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Mike Pouncey has a framed Aaron Hernandex Jersey in his house.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Tone_E, May 20, 2014.

  1. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Something tells me we might be moving on from Pouncey at some point. I wouldn't be shocked if 2015 was his last year here. People acting like this is no big deal don't have to pay him millions of dollars a year and risk looking like a fool if the guy winds up disgracing the organization. His behavior has to be setting off some alarms in the organization, I'm sorry but this stuff would be a HUGE issue for you if you have to invest 10s of millions of dollars of your money in a player. We saw last year how a locker room cancer can destroy a franchise and keep a team from winning. Do I think Pouncey is there yet? No, but we are getting to the point where signs are pointing heavily towards Pouncey being a huge dbag at best and maybe something much worse.
     
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  2. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Oh come on, who really cares....first off, Hernandez may or may not be a thug and killer, but do you think Pouncey went out and bought the jersey AFTER Hernandez was indicted ?? Not likely. They were teammates at UF, and Hernandez was pretty successful in the NFL before he was indicted....Much ado about nothing here...

    There are probably 1000's of those things in folks houses all over the country...does that have any bearing on what or who those people who have them are now ??

    There certainly are more important things to worry about than that...
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    I'm a little confused by your point about Pouncey probably not buying the Hernandez jersey after Hernandez was indicted. Why does that even matter? He most certainly purchased or accepted the custom made "Free Hernandez" hats he was pictured wearing after Hernandez was arrested.

    He clearly still supports the guy and I think that's a bad call. And it's not a stretch of the imaginating (since he was involved in one shooting incident back at Florida) to think Pouncey has known for a long time that Hernandez is involved in gang activities that may or may not include ending peoples' lives.

    I don't require my football players to be angels. But it would be nice if they wouldn't go out of their way to associate with and show support for known murderers. It would also be nice if they weren't at the center of investigations over potential worksite harrassment. Or if they didn't put out nationally publicized, embarrassing and inappropriate tweets about hazing a rookie after having just gone through a sh-t storm related to his practice of hazing rookies.
     
  4. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    I know I'll take heat for this post. But I'm just thinking back to the 2010 draft now. With all of these known stories about Pouncey allegedly being involved in these altercations I'm real surprised he went as high as he did. Highest a C has ever been taken IIRC.

    I'd assumed accusations like this dropped prospects. I mean there are so many examples of that happening. Maybe Ireland just didn't care. Maybe he didn't know. Maybe he thought those days were behind Pouncey.

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  5. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I am saying you are misapplying your knowledge.
     
  6. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I get it now. Thanks.

    The law is what it is, and it is what it is for a reason. I'm not arguing that either discrimination by private clubs or association by race on Twitter is or is not morally right, socially desirable, or even in good taste. I am just stating for information that, under the correct circumstances, both are protected by freedom of association, and that sometimes these legal protections cut both ways in racial polemics. It's fair comment. What others do with that information, or think of it, is their concern.
     
  7. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Neither point is subject to debate, except for the "known murderer" part, which is all I have a problem with before the jury comes back. It's a matter of using judgment when you're flying the flag of the franchise. It was indisputably bad judgment to act as an advocate for Hernandez during an open investigation and an ongoing judicial proceeding, as it was to send that abysmally stupid tweet about rookie hazing. I'm sure he's been counseled.
    But this thread started with a picture taken in a place where Pouncey had a right to expect privacy. He did not publish it as a piece of advocacy or showing of support for Hernandez, or publish it at all. I don't think it's right to punish him for possession of framed jersey in living room.
     
  8. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Sorry, I said that I thought he likely had that jersey long before Hernandez was indicted. Look, I personally am not sure that both are thugs, but that's my opinion. My thought is that there is enough evidence that Pouncey supported Hernandez long before he was indicted for murder and that folks shouldn't get too upset about the fact that he has an autographed Hernandez jersey on his wall for that reason... The guys were together in school, team mates for 3-4 years so it's not unusual that he supports him. The morality of whether he should publicly support Hernandez, in light of the indictment, is quite a different story than whether there is something wrong with him having that jersey and I am not arguing that morality in any light.

    Admittedly, I haven't been reading every post, in fact my response was directed at the OP.
     
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  9. I think its kind of strange that some of the people who gave Pouncy a free pass for his involvement of bullying Martin are getting bent out of shape over a Jersey that is hanging in the privacy of his own home.

    I agree with CDZ on this in that the guy has not even been convicted of a crime yet and your condemning a freind of his for not abandoning him. Innocent people do get arrested.

    I dont know how a person is supposed to get a fair trial when the jurors are rushing to judgement, half-cocked. Hiring a public relations expert to control the spin has become as important as hiring an attorney at this point.
     
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  10. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    You do know public opinion has nothing to do with innocent before guilty right? That is what trials are for.
     
  11. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We aren't talking about public opinion, we are talking about Pouncey's opinion. And to really play devil's advocate on this, maybe the only reason he still has the jersey is that he realizes that its value has been going up since the indictment.
     
  12. LiferYank

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    I really doubt a guy making millions is concerned with the value of a single jersey....
     
  13. PhinsRDbest

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    Was it next to his OJ Simspson framed jersey or the Ray Lewis?
     
  14. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    in a perfect world, it has nothing to do with it.
     
  15. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure pouncey knew the deal with Hernandez before we did. He might not be as wannabe as some assume.
     
