Boy....really on alot of those he isnt off by much at all. I really think with another season they get that working like buttah....
about RT: 1) deep routes require time... the offensive line, lack of a consistent running game or blocking worked against the both of them. 2) just hope after taking such a brutal beating last season, Tannehill returns without seeing ghosts on the field. fact is he simply came apart the last two games of the season. hope no permanent damage was done, if not and they correct the offensive line & running game I'm sure Tannehill/Wallace will become an item in 2014. the biggest winner would be Hartline, who you going to shut down?
Tannehill missed a few. Some others Wallace just had to come down with. Not all of them will hit you in the chest. He's gotta dive, extend, fight better for some of these. I think our oline will give us more time this year and lazor will take more shots than Sherman ever did.
Most of those attempts came with a clean pocket, I said it in the middle of the year and I will say it again. Tanny needs better trajectory on his deep balls, too many passes had very little air under them. The good news is that it's fixable and when it is fixed??? Watch out. Wallace was behind the defense a lot more than you saw in that clip, when these two start hooking up we will have a very good offense.
yeah i agree. it is all about timing. his rookie season tannehill was 9th in deep ball passing so he can throw it. signing a receiver is great but chemistry between receivers takes time sometimes. at the end of the year he was overthrowing(very slightly) wallace, which to me is better than overthrowing. the chemistry between wallace and tannehill i thought was much improved in the last third of the season.
But as you can see, the potential to be an elite QB is there. Keep working hard kid. [video=youtube_share;QmA2isFb6uc]http://youtu.be/QmA2isFb6uc[/video]
I hope being great is a good enough incentive, but having 100million wouldn't be a bad consoliation prize. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
So, a number of those had air under them and were also under thrown. I don't necessarily think that is the problem. A lot of QBs throw deep passes with lower trajectory. He missed on high and low. And, it clearly was not all the over/under throws for the year. I specifically remember two or three others. I think the biggest problem with RT is simply consistency and timing. In some ways, if you are able, you need to make your throws like Free Throws. He needs to be able to just fire away in rhythm. * Several times you can see him double-pump before he throws. * Other times he gets happy feet. He is scared at times to just release it. * Other times he tries to guide the ball when he sees him open. Bottom-line, he's just not very good on those deep throws and needs a lot of work. Time will tell if that work pays off. A good bit of it seems to be mental based on his ability to release the ball without double pumping or nervously stepping up. Obviously, if it is a broke play it is different. But, he has to have more confidence and just step up and let it go. He could take a page out of Tom Brady's book. Brady throws a great deep ball and does so in rhythm.
Brady does not throw a great deep ball. Maybe if you are talking 30-40 yards he has a decent ball bc of his timing, much like Manning, but neither of them bomb it very well. Flacco, Ben, he'll even Tebow are an example of letting a receiver run under a ball with a lot of air.
I disagree with Tannehill having to get more air under the ball. I do not care how much air is under the ball, but only that it gets there with some accuracy. Prime example of a guy who has a 'boring' trajectory is Colin Kaepernick. Air is not the problem. Feel is the problem. And I think that his smallish hands play a role in his lack of deep ball accuracy. If anyone has ever played catch with the neighborhood kids with a smaller ball, you can whip that sucker around pretty well (I do it quite frequently, so I am merely referencing from this). Go to an NFL regulation-sized ball and you will notice quite a difference in how your throwing mechanics need to change to get a similar result. With a smaller hand, there is less grip, causing less of a 'foundation' for the ball thrown with greater force over distance. I am not saying that a person with a lesser hand size cannot be accurate on longer throws, only that the dynamics change because of the smaller coverage area on the ball. If you notice, on a good number of his throws, they seem to just lose steam towards the end. This is where the 'feel' thing comes into play. Even if he gets the feel down, we may still see some inconsistencies. For some of the golfers out there, think of the deep ball being a drive. Why are drivers so large? To reduce deviance/add forgiveness; yet, we still hook and slice off of the tee. Going deep with accuracy requires many variables to go right. Some of his throws look great, just off the mark because he is throwing to a target. But a good number of his throws seem to lose steam. I think that his hand size is a sound reason for this. I do not think I am off the mark with this, pun intended.
