The Miami Dolphins are inept collectively at Social Media

I think each individual point fits either the left or the right. Thankfully I'm neither.

 

It comes down to this, Jones or anyone else has the right to voice their opinions, including opposition to Jones' views.

If you have the right to say something offensive, someone else has the right to be offended. They also have the right to demand for your employer to disassociate themselves with the offensive comments. The business has the right to either disassociate themselves or not. The offending person has the right to work at that business or not.

Everything is working as intended.

For the ridiculous narrative that's being cried over to work, then you could go to work on your day off and tell all the customers that come in, that Hitler was right, women are a less than human, the homeless should be hunted and its your opinion every 3rd baby a family has should be fed to prisoners. Then when people start leaving and costing the business money, the boss wouldn't be allowed to do anything to that employee....cause herp, derp freedom, **** yeah!

 

So if an employer asks a person if they believe in global warming on an application and the person says yes in your minds thats enough of a reason to not hire them?

 

This really shouldn't be as hard as you're making it.

You have the right to piss off customers, and your employer has the right to reprimand/fire you for it or not. You also have the right to not work there if you don't like it.

This is called freedom, read up on it.

 

I'm trying to understand your position. If im understanding you correctly a company can do whatever it feels is in its best interests.

If I had a coal mine I could fire anyone who votes left cause their politics interfere with my business. If I owned a country club I could refuse blacks cause my customers dont like them.

 

Well a better move for the employer would probably be to hire that person since that answer makes sense...but if he asked the applicant if he believed in evolution and his answer is no, then that's another kind of problem..

 

You're not trying to understand anything, you're trying to justify your bizarre stance by attempting (and failing) to paint me into a corner.

Refusing service to black people is illegal so its a stupid hypothetical. My example (and the real life events that are actually happening) are about employees turning away customers. I assure you, you'd fire or reprimand someone if they cost you business.

Please, and I mean this in all sincerity, if you don't like it then move to the fictional country that has this fictional backwards concept of freedom that you clearly don't fully understand.

 

It is good to hear that Jones was talked to and fined for his idiotic tweets. He can believe what he wants but he should think before making public comments that could make the team look bad.

It is sad though IMO that people still hold this kind of belief in our society.

 

Depends on the job. Oil lobbyist, you betcha. Football players are entertainers. Public message and perception is hugely important to the job.

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Which one?

 

I specifically used the example to show you that your advocating for a new version of jim crow laws.

 

Thats fair but that type of logic can be manipulated to rationalize most anything

 

Which ones you mean.

If I was not on a phone I would give you a more thorough answer.

 

This wouldn't have even made news if Sam was kissing his 600 pound wife and somebody posted the same reaction. Should fat and ugly people receive the same public protection as homosexuals? You just can't have a negative opinion or disagree anymore without being labeled some kind of bigot.

 

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Oh wait, wrong Jones.

 

Exactly and there lies the problem.

 

One would think that we be common sense for most people.

 

I don't understand why you guys on the other side of this act like there is a law in place or something. The only public "protection" here is that people are sick of others discriminating against people bc of how they are born and public perception has changed. Yes, it is particularly strong when talking about race or sexuality bc of history, but honestly disparaging remarks about anything are viewed a lot differently than when I was younger.

Not going to go over again why an employer would be allowed to let go or discipline someone bringing negative attention to their business.

 

A Dolphin fan on twitter pretty much sums it up nicely:

 

I think it's a balance issue more than anything.

On the one hand I think most people can see how the NFL/Dolphins are permitted to regulate/discipline a player in the use of social media. On the other hand, there is a genuine concern, given the current social atmosphere, that a line might be crossed and freedoms begin to suffer.

Of course, I'm not saying that is what has happened here, but I think some people see that issue and want to highlight the risk.

To give a more specific example of what I mean we can look at Jones being disciplined and put through 'social media training' or whatever it's called.

If the course is designed and used to teach a player how the company expects him to use social media, especially as concerning various specific issues and company policy, then fine.
However, if the course is designed to teach a player what he should think about such issues, then things start to get sinister.

The problem with 'thought-police' is that as long as the thoughts being policed agree with your own thoughts, it's easy to let it slide. The principle, however, gets set, and then all it takes is for policy to change and all of a sudden you're the one in the cross-hairs.

That's just an illustration, though. I just wanted to point out that I think that a lot of those who bring up the issue in defense of Jones do so because they see/are thinking of the wider issue.

 

Allegedly.......

 

It's why I don't participate in social media, well other then here if that counts.

