If Huizenga Fires Cam, doest he Hire Jason Garrett

And who will it be that year after that? I have a feeling if you gave Mike Mularkey Tony Romo and TO he would look good also. However I do think that Garrett makes a good OC.

There are a couple of things everyone has to remember when it comes to this coaching staff. It is not Cameron's or Randy's coaching staff. It is Nick Saban's coaching staff.

Think about that.

The only ones that were allowed to be replace were those that had already got a job somewhere else.

Like Jason Garrett.

Wayne said part of it was the fact that the coaches had already been paid and Cameron was hired late in the off season.

Mark my words, Cam and Randy have two coaches lists. One with the coaches from here that are gone. And the other is targets that they want to come here.

I would expect a 80% coaching change

 

NO!!!!!!!!

why would he he is Cam Cameron 5yrs younger, so big deal he is leading the cowboys offense.
Cameron did the same thing in San Diego.

If Cameron is fired I feel Huizenga goes after another big name Cowher/Parcells/Schottenhiemer

 

Garrett never should have been let go to begin with.
I said right after they let Garrett go that it was a mistake.
Was yet another blunder by this organization.

They won't offer him the HC gig though.
IF they were to fire Cam it would be for Cowher IMO.
Having said that I don't see it happening.

 

I like Garrett a lot but he has far less experience then Cam, at least Cam was an OC for a couple of years before becoming our HC. Garret has one year as a QB coach and now one year as an OC, I would not want him as a HC yet.

 

Yes and now. It was a huge loss and we all knew it at the time..... But he was hired by Dallas before Cam was hired right? Short of guaranteeing him an OC job I just don't know how we could have kept him, and I don't know how we could have promised him that given that we didn't even know who our HC was going to be. I mean you can do that with a guy like Capers because you are keeping him to run the D and hiring an offensive HC, and you can do it in Dallas by hiring Garrett to be the OC before you have a HC because you are hiring him to run the offense and bringing in a defensive guy to be the HC..... But you cant hire a coordinator on the side of the ball that your new HC specializes in before that HC signs off on it.

Unless my timeline is mixed up. We just got screwed over by the fickle finger of fate, seem to be happening to this franchise a lot these days.

 

I just wanted Garrett to stay somewhere in Miami. There were brief reports he would become OC of the Canes.

With a guy like that you need to be a year early, not a year late. Now it's a year late. John Madden has already gushed on national TV that Garrett will be head coach soon in the NFL.

We had already gaffed by bypassing him for OC in favor of Mularkey and the gadget plays. I was posting on Finheaven regularly at that point and many of us preferred Garrett.

Frankly, Huizenga is not creative or competent enough to consider someone like Garrett. He chooses the predictable and supposedly safe route, like hot commodity Nick Saban a few years ago, and last year the flirtation with Pete Carroll. Then he ends up with the high profile coordinator of the 14-2 team and its top offense.

Garrett would have been a gamble on greatness and that's not Huizenga's style.

 

Garrett has hired by Dallas I think a week-10 days or so before Cameron was. Of course he would have wanted to go to Dallas and it nulled his deal with the Dolphins.

I though they let the search for a new HC take too long mainly because they did not want to look like they rushed. However Saban screwed us even there in coaches because of how late he left.

Just remember, Cameron or Muller had little say on most of the coaches here this year and a lot of them will be gone early this off season. The day after our last game 10 coaches might get fired. We could hire Garrett back or anyone that Randy and/or Cam are looking at.

The question is "who is the next Jason Garrett?". Is he a QB coach on a NFL team right now? Talking to or about anyone else's coaches is tampering so we will not know anything till off season.

 

Over Bill Cowher????? Your kidding right....

 

We have the next Jason Garrett..right here in Miami..right now. He was our starting QB at the beginning of the season.

Trent Green. He needs to be kept as a coach.

 

It would make no sense to fire Cameron and then hire an even less experienced coach to replace him. Go from one OC/HC to another OC/HC. Sounds like fun. Then next year we can fire him and hire Cam back. Ring around the rosie.

