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Dolphins receive worst draft grade on NFL.com

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 13Machine8385, May 9, 2014.

  1. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    Well, on Day 1 he is a sucker.

    We'll have to wait to see the rest of the Draft
     
  2. zwave21

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    Guys, its foolish to focus on NFL.com or any other draft grade site because the favoritism is obvious. I for one can't be disappointed in addressing the biggest glaring need on our team which is solidifying the right side of our line. After Martin was scooped up by Dallas, then Shazier/Mosley were scooped up prior to our picks it was really coming down to a WR or OT.

    OT on the board: James, Koundijo, Moses, Bitinio
    WR on the board: Cooks, Lee, Benjamin, Robinson, Latimer, Matthews

    First thing when the pick came through and James was announced I was disappointed we didn't trade back to pick up an adiditonal pick and still have a shot at James later in round 1. Still, I don't think it was from a lack of effort, I am sure Hickey thought about trading back seeing as they used the whole time to make the selection. But, when it came down to it I think he viewed a trade down as a risk in losing a shot at James with some Tackle needing teams still on the clock. Those being the Cardinals, and Panthers specifically.

    On the other hand would I have loved Brandin Cooks to add another dimension to our offense but let's view it this way:

    We take Cooks at pick #19.... great but then we have to wait until pick #50 to address OL. At that point you can't guarantee any of the aforementioned still being on the board maybe besides Koundijo.

    Now looking at our pick and those coming up in round 2/3. The top WR's still on the board: Lee, Robinson, Latimer, Matthews, Adams, Moncrief, Landry, Ellington, Bryant, and Archer.

    Looking at that how could you be upset walking away with the best TRUE RT in the draft and a WR some who have received 1st round grades like Lee, Robinson, and Latimer.

    Give me James & Robinson > Cooks & Koundijo anyday of the week.
     
  3. bigbry

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    Thats a good post and one in need of respect.

    Of course one of the receivers you mention would have to be there at our next pick.
     
  4. Stitches

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    If NO was willing to give up a 3rd to move to 20, there's no guarantee the offered us the same. They could have a tentative deal in place with AZ before negotiating with us, and therefore had no incentive to offer the same deal. Maybe we were only offered a 4th.

    I also don't think it is a sure fire bet that James would be available if we moved down.

    Not sure why it is difficult to believe James was rated much higher than the other OL you mentioned either. Plenty of people have varying evaluations, not to mention teams have acces to medical info we don't which can influence evaluations.
     
  5. jw3102

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    The only thing which matters is if James can come in and be a quality starter from day one. If he is, it was a good pick. If instead, he doesn't become a starter immediately and the coaching staff lets him sit and learn for a year, as they so often do. The pick will be a waste for this coaching staff because the team will probably once again finish with a mediocre record and the coaching staff won't be around in 2015 to see how James develops.

    Right now I see the Patriots and the Bills with superior rosters to the Dolphins. The Jets and Dolphins, it appears will likely be fighting to stay out of the division cellar this season. While the Dolphins still have 6 picks to go, I think another 7-9 or 8-8 is about the best we can expect this coming season.
     
  6. Fin D

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    I agree with one caveat.....Fox may start because talent-wise Fox may be every bit as good as Albert. The problem with Fox is his health. I think its possible Fox starts and at some point is replaced by James due to injury at which point James won't relinquish the spot. If that all happens it was still a good pick.
     
  7. scotty_irnbru

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    There is too much whining from some fans. The idea that they genuinely know more than an nfl franchise is laughable. We wanted to trade down, it was no secret. So any team.approaching us is gonna be offering low. Is a 4th worth the risk? I dunno. I'd say no. I'd rather fill the hole and wait and see.
    As for draft grades 8 hours after the event, pfft, worthless chatter to fill the pages demanded by mindless chumps. A draft grade now is irrelevant, in a year it's still gonna be irrelevant. 3 years down and you can start to rate what you really got.
     
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  8. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Wow...that's amazing that you can predict this with the draft only one round in....simply amazing...
     
  9. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    What incentive was there for NO to deal with us ?? They KNEW we weren't in the market for a WR with our first pick... Who's to say the deal they wanted was for the same compensation as they gave away ?? That's a ludicrous statement to make not knowing the specifics....
     
  10. Sceeto

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    It was just the first pick. How can you give a draft grade now? ...and you can't really judge a draft for two to three years and in that time we'll be talking about those drafts and wold have already moved on from this one. It'a big circle jerk. Who gives a s--t? Just win baby!
     
  11. Phin5.0

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    A lot of what you've said is true, but the fact is if you keep plugging in good players to fill holes and contribute you only maintain the status quo and you don't improve. Which is what we've been watching as a we are a .500 ball club, hovering anywhere one or two games above or below 8-8.

    We could have traded down and still gotten the pick - But I don't care about that as much as other people. If you have a player targeted, it's more important to just commit and select that player than it is to play games and risk that you might lose them. Even if the risk is near minimal ( as it was in this case), it is still more risk than if you just draft him. Why introduce risk into the equation at all if you don't have to?