I agree that it will, but I felt it should have been worked out by at least game 9 last season.(at least with all the Wallace deep throws)
I think there is something to this. Nick Foles on the other hand, has massive hands. 10 5/8" So does Andrew Luck. 10". Tannehill has 9" hands. No one can convince me this doesn't make a difference.
Most of those were so close. I wonder if he just didnt trust his o-line for a lot of those and got nervous attempting a longer wind up. He hits half of those and were more than likely make the playoffs.
To be fair, Flacco has hands under 10 inches and he's just about the best deep ball thrower in the NFL. Vick is also great at deep passes with the ability to flick a pass down field with little effort. He's in the 8 inch range. Rodgers is in the 9's. Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk
Flacco is 9 5/8s. What is your source of the other hand sizes? So does Vick flick it deep down field with great accuracy? Rodgers is in the 9s? 9 7/8s is in the 9s. So is 9 1/8. Just to say in the 9s is being vague.
Heck no. He has a propensity to overthrow guys. He does it at least once per game. He's just good enough to make up for it. Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk
After rewatching it twice, I can't help but feel like Tanny is tossing frozen ropes. I don't know if this will come out right, but I think his base during those throws is too upright....he just doesn't look fluid in his mechanics on deep passes. Here is Drew Brees who obviously lacks the arm strength of a RT, but his mechanics allow him too hit a WR in stride who was hardly open. [video=youtube_share;8VWV_-devqQ]http://youtu.be/8VWV_-devqQ[/video] Ofcourse this is just my amatuer opinion, I'm not Bill Walsh or anything.
Feels pretty freakin good to have a qb where you feel like a few fixes and hes in the upper echelons Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
IMO RT needs to show improvement this year or its time to begin shopping for a new QB. That way you can let a young rookie sit a year on the bench to adjust to the speed of the NFL while RT finishes out his contract. He exceeded my expectations his rookie year considering his limited experience at the college level and how he got thrown to the wolves right away. We really did witness him grow into the position from week to week. year 2: To be honest I was a little disappointed that he did not develop more in the off season but still he showed progress from year 1. I also had concerns that he was going to be a victim of the sophmore slump syndrome which he seemed to avoid. He had so pretty good games and he had some pretty bad games but overall he played solid ball. I would be lieing if I said I was not disappointed that we did not see more development from him by the end of the year but it is what it is. I'm not ready to close the book on him yet. year 3 he really needs to make a solid showing. If he does not show he can do the things QBs are supposed to do and show it with consistency. It is time to begin looking for a new QB to groom. If he looks good next season then you look to extend his contract and lock him up for the next few years. Im hoping RT has some good off season trainers and really works hard preparing for his 3rd year. He does have the luxury of relaxing this offseason.
http://www.eagleseyeblog.com/2010-articles/june/qbs-hands-does-size-really-matter.html The issue here is that you've not given me your arbitrary range of hand sizes that allow for good deep ball throwing so I don't see how you can dismiss Joe Flacco. How am I meant to know what you feel is adequate? A name posted here, Colin Kaepernick, has 9 1/8" hands. Does that 1/8 put him in the range? Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk
When was he good at bombs? With Randy fkn Moss? Brady has never had a cannon, not to say he's not great.
All I'm saying is larger hands are an advantage. Larger than average and the larger the better. They do not all by itself make someone an accurate deep thrower, but everything else being equal, it would be better to have larger hands rather than smaller ones. I don't know of any reason why have larger than average hands would ever be a detriment.
I have a background in baseball and have studied throwing mechanics fairly extensively. The thing that you noticed with Drew Brees is that his wider base actually allows him to do a few things that Tannehill can have some trouble with. Quarterbacks much like pitchers generate a lot of their throwing velocity from hip/shoulder separation and a wider base allows you more time to generate torque from you hips as your keep your shoulders closed and get your hand in a position to throw. I believe that Tannehill runs into trouble on deeper passes because his more narrow base doesn't allow him to get his arm up in time. To accommodate this timing deficiency you'll notice that on deeper passes his front shoulder tends to leak open allowing his arm a path to throw. This leads to an inconsistent release point and a slinging type of throwing style. If you watch Brees in that video you'll notice that his shoulder does not clear nearly as much, which allows him to stay directional as he finishes his throw.