We need to stick with Cam/Muel. I really like the direction of this team. They are putting the future of this team at the top priority. That sits very well with me. So we have to endure a terrible season in the meantime, big deal. Pretty much every storied franchise has gone through this at some point. And everytime it happens, it is just before a huge turnaround. You can hire all the Wannys and Sabans that you want. Those types of coaches think they can sacrifice their own football philosophy in order for a quick fix and a few extra wins. You need to have the balls to stand up and say youre gonna build a football team. Building an offense starts on the line. Then you get a QB and some playmakers. If we come out of this season with high marks on Beck and a solid oline. I will feel very good about that foundation for success. I think some of believe that you start building a house by shingling the roof. Wrong, you lay a foundation. 2007 is a foundation, not a finished product. Judging Cam by this year's success would be like calling Beck a failure and a bust because he hasn't scored any points yet in two games. Some of you might not see the problem with that, if so, go ahead and stop reading. You can't be helped. For everyone else, calm down and support you team. No NFL power has ever been built in one season, expecting that from Cam is moronic. You give a guy two eggs and a stick of butter and tell him to bake a cake. The guy makes you two sunny side up. You fire the guy. Who's the idiot?

 

Oh, God. I miss VIP.

Listen, Jason Garret was hired before Wade Phillips. If Jerry Jones couldn't find a suitable head coach, he was going to make Garret the head coach. But Garret isn't ready: he's only been a coach for a handful of years, and despite Bill Parcells' endorsement--"He has head coach written all over him"--he still needs time to bake. As it is, he's slotted to be the head coach of the Cowboys, which to him is a better job than being head coach of the Dolphins.

Cameron won't be fired, and Jason Garret will not be a head coach in 2008.

 

I dont care what anyone else says it is stupid to fire Cameron after one year, STUPID!

 

One word: brilliant.

The Cam bashing is getting increasingly ridiculous. That's not to say that he didn't make questionable decisions and calls - he had his fair share of both - but people's expectations are borderline silly. For the first time in, well, a lot of years this team is heading into the right direction with a young quarterback, a solide offensive line, a roster that doesn't consist of aging and underachieving veterans and yet people call for the HC's head because he doesn't put up some lousy garbage time wins like the weasel did. I'd gladly go 0-25 if it meant rebuilding a team that has been in dire need of rebuilding for the last ten years. This debate perfectly illustrates why NFL FOs and players are dreading rebuilding and rather be mediocre for ten years - because the guy who has the guts to actually do it will have a lynch mob of self-centered fans on his heels.

 

What about Cowher?

 

I have no problem with bringing in Parcells, it wont happen but I wouldn't have an issue with it. Everyone knows he would be a short term solution...but he turns teams around........look at what he did for the Pats.....they were the laughing stock of the league before he came to town.Honestly we would be a great challenge for a big name coach. Lets face it..we need a facelift bad. We need to uproot this team and start over on alot of positions.

 

I've heard really good things about the VIP board, but then I keep reading these posts on here like it's an escape from peoples opinions. I don't know why anybody would mind peoples diverse opinions on a message board? If someone can explain the VIP further, It's be great as I plan on joining when the board opens up again.

As far as rookie coaches go....I've had my fill of on-the-job learning as far as Phins coaches go. I woud like someone who can take their HC experiences and use them to make us better. How many games will we have to lose and chalk up to "rookie HC mistakes"?

 

Jason leaving was no blunder CR.. he is a Cowboy at heart, and Jerry's offer of OC was his dream job.. There was nothing we could offer him to stay, and IMO, he will be the next HC of the boys.. and he knows it. No way we can secure his services.

And I also think there is zero chance cowher considers us.. he will coach Carolina or nothing.. imo..