 

That's true of almost anything. It's the beauty of manipulation. The question is whether the Dolphins are being reasonable. With the attention that Sam got, with the attention that the Dolphins got recently for issues that we are all aware of, and finally with the very public stance of the NFL, I find it hard see the argument that they are being unreasonable. He did not make private statements. He purposefully went on Twitter and broadcasted his reaction to the public. He wasn't overheard making a private statement. That's what people seem to be struggling with. His reaction wasn't the problem, his tweets were. He can think-feel-say whatever he wants. Just do it privately. His job puts him in the public eye and representing his employer as they want in public is apart of that job. No public interest and no one pays someone to play a game.




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I get what you are saying, but again and as the comic explains, free speech only has to do with the government limiting you. Does it stink that society as a whole condemns certain things unequally and seeming applies double-standards in a lot of cases? Yes, but that is others exercising their right to free speech as well. What would be the alternative? Surely it's better than Russia and China, although they don't have problems with things being politically correct. There's not really anything you can do about it in a free society, we don't need more laws and regulations on the subject. Business will always protect itself monetarily and that means firing people that can potentially lose it business by alienating customers.

 

Talk about something that has been blown completely out of proportion. Ridiculous.

 

Understood and agreed. It's important to note, though, that this issue of offense/insult/tolerance/equality etc., especially as it relates to sexuality (although by no means limited to it), is a cultural issue that at times does spill over into areas of law and government. Indeed, cultural pressures often play a part in creating or influencing law and political stand points. I believe that's why at least some of the individuals who chime in on this, do so.

 

This is a very good way of putting it.
The movement of political correctness walks a very fine, VERY FINE line.
It crosses over that line in a vast number of instances as well.
If you police correctness to such a level that you almost unfairly penalize others you are in fact infringing on that person's rights.
I mean look at the NBA right now where they are attempting to force someone to give up OWNERSHIP of an organization legally purchased by an individual because of a comment. Now you're not just getting on a slippery slope, you're falling off a cliff.
There is big difference from making sure everyone has equal opportunities versus trying to force everyone to conceptually agree with other peoples beliefs.

Before I'm labeled anti Gay because of this stance I'll submit that I could care less.
I'm fine with Gay marriage, gay adoption of children and everything else. That said, I'm also smart enough to know that not everyone is going to accept that lifestyle and that no one should be forcing people to have to.

 

Rex Ryan and Tim Tebow are two my favorite targets. I believe my plunder of their personality quirks is justified.
lol

 

No, I meant which one, as in singular, because even that is being generous when it comes to equating any of those characteristics as being liberal. Liberal fascism is an oxymoron, same as compassionate conservatism.

 

I get what your saying and understand that from the Dolphins organizations viewpoint they probably are looking at it as protecting their product. That however does not change what a dangerous thing they are embarking in and the selectivity of it.

If they are going to punish people for their opinions than at the very least they should be very specific about what your not allowed to say or do, what the penalty is, and apply it equally across the board.

 

All sexual preference aside, fact is Sam isn't very good.......I would argue he got drafted because he is gay. His tape sucks, he blew it at the combine and interview process, he does have heart and determination however.....

He isn't even a lock to make St. Louis, they have one of the deeper lines in football......

In the end I think he will because keeping him around is a brilliant marketing strategy...

 

Fact is they went over the top with cake stuff. Reaction was justified.

No fine.

 

You say that, but he real problem is the media making a simple comment or reaction into somebody's belief then pushing that agenda onto an entire team. Did the Eagles attendance suffer last year because Riley Cooper was allowed to stay on the team? Does Chick-a-Filet suffer because they object and do not believe in gay marriage? In my opinion thats how you really know about how much the "public" really cares or lets these kinds of issues affect their lives. The simple fact is that these kinds of stories sell news papers and increase television ratings. The media is the driving factor in this whole situation. Would Don Jones even have been an issue if they treated Sam like a reagular 7th round draft pick who may not even make the team? No....They probably wouldn't have even mentioned him during the draft, Mel Kiper would have said Micheal who?? If equality is really what is the goal, stop pushing inequality in our faces.

 

Mel Kiper wouldn't know the SEC Defensive player of the year?

 

Yeah because I was being literal.

 

Wth is wrong with your logic maker? He can have a reaction...however, he can't do it on social media.....there's no need for it, except to create a reaction and tell people that he thinks it's gross. It's unwarranted and unprofessional. Would you want your workmate to go on social media and blast you for kissing what he deemed to be an ugly, fat, stupid...etc. girl? No, you wouldn't. There is NO PLACE for his reaction in the professional world. This is not a free speech thing when you come off as homophobic on social media and you are representing THE DOLPHINS. You know, the team that just went through a war of words in VMs, tweets, texts, and Facebook. It just shows lack of common sense and judgement.

His punishment was warranted, fined and suspended. He's now the example, I hope others get the message.