    But the problem is that there are going to be at least half a dozen players that were drafted last night and will be drafted today, between 19 and 50 that are going to be multiple pro bowlers and they are playmakers that are going to score touchdowns and create turnovers and they really would have been great to have on this team and help us be the perennial championship challenger that we need to be.

    And all those playmakers are going to be gone by the time we draft at 50 which is why the consensus now is that we're going to spend our 2nd round pick on one of the guards that will be available. Because the top three guards are all still available and one of them should be there for us.

    That's great, I don't have a problem with that's what we end up spending this draft on. Getting a RT and OG after spending huge to get Albert at LT and having a great OC. Okay, well, we now have 4 top picks on our OL we should be good.

    I don't have a problem with it because I can understand how that's a viable strategy, but it's not what I would do. It's not why I would prefer. I'd rather we spent our FA money getting even more OL talent in here along with Pouncey and Albert and used our picks to get playmakers like Cooks or Benjamin or Clinton Dix.
     
  12. ElNino

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    I like the pick. We needed a RIGHT tackle and got one. And we needed someone to play RT right now, this guy seems like the best option for that scenario from what i'm hearing (i don't study tape). I could care less about where the pundits graded him. If he fills our RT position successfully then it's a good pick (time will tell). Part of the issue in recent years was all the shuffling around, now we should be set at both edges. The fact that he's a physical specimen and supposedly "high character" helps ease my mind as well.
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    The Dolphins headed into this draft with a glaring hole at right tackle. If they tried to play a football team tomorrow they'd have trouble fielding one because of this hole. There are "needs" and then there are what Jeff Ireland lovingly dubbed "musts". Right tackle was a "must".

    Can you blame them for heading into the draft with a "must" like that? Sure. I'd be right there with you.

    Given the situation they had put themselves in prior to last night, can you blame them for doing whatever they could to field a competitive football team in 2014? No.

    I wonder how many of the people *****ing about value and whatnot were also *****ing when Tyson Clabo couldn't come even close to blocking Mario Williams during THE most critical part of the game, which lost the Dolphins a game in a season where one more win would have gotten them into the playoffs.

    Bottom line is you ask yourself if the guy can play or not. He can. I've been watching him for years. I've had him pegged as the best offensive lineman in Tennessee since three months before the last draft. He's got great size and naturally big bone structure. He's got anchor. He's got great lateral movement and mirror ability. He's balanced and smooth in his kick slide with no wasted motion. From the start I saw an Orlando Franklin or by extension a Vernon Carey (I say by extension because Orlando Franklin reminded me of a Vernon Carey).

    I watched him play against Dee Ford live during the college season and he made Dee Ford look undraftable. I recently re-watched it and it was every bit as dominating as I remember. There was no "give and take" there. There was just take. Last year I watched him shut down Jarvis Jones and Cornelius Washington. I watched him make one of my favorite pass rushers in the 2013 Draft Devin Taylor, a guy that pretty much outperformed Dion Jordan this year in the NFL, look undraftable.

    This year he made Michael Sam look undraftable too. But I guess that doesn't mean anything anymore despite Sam being the SEC DPOY and despite all the other tackles that couldn't stop him from making all the plays that earned him that award.

    But it seems an abundance of people want to key on that Missouri game because it was one where he struggled for a few snaps against Markus Golden whom I've got firmly on watch for the 2015 Draft. This reminds me of when everyone keyed on the Vernon Gholston sack against Jake Long as proof that Jake was not a real left tackle. The problem is that in two years of watching this guy that's literally the only straight mano y mano battle in pass pro that I can remember JaWuan James losing for a sack. I'm trying to think of more and I can't think of any. I guess it's not that surprising since Tennessee's line only allowed 23 sacks in 2012 and 2013 combined.

    Anyway I didn't agree with Miami's heading into the draft with a "must" position but given that they did I can't blame them for not taking any chances with it. There were only three players in the whole draft they could truly trust to fill that "must" position. They were Jake Matthews, Morgan Moses and JaWuan James.

    Can you criticize them for not taking a trade down? Sure. I'm with you. Given the fact that Morgan Moses is still on the board I'd have taken a trade down all day and still picked up James or Moses.

    But let's not pretend that the Dolphins got a sh-tty player.
     
  14. rafael

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    I haven't heard many say that Miami got a ****ty player. In fact, the vast majority seem to like James just fine. And I haven't heard anybody claim it wasn't a need pick. The only consistent criticism I've heard is that they could have traded down and filled the need and also added an extra 3rd.
     
  15. dolfan22

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    It's the not trading down when that option clearly was there , and again , poor asset management . Dolphins tread water to not drown , other teams swim to a better place. Not the way to get better , make the playoffs , win in the playoffs imo.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    "Reach" has been a constant criticism. If you've not seen that word about Miami's pick last night then I don't think you've been reading.
     