 

I think, with a HC who has experience, this team is not 0-11. I wanted Cam, but seeing the same mistakes week in and week out makes me long for someone who has been in the fire and knows how to handle in game decisions. Herm Edwards is still making the same mistakes he made in his rookie season.

I am amped about this years draft. We added players (plural) for the first time in a long time. I just hope the
learning curve for Cam doesn't end up hurting this team in the long run.

How long can the young guys lose before they forget how to win? We see the defense cave in week in and week out in a crucial spot, like they have done dating back to JJ. We have seen dropped passes in week in and week out dating back to Wanny. How much of this is learned behavior?

 

Well that is what we are doing, and yet people dont like it as if winning 2 games is so much better than 0 or 1. Maybe we finish 1-15 under Cam, under Parcells we finish 4-12, 5-11 3 to 4 games better. yet in year 3 Parcells is gone and we have to find a new coach. If you go after an existing winner, why is he free? Did he burn out? Does he still have the fire, and if so for how long? Will it be another short term fix and more changes?

All these guys that are Coord being mentioned, Garrett, Chow, etc have never been head coaches, yet you guys have full faith they would come in and be great because of how well they are doing now. Well guess what? Cam was them the last 2 years.

Cam may be what you say, but he may not. Garrett may be the wonder kid but A - he went to a team that already rebuilt, so comparing what he is doing in Dallas does not mean he could translate that success here under our circumstances, furthermore his system may not fit with Cams, B - because he is doing good as a coord doesnt mean he would have anymore success than Cam, you run the same risks.

Rookies in every profession private, public, sports or entertainment make mistakes. Can teh mistakes be corrected? Does the person show any growth, indicating he can learn? None of that means mistakes are over and wont be made but does he learn from them? A couple games in extenuating circumstances wont tell you, you need a larger sample.

I am an auditor, I will analize it this way. If I am reviewing a companies asset listing, the individual # of assets total say 2500, if I look at a specific type of asset but not the rest, I cannot reasonably predict the accuracy and completeness of teh whole by one segment of the classification, too many variables to consider. You have to look at the bigger picture and look at a wide array of the items in question.

For reviewing the coach, you have to factor in what he had to start with, what was the resources he has had to build with, how much time he has, how is he received by teh players, are the execution mistakes because players dont believe or are they cohesion, experience and/or familiarity issues that can and do improve? if it is teh latter, then you have to expand the time frame you cover to make that judgment. If it is teh former, you have to consider how wide spread the disbelief is, that is, is it a couple players that are set in their ways that have created division where replacing those players improves unity and execution or is the team unified against the coach?

I honestly cant see how you look at this team and say teh lack of execution is due to teh team being unified against Cam. They practice hard, stay late, study and prepare hard, are united as a TEAM. They have improved in the face of continuous injuries forcing numerous line up shifts.

Sidebar - I really am baffled at how noone believes teh reason why we havent won a few games isnt significantly due to all the injuries and lineup shuffles we have endured. I dont understand it. People claim supporters are wearing rose colored glasses, I say many naysayers are wearing black covered glasses.

Factoring everything in, including teh mistakes while considering the injuries and the mistakes of teh past dumped on Cam, I truely believe that Cam deserves next year to show that these issues were the overriding factors in this seasons demise.

 

You cant blame bad playcalling, and questionable personnel changes, drafts, on injuries. We are not winning, and yes alot of that is due to the fact that we are playing with a skeleton crew. But you have to look past the injuries and our record and think about some of the choices he has made. Granted he is a first year NFL head coach. But he has been coaching for a long time. I'm all for giving him another year or two, but if he continues to progressively make questionable moves, and or seems to be making us worse as a team, the plug needs to be pulled quickly.

 

Good post Beck. I want a HC that wins games with his decisions, not loses them. All I hear are excuses for Cam. I think that this team has expired all of it's excuses. We are a poorly prepared team, and our coach is in way over his head. We have an ex-OC as our HC and he can't even figure out how to manage an NFL game? He can't even manage play-calling at the end of halfs? If he had a handle on football basics, we wouldn't be winless right now. Think of that. Doesn't than seem kinda messed up? He can go learn somewhere else and cost another team wins.
After 16 games, if the Phins are still a worse team then Cam inherited, then he should be fired, absolutely.
As much as we desperately need some continuity around here, we also need some success.

