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Incognito wants to rejoin Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by VManis, Mar 20, 2014.

  1. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    With both Martin and Jerry getting jobs, I'd bring him back.

    His suspension, without an actual hearing of any type, is more punishment than far worse offenses by other players earned.


    But it won't happen because the organization lacks the guts to handle the fallout.....
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Here's what I'm saying if I was the coach, I will not let perception or fear control me or my team.
     
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  3. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    You're nuts.
     
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  4. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    Deej. You've spent months telling us we need leadership and high character guys in the locker room. Now you say he's the man. Does not make any sense.
     
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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dynamics in a locker room Scotty , reclamation, personal motivatin, being humbled being at your lowest, and climbing back up, unity..

    My gut tells me he would change, and that change I think would help him realize what he does have...The ability to play the game..when it gets taken away from you, it can change a man I believe.

    My whole offseason project is about building leadership for this team, it's gonna take special character, more so than anywhere else imo to win here, and play in that morgue, I'm looking for ways the team can galvanize, play angry and unified..

    I will absolutely say, that this is not something I'm convicted about, it's something that I think I would take the pulse on..and try to see the angle of what a team reclamation project might be.

    I don't believe the dude is gonna get a job anywhere, I think we might be his only shot..are you telling me wre gonna sit back and let this get so out of whack we take football away from this 30 years old healthy person, because he's immature and has some substance issues?, I think by stepping up it may have the reverse affect than what your thinking.
     
  6. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Absolutely, without hesitation.
     
  7. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    We aren't taking football away from anyone. He did all this to himself.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He crossed a line man, he said some stupid sh&& to his friend, he's immature,he drinks too much..you think that deserves banishment forever.?

    Also, you don't see any good qualities about Richie?
     
  9. Fin D

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    From the dolphins? Yes, absolutely. He should have been off the team for the golf course incident alone.

    There's more to football business then just whats on the field. We'd be crucified for letting him back...and frankly he's just not worth it.

    For someone who is rightfully always worried about culture surrounding a team, you'd have to be concerned about the negative publicity this would bring .
     
  10. the 23rd

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    reason dictates we should have him return with a franchise friendly contract & keep him under a microscope for the duration of his time with Miami. with the addition of Z.Martin in the draft. the team would be set. smart money would resign McKinnie for competition, depth to roster & experience/leadership. not so difficult: resign Incognito & McKinnie, then draft Zack Martin at 19 & we are flush on the offensive line.
     
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  11. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's all i needed to read. Your gut is ridiculously wrong man. How many chances has this guy had to change? He's still the same douchebag he was when he was in college, when he left the Bills, the Rams, then us... he's the same old piece of **** human being he's always been. He's never going to change.
     
  12. brandon27

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    Reason?? What ****ing reason?! The reason of a lunatic?!?! He's had numerous chances to fix himself, he cant, he's a low character person, he's a lowlife. Does he maybe mean well, and really was just joking around, sure... maybe... but you're a professional football player... the key word being professional. Act like it. Not like a ****ing 14 year old idiot who doesn't know any better.

    I don't want this scumbag near our team again. Not because what I think he did to Martin was terribly wrong and so terrible he shouldn't every play again... but because the guy has had numerous chances to change his ways and he's still the same douchebag he was when he entered the league. Nothing is going to change that. If the posts from his alleged father around here are any indications... its obvious he's been that way since birth.

    Plus, top it all off with he's a declining football player. That enough is reason alone to not bring him back. Then throw his BS on top of it, the guy is a cancer.

    End of story.

    Martin has been traded, there's no reason for this franchise to bring Richie back, unless they want to further embarrass themselves... both on and off the field.

    Why are people so damn blind...
     
  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    brandon27:
    judgmental, condescending... no one knows anything but you? you hold the standard & moral compass in your hand? I think not.
    hubris:thanx:
    we need a pro-bowl, veteran guard & he is available. I play to win.
     
  14. MrClean

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    The ONLY way we should possibly re-sign Richie is with no signing bonus, and a modest non-guaranteed base salary from year to year, and at most some incentive bonuses for performance and keeping out of trouble and not embarrassing the team with things like the golf course incident. I think there should be a strict no alcohol clause in the contract too. He breaks it, and boom he's gone. If he is really truly serious about wanting to come back to Miami, he'll take it.
     
