Barry Jackson: Marino close to joining team

Jesus christ.

You only view it as a cheap shot because you refuse to admit the man has flaws. Its silly.

 

As you can read above...I am aware of his flaws...I just think the positives totally outweigh his flaws. Apparently you don't. Plus nowhere did I say he deserves a pass or should not be held accountable

 

His charity works and playing years are fine and good. He got drunk at a PR event. If he gets a PR job, then I hope he doesn't get drunk at a PR event again. I put it in a humorous way, but it was not a cheap shot. If I said I hope he doesn't knock the podium up, that would be a cheap shot because that brings in an issue he had on personal level. Bringing up him getting drunk at a PR event, because he's gunning for a PR job is not a cheap shot.

 

I don't think that's true. Elway has a lot more business experience than Marino, and also owned an Arena league team and was the chairmen of the league's executive committee. It's not exactly a standard path to being involved in NFL decision making, but it's a lot more than Marino has.

 

...Beautiful poetic NFL prose, CK

 

Bring Marino in to lather up the cheerleaders, schmooze free agents and make Philbin and Aponte wince occasionally. I mean, he'd basically be Bob Crane in Hogan's Heroes.

 

He presided as chairman of a committee of a league that folded two years later. Stephen Ross and Jerry Jones own teams. None of those things qualify them for running teams. Jerry Jones has shown owning a team isn't much of a qualification to run it.

 

Right, but its still more than Marino. this can't be stated enough, Marino is not a student of the game. He knows less then many of the people on this forum. Also, I thought I read that Elway wasn't hands off when he was doing all those other things.

 

Disagree on Jerry Jones but agree on your larger point.

People that point to Elway's experience with Arena just bring up a laughable point. I guess Jon Bon Jovi is more qualified to work in an NFL front office than Dan Marino, too.

I guarantee Dan Marino learned more about the game, made more valuable contacts, and kept up on the goings on of the NFL by working for so long at CBS than John Elway ever did owning a defunct Arena Football team.

 

It shouldn't be a laughable point. It is management experience. Dan Marino has no management experience from what I gather. What positions within a front office require no management of others? Is Marino really going to start out as a regional scout?

 

Owning a failed business venture made Elways prepared to handle an NFL franchise? Then I guess Marino is qualified since he's owned some restaurants that didn't do too well (except now he part owns restaurants that are wildly successful).

 

No, Elway actually managed a lot of successful businesses prior to having operational management experience in a football capacity. Owning doesn't necessarily equate to managing, and I'm not sure Dan actually has any experience as an owner of restaurants that entails a management role. If you really want to compare the business success of Elway and Marino, its not even close. Elway has had far more success outside of football. John Elway has a net worth of almost $150MM.

But either way, I don't think it really matters. The fact that John Elway is successful isn't really a big harbinger of Marino's prospects in a management capacity. I sure as hell would prefer the Dolphins fabricate some type of role for Chad Pennington before they do Dan Marino.

 

So laughable.

 

Yeah I get a kick out of that one too.

 

Which ones? What were his roles? Be detailed.

 

I guess in sixteen years of playing Marino never took charge of anything in the locker room. This Marino is just some idiot with a strong arm who knows little about football narrative is funny. You would think some of you were friends with him or have worked with him before given the claims being made. I guess the only things in life Dan Marino is qualified to do is play football or appear on CBS broadcasts.

 

Don't hold your breath. I heard Elway's more qualified because he won a Super Bowl....

 

that uniform unveiling was a small party, no need to be all serious at it, I would of had a few as well leading up to that kind of gala, it was a fun night for the fans and team..

 

You'd think he punched a baby or something.

 

No, I think he's qualified to host the Finsiders. I also said I think he would be a good person to campaign for stadium subsidies.

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Dan Marino loved the orange bowl and hated sun life..flat out said it on many occasions that there was nothing like playing in the orange bowl and what a truly competitive advantage it was playing there, he'd be a great lobbyist..lol

 

He is one of the few people that could get the public behind it.

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He'll get paid for what ever he's doing.

 

I have spoken to Marino on a few occasions. I wouldn't say that he's a dumb guy, but he also doesn't come off as overly smart or as a quick thinker. I once asked him why he didn't work on his play action more since it seemed like an obvious hole in his game. He told me that he felt he needed the extra time to look at the defense. I don't think he processed things all that quickly. He had a great release and great pocket instinct. And he knew to throw to the receiver in the area the blitz came from. But I wouldn't say he was great at going through his progressions quickly. I also don't think that the characterizations of him not being a student of the game are out of place. He was an instinctual player. I heard defensive coaches of the time complain that even though they had called the perfect defense that Marino still completed the ball to the covered guy. In those cases he wasn't making the right read, he was just making the great pass. Marino often said that he just threw it to the open guy and I believe him. Now obviously Marino had experience. When you see anything enough times you recognize it and respond better. Even Vinny Testeverde eventually became known as a savvy vet and he was dumb as a box of rocks. Marino was smarter than VT, but I don't think it's likely that Marino has much experience or knowledge regarding today's defenses. He often stated that he didn't do much film work. I don't see much reason to believe he does so now. And Marino played in the era before zone blitzes became popular. If you just threw to the receiver in the spot where the blitz came from today or if the blitz came from some place unexpected, you'd have far less success. In fact, NE was one of the few teams that started changing their defenses post snap back in about '96 or '97 and Marino really struggled against them. I know fans want to believe that anybody who played in the NFL must know more about football than those who didn't, but as somebody who has spoken to many NFL players over the years that simply isn't the case. Obviously there are very knowledgeable players, but there are also a great many who know little more than their assignments (if that much).