  17. bigbry

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    I cant recall reading where someone called James ****ty
     
  18. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    You equate reach to ****ty?
     
  19. PhinishLine

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    All because of a website grade?

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  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What?
     
  21. rafael

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    I've only seen it in terms of they could have got him later by trading down.
     
  22. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's actually a first rounder. Was drafted in the first round of the 2014 draft. All the websites are wrong.

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  23. PhinishLine

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    Biggest need was a RT. We drafted a good RT. This isn't Madden. On to the next pick please.

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  24. finserg

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    :tongue2: lol
     
  25. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Juwuan James has been touted as a Day 1 starter by every so called 'expert'. Morgan Moses is said to be a 'developmental project' by NFL.com. If Morgan was the big backup plan for some of you all if we took the trade down and possibly lost out on a Day 1 starter to pick up an additional 3rd/4th rounder, then that is insane in my opinion. A developmental project is what we took last year. Look where that got us. Take the guy who will actually get on the field and produce. Hickey did the right thing. The first 2 rounds should be for starters. Take the developmental and situational guys later on. There are plenty of those to choose from.
     
  26. vt_dolfan

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    Well....this is just for starters...

    "Horrible Pick!!! Man no wonder Tampa Bay didn't want you! But I bet to hell he is a nice guy to fit the squeeky clean image this team wants now... This guy was a mid second end of second pick IMHO. Hes not fast at all, edge rushes are going to get past him easily and often...

    We should have gotten Cook and made our wideouts so damn good... Hell we cound have gone safety even plenty of talent left there still WHICH IS A MAJOR ISSUE ON THIS TEAM! I don't get it seriously yes we need an upgraded line, but not a reach like this! Damn it's hard being a Dolphins FAN when they do stupid ****!"
     
  27. JamesyEsq

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    Dark days, Manziel was there and they drafted a 2nd rounder, unbelievable
     
  28. Deerless Dice

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    I can only imagine the ways Mario Williams would break Johnny Manziel behind the line Miami fielded last year
     
  29. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Being mediocre , not taking progressive steps forward , one step forward , one back , not making the playoffs ...pretty clear .
     
  30. NolePhin15

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    We were a competent right tackle away from making the playoffs last year. We seemed to have drafted that player in the first round this year.

    Feelsgoodman
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Sorry, i don't speak caveman.
     
  32. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Why would drafting a 3rd rounder be better than drafting a 2nd rounder?
     
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  34. Fineas

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    I think you might be puttin too much stock in our sources ratings. There are others who had Moses and Kouandjio rated ahead of James and which thought they are more ready to step in. Personally, those guys were all in the same general category, so I have no big problem with James, but IMO they clearly shouldf have traded back.
     
  35. JamesyEsq

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    I guarantee in 5 years, we will look back at passing on Manziel in absolute horror
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    yea, horror that Miami even thought of drafting the terrible bust.
     
  37. byroan

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    That should be Hickey's answer to anyone who questions the pick.
     
  38. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Well, since Lazor knows Moses...if he thought he could possibly be a Day 1 starter then I think he would have vouched for him. Apparently, Lazor thinks he's a project too. As for Kouandjio, he's a career left tackle with injury concerns. He's a project at right tackle too. Our pick has 49 games of experience at right tackle in the SEC against some of the best pass rushers in college. I don't see how anyone could put them all in the same general category. There is a big difference.
     
  39. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Oh I didnt say that quote....that was someone else....just making a point of showing how it wasnt just....upset cuz of Value
     
  40. jw3102

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    Actually I have felt all along that this was going to be another very mediocre season for the Dolphins. The Patriots are still clearly the class of the AFC East. The Bills proved last year that they are a tough match up for the Dolphins and I think right now they have better personnel on their team than the Dolphins.

    The Jets actually finished ahead of the Dolphins in the division last year and that was with a rookie QB and no real offensive weapons on their offense. Vick is now their QB and they added Chris Johnson at RB. The Jets defense is better than the Dolphins already and adding the best safety in the draft only improved the Jets defense.

    The Dolphins obviously can add some talented players as the draft continues, but I don't see them being able to reach the talent level of the Patriots or Bills in this draft alone. I also believe that Philbin is probably the worst HC in the AFC East.

    Every season for the past decade I have hoped that the Dolphins would end up being better than I anticipate they will be. So far that has happened only in 2008 during the past ten years. So while I hope the Dolphins far exceed my expectations for the 2014 season. I think I am only being realistic in believing that they once again will miss the playoffs and be very fortunate if they can even get to 500 again this coming season.

    Ireland left a team with far too many holes to fill in one or possibly two off seasons. I really don't see the Dolphins having a winning record team until at least 2016. That of course assumes Hickey ends up being a much better GM than Ireland was.

    Obviously many on here will see things differently, but that is the way I see the Dolphins at this time.
     

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