 

Exacty, and what makes it even harder on Cam is he's playing HC and pretty much OC as well.

 

LOL is that what I said? Nope. You expect perfection from Cam, you blame all the losses from poor execution on personnel changes and playcalling, without any other consideration. Drafts? he had one draft as head coach sorry but the Eddie Moore's cant be blamed on Cam nor the trade for the Feeleys et al on Cam. No matter how hard you try.

Y ou can question teh Green/Cpepp and Porter moves on Cam, but seriously do you really think teh effects of those 2 moves were so traumatic that the effect on wins was so great that had they went the other way we would be in contention now? Do you really? Wow if so.

Playcalling, yes msiatkes have been made. Cam is aggresssive and innovatice that look horrible when teh players cant execute them, but he has gotten better, he has had numerous switches at many positions, he will alter as much as he can based on who he has while trying not to be predictable. It is extremely easy to question a decision once teh results are known, but unfortunatley you cannot do that making the decisions. You also cannot be scared to call something risky at times in order to confuese teh defense and get them on their heels. I can see it now, we get another 1st and goal at the 1 and try 2 runs up the middle and 2 playaction passes that dont work and the B*tch will be that why didnt he try to go outside at all? Bad decisoion by Cam. Your using the results to say you want a doover. Doesnt work.

Not saying there werent times that Cam didnt outthink himself and leave you scratching your head, he has. But so has Parcells, Cowher, Garrett and others. The diff is that they when they were doing well had teh players that could make up for the mistakes and because of teh increased opportunities scored more points, rendering teh mistakes moot and in the shadows. Our perosnnel is young and inexpeirenced, so the msitakes are more glarified as a result of inexperience and less opportunities. SO when you get them you miss, it is a dam we missed on it. As experience comes, stabilty comes, mistakes reduce and opportunities increase and production increases.

Say what you want, believe what you want, again, teh grass aint always greener, sometimes it isnt solely the grass.

 

I dont expect perfection from any NFL coach. Its a hard job to be a coach period. I cant imagine the pressure, etc. he goes through on a daily basis. And I can respect him for wanting to try everything once, or even twice. But you cant honestly think that he cant be held at least partially responsible for some of the transactions that have seriousely flopped. And your right the grass is greener on the other side. Heck we hardly have any green grass at all, Porter's 30 mil is eating it all up!

 

As far as the "aggressive" play-calling goes; there's a fine line between stupid and clever.

 

What are you talking about? The only Dolphins HC to ever be a rookie NFL head coach before Cameron was Nick Saban, and he, like Cameron, had extensive NFL experience and had been a head coach in college. Saban saw more success than Cameron in college, but that's all.

Don Shula: coached the Baltimore Colts before coaching the Miami Dolphins.
Jimmy Johnson: coached the Dallas Cowboys before coaching the Miami Dolphins.
Dave Wannstedt: coached the Chicago Bears before coaching the Miami Dolphins.
Nick Saban: served as defensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns under Bill Belichick, served as head coach of LSU.
Cam Cameron: served as offensive coordinator of the San Diego Chargers under Marty Schottenheimer, served as head coach of Indiana.

Actually, phrasing it like that, Saban and Cameron are pretty similar, except that Cameron's success came from the NFL level, while Saban's came from college.

 

I do hold him accountable, I do believe he has made mistakes, many. What my point is, would thoise mistakes be so auspicious looking had the talent been better and consistent? Many mistakes are rookie related and yes he may have too much on his plate. Changes are needed, firing Cam isnt the change I believe that is needed. I do believe Shea will be promoted and Green could be hired as coach if he decides he is retiring.

