

    Rehab..rehab..

    Expectations..

    Pushing yourself to the limit..

    Every day..

    Getting up..

    Getting up again..

    Working out with heavy intensity..

    Everyday

    Fatigue..

    Supplement to get you up and thru the day..

    Start over.

    Could of happened that way.
     
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  40. RoninFin4

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    If you're not impressed with Pouncey, then I'm not sure what to tell you. He's a top 3 center in the league. RIGHT NOW.
     

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