  16. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The problem is that jurors are often tainted by pretrial public opinion. When questioning prospective jurors, defense attorneys often ask the question: "if you had to vote on the guilt or innocence of this man right now, before the trial starts, how would you vote?" If the answer is anything except "not guilty" (because the defendant is presumed innocent and the juror has heard no evidence on which to base a guilty verdict), the juror is tainted. It's a big problem with high-media-exposure cases.
     
  17. Pauly

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    Is it just me, or is Pouncey a follower not a leader?

    With all the bad ju-ju he gets into it's always as somebody else's lapdog. With the incidents involving Incognito and Hernandez they were the big dogs and he was the little dog yapping behind them. Now this stuff about supporting Hernandez comes out at again it seems to me that he's being someone else's tool - I mean thaere are meaningful and adult ways he can support someone he feels is wrongly charged with murder than the stuff he's done.

    Leaving aside the issue of criminality and stupidity he just seems to me to be severely lacking in the leadership department. And this is a guy we're supposed to be relying on to provide veteran leadership to a rebuilt O-line this year? Makes me think that our O-line revamp isn't going to be spectacular success some may think.
     
  18. Vertical Limit

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    The problem about replacing him is no one will trade more than a 4th round pick for the guy because they know he's a ticking time bomb, so the value to keep him is greater.. we need to get his replacement in the future though... He's solid, not "great".
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    We are talking about the Dolphins opinion of Pouncey. They don't have the luxury of waiting for trials to conclude.

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  20. Conuficus

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    The dark side of the force.
     
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  21. pocoloco

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    I don't particularly care how a man decorates his own house.

    That jersey will be worth good money in the future. Hernandez is like the all-time master villain of the NFL.
     
  22. jdang307

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    I don't know for sure but I find it highly possible he put that jersey up after Hernandez was indicted.
     
  23. PhinishLine

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    I personally don't think the Dolphins have the luxury of getting rid of Pouncey. A team as devoid of top tier talent as we are, can't just go getting rid of Pro-Bowlers just to make statements, especially when as much of a pain in the *** as Pouncey is....he's tyipcally the secondary party in most of these incidents. Pouncey didn't kill anybody, and Pouncey wasn't the one who Martin says was terrorizing him. He's always the bridesmaid, never the bride. While it sticks in our crawl....there are players that have stayed on rosters for 10 years doing way more.
     
  24. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fair enough but don't you think the Dolphins should find out why Pouncey still has the jersey up before they start lining up with pitch forks?
     
  25. RickyBobby

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    It is none of their business.

    I wouldn't care if the guy had a hitler shrine, let alone a jersey of his friend and college roommate.
     
  26. PhinishLine

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    Not unless the Dolphins are trying to build a case for Pouncey to sue them.
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    They shouldn't get rid of him while he's making as little as he is now. But when he starts making $7MM+, then they absolutely need to seriously evaluate the situation. It isn't hard to go find Pro Bowl caliber players when you're paying top dollar.
     
  28. bigbry

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    No, don't be ridiculous.... it was next to his Jefferey Dahmer blowwwww up doll.
     
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  29. Larryfinfan

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    If they had not been team mates at UF, I might agree...but I think he probably got it at Hernandez' party after signing the big deal....

    Seriously, none of really know, but the assumption that he's had it all along is more plausible than not...
     
  30. ElNino

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    ....on the plus side, at least he's not blowing his NFL earnings on furniture, obviously
     
  31. Deerless Dice

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    The jersey will be a collectors item one day, the Patriots offered jersey swaps for everyone who had one and that took many out of circulation. Still not the reason why Pouncey has it framed though.
     
  32. VManis

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    I don't think the jersey hanging in his house is a big deal. I was responding to Stinger who suggested that the Dolphin's FO would form an opinion based on it and was suggesting that if they do so they should talk to Pouncey because there could be a number of different reasons why he still has it in his house.

    Personally I'm more concerned with the subpoena he was served.
     
  33. PhinishLine

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    I agree to an extent. If they don't have anybody to adequately replace him, lowball and see where his head is at. Or incentivize the hell out the contract, especially if he's on his best behavior this year.
     
  34. jdang307

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    But did Pouncey get served a subpoena based on dealings with Hitler? No. But he did here.
     
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  36. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I can't believe how many people have such strong opinions about what someone has hanging on their wall.
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    What's most disgusting about that stupid *** picture is that they thing being a G is a fu@&ing game and that they don't have the intelligence to know that someone their repping was killed in cold blood, regardless if he did it or not, that fact doesn't change..like it's cool or something, their idiots, idiots who need to get checked.
     
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  39. padre31

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    Ppl are going to cluck, just the nature of the sports Biz.

    Personally I believe Pouncey should examine "why" he is friends with Hernandez, however if he still believes Hernandez is a "good guy" and worthy of his friendship then by all means continue being his friend. Just realize it is a negative, not a positive to be associated with Hernandez..ie Hernandez is dragging him down with little to gain from it all.

    "word is bond"

    Indeed, while Pouncey is living his life Hernandez is contemplating the real possibility of a life, or multiple life sentences for murder simply b/c his loyalites misled him, Pouncey should think long and hard about it.
     
  40. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This alone, I think I could get over, although supporting a Patriot / murderer rubs me the wrong way. I find out my closest friend in the world snuffed the life out of 3 people (allegedly) with a mountain of evidence against him, I'm not publicly or privately supporting him. Unless I'm very much like him. This is just another piece of mounting evidence that Pouncey is pretty much a **** for a human being. But as long as he can remain relatively clean and be productive in the NFL, I'm not going to lose too much sleep over the guy.
     

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