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  15. brandon27

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    Seriously? That's your response?? Judgemental and condescending.. .yeah, I own that right when he's been a douchebag all his life. He's already ruined this team once, that doesnt even mention what he did in St. Louis, and Buffalo. It's not about a standard, or a moral compass... its about common sense. Try using it sometime. Richie is a cancer. To every NFL team he's belonged to. Not only that, he's not a good football player any longer. Time to move on, rather then climbing upon your self proclaimed high horse, its time you used some common sense yourself. Way to try and deflect from the actual issue at hand here and try and make it seem like im being judgemental and condescending... when in reality im pointing out the facts about someone who's useless to this team...

    believe what you will though... be careful what you wish for though.
     
  16. Fin D

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    Its a simple equation....the quality of his play is not high enough to make the negative publicity **** storm worth it.

    On top of that, he molested a woman at a team charity function.
     
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  17. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    hubris ! :deadhorse:
    not worth further conversation.

    Albert - Smith - Pouncey - Incognito - Zach Martin
     
  18. Fame

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    He didn't just cross one line with one person. He did it with several people, multiple times. And some of those lines were absolutely disgusting. Not everyone deserves a second chance, and this would be Richie's umpteenth chance. He had a bad reputation as a scumbag and a dirty player before he even got here. He's a loser. He'll always be a loser. Let it go man.
     
  19. brandon27

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    You're right. It's not. Back to ignore. :up:

    I mean, really... how many more iterations of our OL that fail miserably are you going to post in your time here??
     
  20. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    ignored by you? :omg:
    don't know how I'll ever survive without your self-righteous, opinionated posts.
    just don't know what I'm going to do! :no: please don't ignore me. anything but that...

    I play to win.:yes: Incognito can help us win.

    :cupid: good bye sweet friend :kiss:
     
  21. brandon27

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    Because heaven forbid someone disagree with you, with facts, and you resort to stupidity rather than continue to discuss. There's a reason why I'm not the only one here with you on ignore.

    Playing to win, would actually mean you'd have to win some sort of debate or argument once in a while though, so I'm kind of lost in that statement from you. You just go round and round in circles with a different OL group year after year that are the new orca 5 or something or other...

    Seriously man... I try, I really do... but you cant seriously think that Incognito is a good fit for this OL, this team, this franchise moving forward. How anyone can think that is completely ridiculous. The media **** storm it would bring back upon us is enough to never, ever bring back a mediocre OL like Richie is at this point in his career. Im sorry if you think otherwise... I really, really am... I feel bad for you.
     
  22. the 23rd

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    brandon27:
    thank you for not really putting me on ignore. you had me worried. never a good thing to lose a friend, especially over differing opinions. be it as it may... lets politely agree to disagree :yes:

    Albert - Smith - Pouncey - Incognito - Z. Martin

    I play to win & this offensive line is a winner in my book!
     
  23. brandon27

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    Oh dont worry, just because its not official yet, doesnt meant it wont happen. It just means I've had too many beers to find the option tonight so I dont get myself into trouble.

    Is that line a winner just like the 4 or 5 you've posted before it in your time here???
     
  24. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Just not a big fan of putting the punishment before the conviction.
     
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  25. What your calling facts are really just suppositions on your part.

    If you want to assign responsibility of who is to blame the most for embarassing the team. I would put the bulk of that on Martin. He is the one who took things into the court of public opinion rather than allow it to be handled behind closed doors.

    I also think the coaching staff shares the blame for encouraging it and not controlling it.

    Incognito, Pouncey, and Jerry all share equal blame but the amount that falls on them is a minority amount.

    If people like Vick, Pac man, and rapistburger can be tolerated than so can Incognito.

    Dont miss understand me I respect where you and others are coming from I just disagree about it being as serious a thing as some are making it out to be. The only thing he is guilty of is being an insensitive jerk who people find offensive.
     
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  26. the 23rd

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    brandon27:
    ignored by you? :omg:
    don't know how I'll ever survive without your self-righteous, opinionated posts.
    just don't know what I'm going to do! :no: please don't ignore me. anything but that...

    I play to win.:yes: Incognito can help us win.

    :cupid: good bye sweet friend :kiss:

    hello: Albert - Smith - Pouncey - Incognito - Z. Martin
     
  27. brandon27

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    Bull****. Don't put the blame on Martin. Is he at fault, yes. He didn't speak up, I get that. But what Richie did to Martin, and the other staff members, and the woman at the golf course.. That's all on Richie... 110%. I dont give a damn what way you want to look at it, that's on him! So don't even try to say the embarassment of the team is on Martin for not speaking up, when he has what to me is clearly a mental disorder. It's on Richie for being a douchebag. Did he think it was all a joke... maybe? Who knows... if you take into consideration his father's posts on here, his racism and such is probably not a joke... its the way he was raised. Did he mean it as a joke.. sure, maybe, we'll never know for sure, but does that make it right? Absolutely not. Now, I agree, Martin didn't handle it properly, but thats irrelevant. Richie is still a douche.

