That's why I said "most modern rap". It's not on me buddy, it's on the industry and the artists for putting that sh*t in front of the general population. I don't like "Screamo" but yeah I'm sure if I were to sit down and dig through the entire genre I could appreciate at least a song or two. You don't need to be so insulted. And stop calling me ignorant because as a whole I don't like rap and don't consider a lot of it what I would personally define as "music". Like I've said numerous times *IMO it's more ART than music*. A lot of it is poetry spoken or sung (I use that word very loosely in this case) over pre recorded beats. There are ALWAYS exceptions and I accept that.
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As a musician, I personally don't value rap too much because you can't apply many melodic and harmonic concepts when writing or analysing a rap song, but I do agree that rap is music. To me, music is a form of art, which is very subjective and can't be easily described... it's the "whole beauty is in the eye of the beholder" thing. And about the bolded part: Rock is as much a "musical genre born of a common cultural, socioeconomic, and ultimately racially divided experience" as rap is. The true meaning and sense of rock has morphed a lot over the years ( over 50 years of evolution). Think about how much rap/hip-hop has changed since its birth and try to imagine how much it'll still change in about 20 years, and you'll understand how much rock is very different than its original form. Rock 'n' Roll's roots come from mostly blues, jazz and gospel music which are all african-american based genres. I'm not trying to debate anything, by the way, just giving some insight on the history of rock which you said you "didn't get", and that most people don't really understand either... Here's the Rock 'n' Roll wikipedia for anyone who wants to know more about its history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_roll
I disagree Bras, or maybe I'm not sure what your saying, I think the music behind the rapper can be very melodic and diverse, right now I'm playing with voices as instruments, some beautiful riffs off guitars, violins, these are all beautiful melodic harmonies I would consider great music,combine that with some well timed beautiful screams and I will change the game.
Yes, you can very much have melodic phrases and riffs incorporated into a rap song, but if you trace back to the origin of those melodies, they aren't from rap music at all, but rather R&B or jazz and the like (sometimes even rock influence). When I say rap, I mean the basic elements that rap is made of, which to me is rhythm and lyrics.. melody and harmony is just filler in rap songs. How often do you hear a casual listener of rap/hip-hop talking about how cool a violin riff is? Sure, it happens every so often, but it isn't the main focus of many rap songs.
WARNING: I'm a self described music idiot. I can barely turn on a radio and when I do, then I just overachieved musically relative to my talent level. I always thought the lyrics were the "melody" in rap. I know we want to equate the rapper to the singer, since these are both things people voice, but is it possible to shift the perspective a bit and compare the rapper to say, the lead guitarist? When I hear someone like Eminem, and not focus on the words he's rapping, but just listening...it very much feels like a guitar, IMO. I think part of the problem is that the notion that riffs and samples is more or less stealing and that it takes less talent to use those then it took for the musician to create what was sampled from. At the same time, I would venture to say that most musicians steal and bite off others too they can just play an instrument. Then again, I'm probably wrong about all of that.
Rap (Hip Hop) isn't solely about music. There are so many things to consider in Hip Hop. Some genres rap just for lyrics, pure lyrical content, it's not for you to bob your head to. Some tracks are soley to battle, just pure beratement of any challengers. Some tracks are for parties/mainstream who rely more on hooks and melodies. Those are the ones your hear on the radio. Some tracks are more somber songs with tales of street life, etc. Some tracks are crossover tracks, where you have cats like B.O.B, Gym Clas Heroes, Whoever the white guy is who keeps winning all the awards. I forget his name. Rapping can transcend virtually any already existing genre. It's just a different way of laying down vocals on a track essentially. Honestly, you can probably pick up any CD and get 1 track that hits on every one of the examples I just mentioned. I think hip hop has something to offer everybody. It's pretty versatile if you don't focus solely on the mainstream.