your overall tone is wayyy to critical IMO. Admittedly, Tannehill has won me over fully. Im a big fan. But you said multiple times that you wanted to see more development. What, exactly, did you want to see? A 3 td game? He did a couple times. 300 yd games? He did it. He doubled his td total from his rookie year. He won a shootout against Brady. He went into Indy and a snowy Pittsburgh and won huge games on the road. He made an incredible play against baltimore on 4th down that SHOULD have won the game if not for Clabo being a failure. IMO this team let him down more than he let the team down. As others have said, the deep ball is an issue that, if fixed, could allow him to rise to an elite level. I think almost everything else is there. Again, just my opinion and your more than entitled to yours.
I don't see anything really that mechanically wrong where it is affecting his accuracy, to me it's a tempo thing, the game just hasn't completely slowed down for him yet, I think the trajectory of his ball has good rotation, point of the ball is coming down in the right fashion, get him better protection, give him a ton more reps in practice, and brace yourself, more reps in the actual games, shorten up the release relative to the plays length, and let his natural throwing ability take over, he does have lots of arm talent..long ball is not in the top 3 of my concerns.
What's sucks is that you have a Qb that is better in the league than anyone else at something, and that skill was criminally ignored, thus not taking advantage of the entire skillset thus giving your scheme unnecessary limitations..freakin joke.
Actually, he through excellent bombs to players earlier as well. The Pats did not go deep very much in their early years - they were more ball control and conservative passing. But, he did throw well to Moss. What does that have to do with anything? You still have to hit the guy! The point is, not who he is throwing to, but is he hitting the receiver on the deep pass? Wallace can go deep as well as anyone in the league. But, you also make the mistake in thinking that a player has to have a cannon (Flacco, Roth…) to throw a good deep ball. You don't. You just have to have good timing and hit the player. Most bombs don't go 70 yards. Most bombs are hit 35-50 yards down field. (I know you and others won't give him credit because he's Brady and he plays for the pats). But, Brady does three things well on deep passes: 1) He throws in rhythm of his set up (he doesn't usually get happy feet or double pump as RT does). 2) He throws a great spiral. 3) He has good timing. Same thing with Brees. Brees, as the video above shows, does a good job of angling his upper body. Sometimes it's as simple as fundamental mechanics. RT has some good mechanics and some throws but on the deep ball he has poor mechanics. Of course, it also hurts that we don't have a good QB coach who has experience. That might help him a lot.
Again there seems to be a forgetfulness when it comes to has college career. He's only now at the number of starts a 4 year college starter would have. This should be his 1st year in the league. He wasn't brought in to start. He'll keep developing, I like what I see and I'm sure if we let him grow here we will see great results.
I think the hand size thing has merit. I also think it's a lot of instinct and just naturally there. I've never known someone that was really poor at throwing a deep ball, all of a sudden become magically better at it. One of the things, the only thing really, that Cam Cameron said that was true was you can make an accurate guy more accurate, but you can't make an inaccurate guy accurate. I just think he either does it or doesn't do it. He can practice a million times with him, but if he just can't get it right in the games, that's a problem.
The truth is that deep ball "accuracy" has an awful lot to do with luck and chance. The ball is being thrown several seconds before it is to be caught to a variety of moving targets each fo whom has different abilities to track the ball and adjust their speed to get to it. It is also something for which sample sizes from seasont o season are pretty small. Deep ball accuracy% often fluctuates wildly from year to year. Griffin went from 50% in 2012 to 30.4% in 2013. Andy Dalton went from 46.7% in 2011to 32.4% in 2012 to 44.2% in 2013. Newton went from 40.4% in 2011 to 52.4% in 2012 to 31.3% in 2013. Tannehill went from 43.1% in 2012 to 32.8% in 2013. Flacco went from 34.2% in 2011 to 40.2% in 2013 to 26.1% in 2013. Romo went from 54.1% in 2011 to 38.6% in 2012 to 42.9% in 2013. Brady was 55.6% in 2007 and 32.4% in 2009. Etc.