    Yup, the coaching staff shares the blame. You're right. Guess where that got them... FIRED Turner is gone, and the head trainer that sat around and knew it was going on, well he's gone too... so why on earth shoudlnt the creep that was actually causing the damage be gone as well?!?! Jerry already is... so guess what... its pretty safe to say Richie is too.. well within good reason. I dont understand why some people dont get that. Multiple chances.. Multiple teams... Multiple screw ups even while here... you really want to bring that cancer back? For his mediocre on field play, and his exceptional off field distractions??? No thanks... Sure glad you guys aren't the GM around here.

    Its got nothing to do with Vick, or Roethlisberger... we're talking about Richie here... please dont stray from the topic. This is a guy who's been a cancer in multiple locker rooms, and he's been a cancer here multiple times since his arrival. We should be glad to be rid of him... not considering bringing him back, for his mediocre play.

    He's guilty of being far more than being an insensitive jerk who people find offensive... He's ruined multiple teams/locker rooms, and his onfield play is declining. He's done here. At least if our entire organization has half a brain he should be. Again, that's my opinion, and its not even based on his off field bull****. Sure part of it is, but most of it is the fact that he's in decline onfield as well, and he's burned this organization more than once. Worst off... he was put in a position of leadership this season, and made the biggest mess of his career out of it.
     
  28. brandon27

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    Is Richie going to help us win by hanging out at the nudie bars? Doing drugs? Harassing our rookies? Molesting innocent women on golf courses? Committing personal fouls on the field? Harassing our training staff?

    Please enlighten me how an offensive lineman who had a terrible season last year, and even probably last half of the season before can improve this team and help it win? Oh, lets not forget to mention his return will cause a media **** storm that has never been seen before because our organization might actually be dumb enough to agree to bring him back, and create even more distractions for this team, and this locker room...

    Please, explain to me how that helps us win... since you... "play to win" with your 5th OL grouping you've praised in as many years on this site... please enlighten me...

    Oh.. that's right... you cant. So you'll just write me some lame poem. Good bye sweet friend blah blah blah... I aint your friend.

    When it comes down to it... you can't defend the play, or the re-acquisition of Richie... so you'll come up with some powder puff BS about being ignore, and sweet friends, and pretty colors and poetry... cant wait ...

    Please, go ahead, convince me why Richie should be brought back. I dont even know why I ask... because I know you cant.
     
  29. If you agree that Martin shares the fault then why don't you agree that he shares the blame too?

    Unless you were on that golf course you have no idea of the context of what happened or why it was handled the way it was. You are passing judgement on him about something that you dont know about.

    There is a very strong possibilty that Incognito also has some sort of mental disorder. Just because having a mental disorder can explain a persons actions it does not excuse them from being responsible for them.

    If you put a gun to my head and forced me to break down how much blame each had in this mess, it would look something like this:

    Martin = 45%
    Coaching staff = 40%
    Cogs, Pouncey, Jerry = 10%
    The rest of the team = 5%

    I dont really have a problem with the staff getting fired. The easiest way to explain it is if you poke a dog with a stick and it turns around and bites you. You don't blame the dog. That in a sense is what the staff did with Cogs except it was Martin who got bitten.

    seriously dude I dont mind sitting here and exchanging ideas back n forth with you but I do find comments like this insulting. Please try to tone it down it down a bit. You and I just disagree but I dont think your stupid because of your opinion. Please show me the same respect that I have been extending to you.

    I only mentioned them to illustrate to you that Cogs behavior is not something novel. It is previlant throughout the NFL. The point being that the embarassment that your concerned about, teams weather all the time.


    I will give you this one. He does have a history of struggling with authority. Not sure that I would go as far as calling him a cancer but he is a handful to keep under control.

    He is a pretty solid OG on the field and he can play either side. This is the primary reason I think they should take him back.

    Can you be specific.


    Again we disagree about his level of play. I don't disagree that he is a headache for the coaches to handle. I think he is worth it and you don't. I also dont think what he did was as big of a deal as you do. I think his suspension was more than enough punishment.
     
