Putting this into classic FF scoring, both Odell Beckham and Mike Evans had 41% of their total season's FF points stuffed into only 2 games. The difference is Mike Evans had those 2 games against Alabama and Auburn while Odell Beckham had his 2 games against Furman and UAB. And people want Beckham over Evans? Me = not getting it.
Calvin Johnson's all world talent hasn't been able to do jack squat for a patheticly lead Detroit like team. Don't forget the intangible part of the game, don't forget that the Qb makes all decisions and has the ball in his hand all of the time, the power to change the play based on diagnosing the defense, all that is talent, and luck possesses all of it, it's not even close and I don't think you would find one GM that would go to your side.
That is because football is a team sport. Quarterback also does have more effect on the game than wide receiver. The question does remain, how many teams in the NFL could Curtis Painter lead to the playoffs? I am not forgetting the intangible part of the tame. Calvin has those. He is a receiver. He is one of the best receivers to have ever played the game. He looked like that in college and he is looking like that in the pros. Luck looks like he is going to be a fine quarterback. Is he going to be one of the best? I do not think that is a given. Especially not a given as Calvin Johnson looked in college. Sorry dude, I also don't like judging someone on intangibles because that is all an opinion based judgement system.
I'm really not following you on this.."football is a team sport"?????, what's your point, Curtis painter sucks..he has nothing to do with what Luck brings to the table and how each Qb can affect the game with their individual skillset and leadership. Find me a scout or GM who would take a blue chip receiver over a blue chip Qb prospect and I'll show you an unemployed GM or scout. Calvin has been in the league long enough to know what he can do for his very talented team, Luck has barely been in the league and we've seen what he can do and how many of his teammates will walk thru walls for him, that's impact. Who were the starting three receivers and tight ends for the colts in their playoff win last year.?
Luck has proven that he is better than Curtis Painter who was the quarterback that played a lot of the 1-15 games. I never said that a GM would take Calvin over Luck. All I said was Calvin Johnson is a more perfect prospect out of college than Andrew Luck.
What difference does it make if you think Calvin was a better prospect relative to his position than luck was when everyone would still take luck?
It just means the quarterback position is more valued. If you had a 99.5% chance for the best Wide Receiver of all-time or a 99.1% chance of the best quarterback of all-time, you take the quarterback. Heck if it is 99% best wide receiver and 76% franchise quarterback, you still take the quarterback even if the wide receiver is a better prospect. That is life. That is not my argument. Last dig: Still at least Calvin Johnson isn't being out shined by a third round pick in his draft class. OOOOOOOOOOOOO
This may or may not be a joke, I haven't been here long enough to know. But I am going to respond to this as if it is real. How has Wilson out shined Luck? If you say a superbowl my palm is going to hit my face very hard and I am going to have a welt there. You were the one just preaching that football is a team sport, which I highly agree with. In my eyes a Superbowl is purely a team accomplishment and should not be counted as a personal accolade the way it is today. Nor should it be used in an argument for which player is better. As Miami fans we should know very well that a superbowl doesn't make for the better player, if that is all you go by then Trent Dilpher is obviously a better QB than Dan Marino. Wilson was on a team with a good running game and the best defense we have seen since the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. Where as Luck is on a team with a Ok defense, a crap running game and his #1 WR was injured for the whole season. Wilson is definitely on par with Luck so far, but I haven't seen him out shine him. Now if that was a joke, please disregard my last paragraph and just act like I responded with a LOL :P
Russell Wilson isn't outshining Andrew Luck because his team won a Super Bowl. Russell Wilson is outshining Andrew Luck because his own player performance has been dramatically better and more efficient than Andrew Luck's. Andrew Luck could still become the player we all envisioned. And he could be better than Wilson in the long haul. And I'm not taking anything away from what Luck has been in two years with the Colts. He's been very good. But Russell Wilson has been better. And I'm sorry to all those who watch the film and can't see it the same way I do. But I'm pretty sure I'm right.
The first in NFL history to do that his first two seasons in the league. And it's not like he's throwing to awesome receivers. On paper both Andrew Luck AND Ryan Tannehill are throwing to better receivers when you consider Percy Harvin didn't finally play until the Super Bowl. Oh and it's not as if Russell Wilson's offensive line has been awesome either. Russell Okung is great but he played like 400 snaps this year. Guys like Carpenter and Moffitt have been flat out disappointments and guys like Sweezy, Giacomini and McQuistan haven't exactly played well either. Unger's been up-and-down. Basically everyone just keeps pointing at Marshawn Lynch as if the presence of a good RB (one who only averaged 4.2 YPC this year) just automatically turns good QBs into 100+ rating, 26 ppg, Super Bowl winning QBs. Umm...no.
Luck lost his two best weapons early last season in Reggie and Dwayne Allen..one great player and one very good player.
Luck has better receivers than Wilson has had? I will give you that Reggie Wayne is better than anyone Wilson has thrown to, but I think you are VASTLY underrating Seattle's WRs. Harvin, Baldwin, Kerse, Tate, and Rice have all proven to be very good WRs in my eyes. Luck has had Wayne and Hilton. The rest of his WR's are pretty weak. Laveon Brazil is no where near as good as any of Wilson's receivers. Darrias Heyward Bey is nothing more than speed, Greg Whalen is unproved, DaRick Rodgers had one big game but aside from that is a total unknown. I'd take Baldwin, Kerse and Tate over Hilton, DHB, Brazil, DaRick Rodgers and Whalen any day. Lucks line hasn't been any better than Wilson's so that's really not a factor in who has played better. As far as TE's go Wilson actually had some pretty Capable guys last year in Zack Miller, Kellen Davis and Luke Wilson, where as Luck was without his best TE in Allen the Majority of the season and had to put up with Fleener who so far hasn't been very good. IMO Seattles offense as a whole was better than the Colts this past season. Again I don't really see where Wilson outshone Luck.. Luck had to carry his offense, where as Wilson just made a good offense better. A good running back doesn't turn a QB into those things, but it sure as hell helps take some pressure off when a defense is just as scared of your running game as it is of your passing game. Good players make other good players better.
First off Percy Harvin played 20 snaps this season. That's it. Just 20 snaps in the regular season. He's not a factor in this discussion. Second, remember a guy named T.Y. Hilton? Or how about #34 overall pick Coby Fleener? I'm a big fan of Golden Tate but that was pretty much the only receiver Wilson had who was worth a damn. Sidney Rice is injury riddled and slow nowadays. Doug Baldwin is a Davone Bess. I should have read the rest of this before replying. Never mind. We're not on similar wavelengths and are not likely to ever be.
