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Barry Jackson sports buzz: Egnew to be split out more as a receiver this year?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, May 29, 2014.

  1. sandcastle

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    His move to FB occurred at the beginning of the season with the playbook designed with few FB pass routes. With a full off-season and Egnew's college success with producing on short, outside passes, I anticipate that he will emerge as a FB receiver. A hint of this may have been with Ogbuehi flashing during rookie camp as he's likely to have gain an edge with Tannehill off-season sessions that Wallace(and most WRs) did not attend.

    Additionally, I think Egnew will benefit from Moreno's versatility to pass block or release into a route; allowing Egnew to reset or use motion to identify when he's in a favorable match-up.

    As for inline TE, how often did the Eagles use one and did they ever use extra OL? Dolphins now have a young, athletic linemen that may be an option if the other TEs cannot effectively run block.
     
  2. jdang307

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    Except the unqualified part is snide. Could have left that part out.

    Here is to hoping Egnew takes the next step. He's caught what, 7 passes? Can he at least get to Jared Cook's current level, which itself is a disappointment with all that potential (Cook isn't particularly agile or physical)
     
  3. Finrunner

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    For all the lumps he's taken, Egnew doesn't seem to have had his confidence obliterated. On the contrary, he seems to be a real coachable guy (I get that coachable is meaningless without talent). Last off-season, after being told he wasn't tough enough, I believe he did the MMA classes. He worked hard enough to be at least a passable blocker from the fullback position, and he's had a handful of catches in games. He was much better last year than he was in year one.

    To me, Egnew's biggest problem has always been that what the Dolphins have wanted him to do (mostly block) was the skill that was most outside of his skillset. Instead of taking Egnew's strengths and playing to those so that he might hit his ceiling, they focused on his weaknesses and tried to bring up his floor. That's the wrong way to go about it, in my opinion. Maybe it was just a case of the coaching staff wanting one thing, and Jeff Ireland getting them something else when he was drafted. Still, once you see a player and find his strengths, I think it's on the coaching staff to make the most of those, and on Egnew, I think our coaching staff has come up way short.

    The one other item that sort of sticks in my craw is that the feeling of the coaching staff seemed to transferred to the other players about Egnew, particularly Tannehill. Going back into the recesses of my memory banks (apologize if this is a little off) I remember a couple years ago, someone - it was probably CK - diagrammed a play on these forums where Egnew, I think it was on a wheel route from the TE position, was wide open -- no one covered him -- and he probably wasn't the last read on the particular play, but Tannehill still chose to go elsewhere. And I don't think that was an isolated incident; I think that's happened a few times.

    Anyway, it at least sounds like Lazor is playing to Egnew's strengths. That's a good thing. In some of the preseason games and a catch or two in the regular season, it seems I remember Egnew making some really good receptions, some in tight coverage and some where the ball placement was difficult for him. I have no idea what kind of player that Egnew can become, but a year ago, there was a lot of doubt about Charles Clay... and now he's # 80-something on the NFL's Top 100 players. If Clay can make a jump like that, it stands to reason that Egnew can make a somewhat lesser jump at least into respectability.
     
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  4. ckparrothead

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    Charles Clay is a good lesson in all this about how opportunities can dictate a guy's fate. People forget that during Hard Knocks, Mike Sherman yelled at Charles Clay just as bad as he did Egnew and Clay only caught like 18 passes in 2012.

    A year later D.J. Swearinger detonates Dustin Keller's knee and Charles Clay is a top 10 fantasy tight end.

    So much of this is about opportunities.
     
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  5. xphinfanx

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    This is very true.
     
  6. ckparrothead

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    I suspect the Eagles tight end usage had to do with individual skill sets because Celek was used in the slot only 34% of routes while Ertz was used in the slot 43%.

    Miami had Charles Clay in the slot 51% of the time and they had Egnew in the slot 48% of the time.

    So I don't know if I'm buying that we have great signs yet that they're going to use Michael Egnew differently.

    However, the fact of the matter is right now he's the #2 guy and he doesn't have great competition for that role. So that alone leads me to believe he could get more opportunities.
     
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  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Imagine having a coach that tries to utlize the talent that is currently on the team and adjusts to give the team the best chance to win.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    I think there have absolutely been times when Egnew has been open and Tannehill didn't bother looking for him. Yes I do fully believe that a lack of confidence in him caught on with Tannehill and I hope that starts to reverse.
     
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  9. SICK

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    Ya well Clay beat out Egnew for those opportunities, its not like they closed their eyes and threw a dart at the roster.
     
  10. ToddPhin

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    Panties in a wad much over your new diet? Firstly, it's as much my right to ask if he has anything else besides unqualified opinion about the subject as it is everyone else's right to post generalized opinions like you're crusading in support of. I guess you've never asked someone to provide a link to a post to concretely back up what they're saying because you're more interested in fact than opinion at the time, huh? If you have, that makes you a giant hypocrite.