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  30. Richie should be brought back because giving RT the best possible protection should be a higher priority than satisfying people vindictive feelings toward Incognito.
     
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  31. Silverphin

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    Honestly, I think the best course of action would be to distance ourselves away from him. We just got done picking shrapnel from that minefield. Why take another trip?
     
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  32. brandon27

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    Its been pretty well documented what happened there, and that the Dolphins and Richie covered it up as best they could with a quick settlement actually. So... not passing judgement , just dealing in facts.


    Sure, but that doesnt excuse him for acting like a douchebag his entire life, and for racially harassing multiple people. That's not a mental disorder, its called ignorance.

    How exactly in your mind is MArtin the most to blame here... how is Martin to blame for Richie harassing the japanese trainer??? That was all Richie my friend... better take a closer look at the facts and think again... either that or... if that's really your opinion, then I feel sorry for you.

    Never did I say you were stupid for having your opinion. So don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

    I can be quite specific... the fact that our OL actually improved without MArtin and Incognito in the lineup is proof enough. Sam Brenner... an actual nobody by NFL standards performed as well, if not better than Richie. Enough said.

    That being said, I'm done here... This is just ridiculous. If you're fine with bringing back a mediocre player that has caused nothing but problems everywhere he's gone, then that's your opinion. Enjoy it. If it happens, be prepared to enjoy the miserable consequences of it too though, just like this year. Me on the other hand... i'd prefer to see us find someone of higher character (not that it would be tough), and of higher talent (again, shoudlnt be tough) and move on building our team in the right direction.
     
  33. Coral Reefer

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    LOL at people still "shocked" over what really is typical interactions in locker rooms, friendships, etc.
    Unreal.
    If you want to bury Ritchie this is the absolute least of the things he's been involved with that should motivate distancing ourselves.

    I get that we cannot bring back Ritchie.
    It's not because he did anything awful in the Martin instance..... people also seem to be forgetting there were others involved. convenient.
    The real issue is that the situation was so overblown and tried in the media it just wouldn't be healthy for the Dolphins to bring him back.
     
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  34. brandon27

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    Nobody is forgetting anyone else was involved. Mainly because they are already gone by way of not being re-signes or by being fired. Pouncey is the exception at this point.

    I couldn't care lees about what went on between cogs and martin. To me.. Not a huge deal. Bad, yes. But I'd expect it from the NFL. But what cogs did to the trainer. That's not normal. On the gold course. Not normal. Not acceptable. His play... Also not good enough.

    So for whoever said we should sign him to protect tannehill... That's crazy. He was part of the worst OL in NFL history... That magically improved once him and martin were gone...that tells you all you need to know.

    I'm not being vindictive towards Richie. The fact of the matter is... He's been a locker room cancer everywhere he's been. And his play is on the decline. There's zero need to bring him back at this point.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    Your probably right, random question, do you have any thoughts or respect for bill romanowski?
     
  36. Sorry but you have no idea what your talking about, you only think you do.




    But it does excuse Martin for being an overly sensative cry baby who cant stand up for himself



    Martin is responsible for not indicating there was a problem to anyone privately and he was responsible for making it public.



    The way you talk to people reminds me of Incognito.



    Enough said about something I did not ask you, LOL.

    You said that Cogs ruined teams/locker rooms and I asked you to be specific about that, you took it upon yourself to talk about his play on the field. Not to mention you assement is way off about both brenner and cogs play.

    I have never said that Cogs is irreplaceable. My point has been and continues to be that he is a solid upgrade over anyone we currently have on our roster. Signing him also gives Hickey more options in the draft.
     
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  37. scotty_irnbru

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    Victim blaming. Martin worked in an environment where three of his colleagues, one of his trainers and his boss were involved in harassment. Maybe he is overly sensitive, the situation that he was in clearly doesn't help him out. We don't know what went through his mind when deciding to flip out and walk. We do know that in independent investigation put blame on 5 people. 3 are gone, one is still hanging around and Pouncey will be kept. I think it sucks for both us and Martin that he couldn't see a different way out of this situation. Deej. In a separate topic on religion you were very vociferous on bullying and victims. That is what happened here.
     
  38. He isn't a victim.
     
  39. scotty_irnbru

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    Disagree.
     
  40. FanMarino

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    Lets move away from him. The guy brought nothing but trouble and the worse type of media coverage that any team could ask for. I think its poor and indictive of how desparate some ppl are that they are even entertaining the thought of him coming back. Move on.
     

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