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Dolphins draft Juwan James...looks like Hickey is just like Ireland, a need drafter

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, May 8, 2014.

  1. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I doubt that. No info on it, but I was told they thought Ebron was a special case.
     
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  2. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    If they think Ebron was a reach then they damn sure know they reached on Jawaun. But value doesn't mean **** to me with the draft despite being an economist.

    im too happy with the history taking place in your sig and avatar. That's what south floridians should be obsessed over. ****s not gonna last forever, unfortunately.
     
  3. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    Needed OLine help. Got OLine help. As far as I'm concerned it's a fine pick. Is it flashy and sexy? No. But it did fill a glaring need that EVERYONE was *****ing about last year as Tannehill was getting killed. Now the Dolphins address that need and it's all about value and reaching. Who made you people draft experts? I hate that term "reaching." Eff it. If they like the player, draft him. As much as some of you think you're draft experts, you're not. There's a staff here of people who do this for a living. Do the Dolphins get everything right? No. Not even close. However, I trust their staff evaluating people more than Poster X. Jesus people. They needed to revamp the OLine and they got a RT. I don't get you people sometimes. And don't sell me on reaches or values, I don't buy it. Like the player, just draft the ****ing player.
     
  4. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    You can't make a mistake in that spot. You've literally been preparing for months for that very moment.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Then your ratings are wrong. Kouandjio has not played RT. How can you rate him a better RT? You can't. You just like to snivel, whine, b!tch and complain about everything. Moses has some experience at RT, but not as much as James and Moses plays much softer than James. James has better feet and more power.
    I don't know how anyone with 20/20 vision and a normally functioning brain can honestly watch Moses and James playing RT and conclude Moses does it better. Needless to say, I like this pick very much.
     
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  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It's impossible to know that. He may have been. May not have been. Apparently Hickey didn't feel the compensation was worth risking losing out on James and having to settle for Moses or Kouandjio.
     
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  7. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    You had me until "They do this for a living..." Is that all it takes to justify anything and everything? *For the record, I'm OK with the pick. It would of been nice to grab an extra 3rd. I think it's a missed opportunity, but that's Miami for you. Frankly, I'm just hoping we actually draft some actual long term starting talent outside the first round. That would be a nice change.



    Maybe tomorrow, we'll actually draft a 2nd round pick who's worth a damn! It would be the first time in a long while... Who're you all hoping for? I'm hoping for Allen Robinson, personally. If not him, I wouldn't be upset with a number of guards. I'm a fan of Weston Richburg and wouldn't mind snagging him.
     
  8. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    So what'd I miss? :lol:
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member


    Why is he a 2nd round prospect? Because the media says so, or because you do?
     
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  10. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Just got back from the bar. I am so thrilled about this pick. I think Lazor had a lot of influence on this one. He's a former QB and QB coach. Of course, he would want to protect his QB who just got slaughtered last year. That is priority number 1. They took the best pass blocking left tackle in free agency and the best pass blocking right tackle in the draft. I've been saying offensive lineman all along. I am so proud that we didn't get cute like we did last year. I am liking this Hickey guy more and more with every move. Hell, I hope he goes after a right guard in round 2...lol. I know that will piss many of you off, but it's our next biggest hole. Trade up and get the best guard left on the board, Xavier Su'a Filo. Having a strong offensive line opens up so many playcalling options for an offensive coordinator. If Lazor has any creativity whatsoever, this offense should be nasty.
     
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  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Same can be said about the Giants taking Justin Pugh. The media and ignorant fans complained that they reached for a 2nd round talent. All Pugh did was come in and play great for the entire season at RT. Now all those complainers are strangely silent.
    Before the draft started, among our 22 starters we had two glaring holes. RT and whichever guard spot that Smith does not take. Now we have one less, and it would still not be a surprise if between Dallas Thomas and Sam Brenner that we can find a decent guard, though I still hope we draft one.
     
  12. djphinfan

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    Not a big fan of the player at this point, surely didn't have a first round grade on him..
     
  13. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Miami drafted a starter on the worse unit of the team and people are upset because there aren't any YouTube highlight compilations of said draft pick.So, nothing much.
     
  14. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Deone Bucannon was supposed to be a second round pick too.
     
  15. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Just another day in the zoo.

    And

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  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Perfectly stated sir. :up:
     
  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He had one of the best OT 3 cones at the combine. You don't do that with heavy feet.
    The Huddle Report's draft profile of him from before the combine:
    Anonymous scouts comments:

     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    KC lost 3 important OL in free agency. It was logical to believe they'd address OL. Had James been on the board they very well could have. After losing Albert, Fisher is moving to LT. They also lost Schwartz and Asamoah at guard. They have a HUGE hole at RG, though Donald Stephenson maybe able to fill their RT hole. I honestly expected them to take Xavier Su'a-Filo and their selection of Dee Ford was surprising considering they have Tamba Hali and Justin Houston at OLB in their 3-4. Oh by the way, when Tennessee played Missouri, James totally shut down Dee Ford.
     
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  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    LbsFinest does not always moan, gripe and complain. Only on days that end in 'y'.
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    No other tackles were worthy of being taken in the 1st round then.
     
  21. ABrownLamp

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    Lol @ you people rating other offensive linemen higher. Like you studied tape of these guys and evaluated their footwork? you can tell which tackle is better based on the highlight clips you saw? You're just reading other people's blogs. He's a highly rated right tackle and we need a right tackle. That's about all any of you know.
     
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  22. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    I stole this from the other thread asking about whose the best RT in the draft. You said this about him a week ago Clean

    Admittedly i don't look at tape and or analyze too much, but hearing some of this stuff after the fact, this was kind of a no-brainer for us. 49 starts in the SEC??? This guy starts day 1 and depending on who we're playing, he'll probably be going against easier competition than he did throughout most his college career.
     