    Secondly, all the stuff you just said is still unqualified. Here are the actual facts:
    1. Hard knocks was 2 damn years ago.

    2. The anonymous statement was 2 damn years ago. Since that time, Egnew has most certainly made strides, as confidently noted by the coaching staff last year which seemed to contradict fan opinion that Egnew is a POS, which you ignored amidst your impotent rant.

    3. Clay rising as a top player is irrelevant to Egnew's future. The team carries more than 1 TE. If anything, Clay rising as a top player serves to increase Egnew's value b/c he's the only player currently capable of replacing Clay's role as the starting move TE should injury occur. No but you're right, it makes more sense to suddenly switch the entire scheme to accommodate predominantly inline TE stuff if Clay suffers injury b/c who needs continuity right? :unsure:

    4. How does Miami drafting a TE equate specifically to the end of Egnew even though there's another TE on the roster- Sims. If Miami were looking to replace Egnew's job, they likely would've appropriately drafted a move TE/Hback to do so. Instead they drafted an inline TE, so what does that tell you? On a team that should only be carrying one inline TE, it suggests to me that Dion Sims' job is the one most in jeopardy, not Egnew's.

    5. What leads you to believe Hickey wants to dump Egnew and leave Lazor with just one "move TE" despite camp reports of Lazor utilizing TE's in space and out wide and despite Philly not rostering multiple inline tight ends last year or this? Heck, the Eagles haven't rostered a single TE at Dion Sims' size under Chip Kelly. In fact the average weight of their 3 TE's last year was 248 pounds, and the average of their 5 TEs this year is 247 pounds. Here are the weights in order of importance: 249, 255, 240, 245, 248...... but according to your deductive ability, Hickey for some odd reason plans to handcuff Lazor with a 255, 265, and 258 pound TE trio, and all this stuff about Lazor using tight ends in space and splitting them out wide is just one big giant farce even though he's actually doing it in practice, right? Philly used and is still using a "move" TE in Ertz, an inline TE with move ability in Celek, and an H-back in James Casey, but the underlying point is all 3 can be moved around in some fashion. Based on camp so for, Egnew seems to be performing Ertz's role, which Sims and Lynch clearly aren't capable of. This isn't surprising considering Ertz & Egnew are of similar size, combine measurables, and athleticism. For all intents and purposes, Clay is our Celek, but he has the versatility to do what Casey does, as does Egnew. Based on the fact Lazor seems to be bringing much of Philly to Miami, it'd be incredibly redundant and counterproductive to the proper utilization of a 53 man roster to view both Sims AND Lynch in the long term plans.

    5. Philbin has a history of restricting snap counts for players who aren't well-versed with the offense, to the point it prevented seasoned veterans from contributing or even cracking the lineup, so the chances of undrafted Gator Hoskins replacing Egnew's job this year is incredibly slim unless he utterly blows the doors off the preseason.
     
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  11. padre31

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    I've said the same thing..for yrs

    NFL is very much a "can I trust you to do your job" league

    Eggnog, has all of the tools, he is just not trusted per se, that falls on THill tbh

    Does Peyton Manning just x out guys running routes?

    Nope

    Thill's failing is he trusts Bline so much he excludes other receivers it is something he has to grow past, not seeing a wide open Eggnog, missing an open Wallace, not using his legs effectively, that falls on him not the talent around him
     
  12. SICK

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    I have thousands of posts here, of course I have asked for a link or source. But what I haven't done, is ask for it like an entitled prick who has to also passive-aggressive put the poster down too (unless it was to samphin or mclovin).

    I agree with your points, I never said I agreed he was being cut, or in risk, but I mentioned reasons why someone "unqualified" as a fan of a team on a message board would maybe piece together and think there is a chance it could happen. You know as damn well as I do, that if you were just asking for a source, there are far better ways or polite ways of asking. This wasn't "Darrelle Revis" you were asking on here, it's another Dolfan who is participating on this message board during the slowest time of the year for the NFL, so you know he's a dedicated fan. No need to be an assclown. So yes, I was on the crusade to support.

    And nothing "leads me to believe" Hickey WANTS to replace Egnew, but lets be honest.....he was an Ireland boy. It's been reported Philbin didnt like him. Now Ireland and Gaine are gone, Philbin is still here, and there is also no proof the new GM or OC wants anything to do with him. No proof either way, but to come on here acting as if you know it all because you can debunk "unqualified" opinions on the matter with "statute of limitations" on hardknocks....doesnt mean you know any more than anyone else the thought process or the plans for Egnew.