I also believe a shakeup on defense is in the plans as well with a heavy focus there in teh draft. while adding a couple o-lineman and wr. I think some older vets are traded to get picks, I believe we will trade down and get more picks.

I would also love getting Asomouagha(sp) from teh faiders in FA.

Then next year the evaluations should be more telling of Cam.

Like I said every coach makes bonegheaded calls in every game, human nature. But when in context of teh game as a whole may or may not be glaring.

 

Agreed, except with trading down. I don't see us doing that after the first round, and beyond that, it's nearly impossible to trade the #1 overall pick away. We're stuck with it.

Nnamdi Asomugha will be franchised if the Raiders' front office is even partially competent. Don't count on him being available. A better free agent prospect, both in terms of salary cap implications and actual availability, is Seattle's Marcus Trufant.

If we can somehow scam Atlanta into thinking we'll take Brian Brohm, I can see us swapping first round picks, Atlanta sending us both of their 2nd round picks, and DeAngelo Hall. I'm not saying that's likely, nor is it even the most desirable way to fix our secondary (I'm not a Hall fan), but it's a faint possibility.

 

Excuse me? Cam turned Ronnie Brown from being a solid back into leading the league in yards from scrimmage - that's nothing? We average well over 4 yards per carry rushing - that's nothing? Prior to Green's injury, we advanced from being one of the league's worst passing offenses to a mediocre one - that's nothing?

Yes, there have been some questionable calls; every team has those. Remember when everyone complained about Linehan not running the ball enough? Remember when everyone complained about Mularkey being, ah, well, Mularkey? It's funny; when Cam successfully went for it on five 4th downs early in the season, everyone was praising him for his guts. Now the very same people complain bitterly about going for it. And what's even funnier is the fact that those successful 4th downs were worse calls than the ones against Pittsburgh.

Strangely enough, nobody is questioning the statue of liberty play. What's the difference between that gimmick play and the Philly one or the Booker sneak. There isn't one - except that it worked. I've no problem with people criticising the playcalling; but at least make sure your point is consistent. Bashing Cam for the high risk plays that didn't work while ignoring the ones that actually did work doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

a I see what your are saying but like teh 4 and 1 on a team w/o much success, if that play worked how positive would that have been for teh TEAM PSYCHE? Postives breed confidence, the fg is expected there. You need a boost in confidence, he showed them he believed. It didnt work, but the effects are the same. He also had to factor in the chances of being at the 1 yd line again vs the time left and factored in we needed both to ties was it harder to get 1 yd on 1 play or get the td later with little time and many yards?

 

I should have been more clear, trading down in teh 1st was what I meant.

I like Trufant as well and love to get him, but Asomugha is young and a stud.

 

Right, our last 2 coaches. That's what I was talking about.

 

I personally would want Cowher without a shadow of a doubt, i dont actually think we will get him though. I want Cowher because i want a HC who is tried and trusted and has tasted success and still wants it. He isnt past 60 and may still be huingry with a new team. Im getting bored of try-out Head Coaches. We all know about Saban and Cam ISNT doing well enough for my liking. To go 0-11 is beyond a joke whatever our injury woes and Defensive struggles. If we go Jason Garrett we are once again going into the unknown and i for one am getting sick of it. No disrespect to Garrett because he might turn out to be the next Shula for all i know but i want stabilty and solid leadership right now at Head Coach and i dont want question marks going into next season with a Heach Coach who is unproven. Cam Mark II we may get but who knows. Cowher for me.

 

ive been a stern cam supporter, but its hard not to notice the questionable decisions hes made piling up, the clock management is killing me... the inconsistancies in play calling is annoying me (hes super agressive to go for it on 4th downs, but super conservative most other times, huh?)... but i still have faith, i dont want him fired, i just want him to hire a young OC who he can groom and hopefully can become a stud...

 

He def. needs to lighten his coaching load.

 

Yep. Only one other NFL team has HC doing O-Co-ordinator job. Way too much for a rookie HC.