Imo it is the songs where the music behind the lyrics are in minor, whether that's a sample or a live instrument, acoustic guitar, piano, violin, a sample from a symphony, and now harmonies, these chords are pivotal in the success of many rap songs.. I absolutely love some of the music in hip hop, it may get overshadowed by the style of the rapper but there are more reasons than a great rapper why a song is a hit, even if it isn't in the forefront.
Does one sing a song or talk a song? The definition of sing in the context of songs is: "to utter words or sounds in succession with musical modulations of the voice; vocalize melodically." To mere recite words poetically does not constitute singing.
How are raps any different from an extra drum? That's always how I looked at it. Just replace taps and booms with actual words."Scandalous, money, greed and lust. In this trife life, there ain't nobody you can trust."
Alright I didnt want to enter this arguement but as an avid rap fan I feel I have to. One thing is to say you do not like it, but to call all of rap something not considered music? Now that is ridiculous. Not every rap song is that same, nor is every rapper. If we go by the "mainstream" artists such as 2 Chainz or Lil Wayne, then it does not seem to need talent and seems like garbage. There is more to rap than what is played everywhere. Childish Gambino is an artist who is a genius. He makes MUSIC, by creating the lyrics and the beat, listen to some of his tracks and you will see the difference. Kendrick Lamar, Logic, Hopsin, Ace Hood, Eminem, are all rappers who are making music and not garbage. Now to the point you are saying in that post, reciting words that rhyme is not singing, but they sing the rhymes. They have a flow and, while it may seem as if they are just talking, they are singing at a different rhythm than you are used to. It is music that is evolving, much like rock a long time ago, and if you don't want to acknowledge it as music then you are being ignorant
Ok, by the broad definition of the word "music", rap technically qualifies. So, I retract my statement that it is not music. However there is no way I can agree they are singing when they are rhyming. Not be the definition of the word sing anyway.
At least with country music, they play actual musical instruments by hand, and most of the time, the artist actually, by the definition of the word, "sings."
Opinion? You mean the acoustic guitar, the pedal steel guitar, the banjo, the mandolin, the fiddle, et al are not actually musical instruments? You mean the typical country singer does not utter words or sounds in succession with musical modulations of the voice when performing a song?
It's very close for me, em is just as gifted, I think it just comes down to Kendrick's style that I prefer slightly..his cadence is absolutely rare, as is em, just a slight preference.
My two cents. I personally would not call rapping music. IMO Rap is more poetry set to a beat for pace-making purposes. For instance, in the 8 Mile movie, in those Rap battles every single Rap monologue had the same beat behind it. IMO for pure Rap, the beat is simply for pace-making purposes. It is there to aid the pace of the poetry. Now Hip-Hop, has more melody, more rhythm. I would consider Hip-Hop music, the problem is there are so many god-awful Hip-Hop songs out there, people tend to dismiss the genre as not music. It is music, it is just bad music, but when done right it is still good. For contrast, I also do not consider Heavy Death Metal music. IMO it is just guttural noise set on a monotone rhythm.
While the video is awesome, thank you for showing it to me, it does not disprove what I wrote. That is not a beat, but a melodious tune accompanied by melodious vocalizations. It is apples to oranges with what I wrote and you highlighted. Pure Rap, like the example I mentioned in the Rap battles in 8 Mile, is not melodious. It is simply fast spoken poetry. The beat behind it is no different than a metronome to help keep tempo.
You are welcome. The point, was that much of the music we know today uses the same chords or beats or lyrics or melodies or some or all. That has nothing to do with classifying something as music.
I can see how what I wrote could have been misconstrued. I did not mean to say that because they have similar beats or tunes they cannot be classified as music. I merely used that example to illustrate my opinion.
So in your opinion the sounds they utter do not fit the definition of "sing" and things like guitars are not a musical instrument. That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on a message board.
You have to make music to be a musical instrument. They do not make music, they make random sounds. Actually the dumbest thing I ever read on a message board was rap music isn't music.
So WTF are they doing when they play the instrument? By your definition, there is no music. Nothing but random sounds. WADR. I find your opinions quite silly.