    You're as unqualified as anyone. And I have plenty of "sources", click your "user posts" link :shifty:
     
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  13. ckparrothead

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    Just having reviewed the film of the throws in his direction I can say that he:

    1. Beat Alfonzo Dennard in man coverage on an out route for an 11 yard gain
    2. Beat Lavonte David in man coverage on an out route for a 7 yard gain from inside the red zone on 1st & 10
    3. Failed to make the right route adjustment in man coverage with Lavonte David, cutting hard to the outside instead of pushing the corner route
    4. Beat Aqib Talib in man coverage on a stick route for a 14 yard gain on 3rd & 15
    5. Failed to get open against Jamie Collins in man coverage on an out route resulting in an incomplete pass

    Kind of a mixed bag. He caught a couple more balls against Atlanta, NE and Carolina but they were the sort where he didn't have to necessarily beat anyone to get open.
     
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  14. padre31

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    Blog Talk Radio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    TP has no idea how long you've been down for the 'Phins,

    Eggnog is a lock for the roster imo, Cautious Joe had plenty of chances to exclude him, yet found ways to keep him active on gamedays
     
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  15. SICK

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    I agree he stays. I don't think it's because he's some great TE. I think we have such **** TEs, hes the "tallest midget" so to speak.
     
  16. padre31

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    Not 100%, do think he is being given opportunity after opportunity

    Real test will be when Finley is ready to go on a 1 yr prove it deal
     
  17. SICK

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    His agent just came out and said he was cleared.
     
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  19. LBsFinest

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    a log jam? we have ONE guy, every other TE on the team hasn't done ****. and who cares about a log jam when the player you're considering signing is better than everyone you have?
     
  20. Disgustipate

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    I don't think Egnew or Sims or Lynch should stop you from signing anyone else.
     
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  21. ToddPhin

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    No, it's not snide. Opinions aren't limited in scope to one type.

    Had I left out unqualified, it would've simply read, "What would lead you to make this statement other than personal opinion?", which takes on a different meaning and suggests I couldn't care less about Unlucky13's opinion in general, and that would've been wrong and misrepresentative of my question b/c Unlucky's personal opinion could've been based on some new revelation he heard about Egnew that would've made his opinion more qualified than the majority of the forum's unqualified ones.
     
  22. Den54

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    Yeah I agree. I would just really love to find our own TE that we develop into a stud. I think Clay is great and all but I would love to see a dark horse rise to power.

    I would like to see a few years down the road people talking about how the Dolphins were smart enough to draft this guy and yada yada yada.
     
  23. RickyBobby

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    Is rather have egbew and Hoskins than hazel and binns
     
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    Show was legit, vanilla ice...Daryl Gardener...Simon
     
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  25. MrClean

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    Agree too about Gator. I'd say he has at least as good a chance as some of our late picks of making the team. Granted he did not play as many positions in college as Clay did, but just watching him on the field, they sure remind me of one another.
     
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  26. MrClean

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    Who is this Cautious Joe person you refer to?
     
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  31. jdallen1222

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    That definately sounds better. The way you originally said it, you sounded like an *******.
     
  32. dolfan40

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    I think if we Carry 4 Te

    Clay
    Egnew
    Sims
    Hoskins


    Lynch Practice Squad..
     
  33. Den54

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    You don't send 5th rd picks to the practice squad.
     
  34. dolfan40

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    I'm Deadsure Hoskins makes the Roster he is a Charles Clay clone but faster!!

    Then it comes down to Sims vs Lynch

    Cause they have the same Skillset.
     
  35. ToddPhin

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    yes, it might've "sounded" better.... but like I said, that would've implied a disregard for his personal opinion in general, and I wasn't looking to do that if it happened to be based on some sort of qualified information that I wasn't aware of. Mostly all the opinions here are unqualified, so it's not like I was being insulting or talking down to him. I don't have a degree in NFL Roster Management and am not privy to qualified information, so my opinion is just as unqualified as anyone else's in this thread.

    I perhaps could've worded it better by asking if his opinion were based on any qualified information that he hadn't mentioned, but still- you guys overreacted and some posters became as big or bigger ***holes in response than they thought I was being in my post. So how is that appropriate and non hypocritical- choosing to act like an ***hole themselves and derailing the thread in the process b/c they believe someone else is allegedly sounding like an ***hole?
     
  36. Todd cut the crap and cut off one of your appendages as an apology. Give them the blood and pound of flesh they demand so we can get back to arguing if eggnog is good enough to hold his place on a mediocre talented roster.

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  37. PhinishLine

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    Isn't Clay the darkhorse that rose to power?


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  38. Disgustipate

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    I don't think Egnew is comparable to Clay. It took Clay longer than expected to get his **** together, but the guy flashed significant talent early as a rookie. Egnew hasn't done that.
     

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