Marino was a great player and my favorite player ever, but he wasn't and isn't a great football mind. I've heard him discuss QB prospects and his level of analysis doesn't go beyond "can he throw?" I believe he should have a role in the organization, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that he'll be teaching or coaching much. I also don't expect that he has much of an eye for talent. But I do think he can be developed into more than a figurehead. He did have presence. There was some natural leadership in him. I recall once that he was talking about investing in some sun glass company. I don't recall who it was but they had approached him as a potential investor. He asked me if I had heard of them and I hadn't. He knew I had worked at sunglass store one summer while still in school. I told him I could ask around, but he said that if I hadn't heard of them at the retail level that he wasn't interested in the investment. I remembered thinking at the time (I was a business student back then) that it was an instinctual response. I thought (back then) that if I had the same investment opportunity that I would have done more research to see if they had some market advantage, but that if I wasn't willing to do more research that I would at least want to know that the company was real and selling product. I thought that Marino had made a reasonable instinctual decision. It's not much for me to go on, and maybe it's just the fan boy in me, but I guess I'm hopeful that that instinct can be developed. That the instinct and leadership can help him build a team that can fill in the areas he's not strong in. I believe that it would be good for the organization to have one of it's greatest legacies actively involved. If nothing else it would remind people that this once was a great organization.

 

Well I disagree. Even if we agree, we need to disagree.

 

Well what about his years as a community organizer?

Oh wait wrong forum.

 

[video=youtube_share;EQ0CW1whH9Q]http://youtu.be/EQ0CW1whH9Q?t=21m29s[/video]

If it doesn't automatically, fast forward to 21:29, and hear Bill Walsh talk about his conversation with Marino.


Also Listening to Walsh breaking down Marino on film at 23:32 gives me goosebumps. Marino was elite, if not the best ever, with his footwork in the pocket. Watching him move, he kept his upper body with one or two steps of being back in throwing position. It was uncanny.

 

Marino had Payon's ear and he didn't help the Dolphins. He probably pushed Manning toward Denver. He has a long way to go to catch Elway on the operations side of things. At best, I see him in the booth with Ross at some games instead of Nat Moore.

 

I doubt it. There are 100 reasons Peyton went to Denver, but one of them, I suspect, was Ross.

 

Well, as much as I am against Marino having any real power here, ^ that's just absurd.

Manning never would have even listened to us if not for Marino. We weren't a consideration because fo money and talent. The Broncos were close with Tebow at QB, of course Manning was going there.

 

It wasn't money. Ross offered Peyton ownership of the team after he was done. Peyton wrote a letter and told Ross the offer was absolutely great, but he would have to refuse because it meant he had to play for Ross.

 

Wait what? tennessee offered him ownership, I never heard anything about Miami. And surely you're joking about the letter.

 

I think the time frame of a play action fake vs. a year long evaluation of college talent is fairly different.

See, but that's even assuming he gets any sort of personnel power. Why are people assuming Dan Marino is coming in to be Bill Parcells?

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/27/3367319/ross-sayssparanodamagedthe-team.html

I thought it was an offer for ownership, so I was mistaken. It still could be, considering he was handing out minor ownership interests like candy to celebrities, but it isn't confirmed.

 

I legitimately never saw (or remember) that stuff.

However, what he wrote in the letter doesn't sound like something personal against Ross. It sounds like Ross was bumbling the retelling of the letter. Like, he was offered to go to Miami (the city) with Ross, and Peyton declined because we weren't one of his options.

 

I'm not assuming anything. This thread is speculating about what possible roles Marino could inhabit. The speculation has gone anywhere from just a figurehead, to a marketing/sales guy, to somebody helping Tannehill, to somebody with eventual personnel say. I merely provided my opinion on which of those roles I thought he was best suited for.

 

When you watch the video one thing that stands out immediately is the difference between how guys who had nothing to do with Dan Marino talked about him versus how Don Shula talked about him. You have Bill Walsh's story about Dan Marino essentially blowing off Walsh's question about what his first read was on a play.

But then you have Don Shula, who actually COACHED the man and wasn't just talking to him in some social setting, saying the following:

"Dan Marino had tremendous peripheral vision. He just was tremendous at picking out the one-on-one situation and knowing where the weakness in the coverage was and attacking that weakness. A lot of people don't give Dan credit for making the quick decisions. He did that. And then of course when he made the quick decisions, that release just exploded and it didn't take long for the ball to get there."

Just food for thought on the subject. You see people like Bill Walsh or others that asked him a question in some social setting one time or another make these sweeping generalizations that seem to run totally contrary to what the man who coached him for 13 years says.

 

Doesn't that sort of offer go around the salary cap too? I thought post career offers were not allowed to be part of a deal?

 

Those two statements do not contradict each other. In fact, they explain each other. Dan's tremendous release, footwork, arm, accuracy, peripheral vision and instinct made up for his lack of academic/film room football knowledge. Dan was a natural beast. The best ever.

1984 is the greatest single season of QB play ever. But let's be honest, he never led the league in TD's after 1986. Favre was younger of course but smoking him (before that it was Steve Young, even Jim Everett etc.). 1984-1986 were the 3 best seasons by a QB ever. After that, Dan was good, at the top, but never the best again. For whatever reason, the league caught up to him and he was no longer Great. Just very very good.

I'd love to see Dan play in post 2004 NFL. But then post 2004 defenses come with that ...