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  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Hickey mentioned it himself when talking to the media after making the pick.
     
  24. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    8-12 year starter what a bum.
     
  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    100% spot on!!!
     
  26. GMJohnson

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    Pretty much.
     
  27. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Amazing how many stupid, melodramatic posters we have in this forum
     
  28. Alex13

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    i have trouble see him play inside though
     
  29. JMHPhin

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    Waaaaa the dolphins didn't do what I thought they should waaaaaa. They are stupid, I know everything so they should have listened to me waaaaaa.


    Sorry man but this is ridiculous, this is about making Miami a winner not draft position. The oline was so bad that if we felt a player warranted picking there, we should bypass it? I agree BPA or trade down if you KNOW player will be there or you are ok or have suitable alt options at that position, but we didn't. Not options that we could pencil in for ten years like James.

    If James starts every game for 10 yrs as he worth the pick? If he helps makes a legit playoff team, do you care we didn't win the night?
     
  30. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    same arguments we had when we picked Pouncey. I was fine then, I'm fine now.
     
  31. Da 'Fins

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    I think it was a need pick - which means Dix would have been higher on a raw ranking board.

    Here's what Hickey specifically said in his presser after the pick:

    "He was the best player for us. That's the way we value."

    This is a key point. He may not have been rated #19 on a raw talent board, but they factored in need with value. Hickey even discussed this in his pre-draft discussion when he talked about rating players and picks. He intimated that they mix in what is best for the team with best player.

    As far as the pick, I think it was one of several options.

    My preferences at #19 were:

    1. Shazier (didn't happen and will be more bummed about that than anything else int he draft).

    2. Trade down (we fielded a few calls. I have no doubt that Cleveland, who traded #26 and their late 3rd to move to 22, was one of those teams. Probably along with the Saints and maybe Philly). I think it was worth the risk to trade down and possibly lose James to another team. The Cleveland option would have been better - a pick higher and a higher 3rd rounder (#83 vs #91 from Saints). My guess is Hickey would have wanted the higher Cleveland 3rd rounder and they did not want to give up that slot. I'd have still traded down. But, the draft is a crap shoot. If James starts and plays well for 5-10 years, it's a good pick.

    3. Cooks if we stayed at #19. But, we'd have had to wait to 50 to get a tackle and that would have been tough. I still think we'd have gotten a good OT at 50 (possibly even James!) but there's no guarantee so Hickey went the low risk route. I get that but as a fan it's not as fun. ;) But, Cooks is a great route runner, super productive, super fast, and as someone noted at NFL.Com, he'll be one of the best slot WRs in the NFL in a hurry. I don't want to play against the Saints any time soon.

    The reality, half the players in round 1 will ultimately be busts. It's a total crap shoot. If we get a guy who isn't a bust and he does really well, we should be happy.

    But, I get the other side as well (the disappointed one). As is often the case, the Dolphins go a direction that doesn't seem the best and Dolphin fans have lived to regret it. So, that's why I think we should understand the frustration.

    Fans here need to understand the frustrating history of drafts for this team going back to the 80's. Many have gone through the likes of Eric Kumerow or Billy Miliner (a "plug and play" RT, btw, per Don Shula) or Tedd Ginn or any number of other players. When Kumerow was picked with Michael Dean Perry on the board, I thought I'd die. And we've seen that many, many other times.

    So while we need to accept this pick and hope he turns out to be a stellar RT, the reality remains that more often than not the Dolphins org has made the wrong move on such selections.
     
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  32. Fin-Omenal

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    Y'all so funny, we filled a major major hole with what looks like a pretty good RT.

    We now have added Albert, Smith and James to go along with Pounce. We have a pass catching TE, one of the best deep threats in the game, solid Wr depth and a budding young QB. This offense is ready to be good, no excuses just results.

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  33. 77FinFan

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    Said Benton went to his pro day and spent an hour or so w/ him afterwards. Do we think Benton knows anything about offensive linemen?
     
  34. GreysonWinfield

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    Went to bed before the pick. Woke up anxiously awaitng the melt down on this site. Not much you can count on in life but I can depend on this.
     
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  35. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I don't necessarily have a problem with the pick, but I do have a problem with the pick at #19. Have a feeling he'd woulda been there at #50.

    Also kinda hard to believe they couldn't pull off a trade with the Saints making a deal with Zona right behind us.
     
  36. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    I'll go ahead and say it. I think it was a good pick, and not a reach. The guy is very durable, at 49 starts. He already plays RT, so there will be no position adjustment, just learning the offense. He is very good from the character perspective. The Dolphins had 5 tackles ranked with 1st round talent and he was the last one left... GO DOLPHINS! I'll be ecstatic if we can snatch up Borland in the 2nd...
     
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  37. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    A former firelander complaining about a draft pick already? not possible....
     
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  38. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    That's like saying a rookie player has to have an amazing game 1, after all, they had months to prepare.

    Let me reiterate, I like the pick but I don't like where we picked him. I would have preferred Cooks, Dix or Lee there based on the board, but I'm not upset we have James. I too think we probably could have traded back and still got him, but I chalk that up to a rookie mistake.

    In the end, the only thing that makes a draft pick successful is if the player picked is successful. And really outside of a couple of players, James is as close to a given as a starter as any of those guys.
     
  39. VManis

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    James was the RT I wanted in this draft and I am happy we got him but going in I thought we could have moved back a few spots to do so. However, this isn't an epic fail. This is simply a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Sure James may have been there at 27 but maybe not. Obviously the FO felt there was too much of a drop off from James to Moses to take the risk. I think that may very well be based on Lazors history with Moses.
     
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  40. 77FinFan

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    Said the same thing. He for sure would have had some input on Moses.
     

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