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Umm why have we only signed one offensive lineman?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Did I read that right?

    Youd rather have a wart on your colon?
     
  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    No, I guess either English isn't your first language, or you misread it anyway. Ya big silly.
     
  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Actually, Willie Colon was the 5th best pass blocking guard last season. Travelle Wharton allowed no sacks, and was 9th best.
    Colon played for 1.16 mil last year. Wharton played for $1.1 mil. Damn, give them each a 10% raise, sign them, and the interior is pretty well shored up for less than a total of $3mil between them.
    Of course by my even mentioning them, it pretty much puts the death knell on their signings even happening. They never listen to me, and my phone calls are not returned. :)
     
  4. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    You forgot to put "according to PFF". :)

    FYI we can argue all night just don't change your sig
     
  5. ASOT

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    Well it is his fault we are looking for OLinemen. He had 6, count them S I X drafts and we had 1 lineman left, and he is under investigation for criminal activity. He didn't do his job, plain & obvious. Stating otherwise is just sticking your head in the sand.
     
  6. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    If we had the worlds greatest OL and Christian Ponder at QB what would you say then?
     
  7. Fin D

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    Run the football. :shifty:
     
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  8. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Shelley Smith set to visit, don't let him leave the building. He ain't great but he's the best of what's left. Then take a tackle in the 1st or 2nd and another guard soon after and the offensive line should be fixed.
     
  9. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the plan was to get Albert, let the dust settle and find some players that aren't getting huge contracts. If we can get another couple of vets cheap, draft a couple of rookies I think we can put together a good line. The real problem would come in if Pouncey gets a lengthy suspension but we haven't heard anything about that so who knows.
     
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  10. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I really like what the GM has done thus far (though the Delmas signing is rather "meh" for me).

    But, I do think they need to look at the other guards.

    Is there a link about Shelley Smith coming into visit? He would be an upgrade over what we had last year (after Cogs left).

    Of course, there is always Richie Inc. he's probably the best OG on the market, lol!

    But, I think they targeted who they would spend bucks on early. Then look for mid-level OGs.

    Some of those OGs got way overpaid (like Beadles). Of course, there are still some good potential RTs out there. I would not mind going for that and if we have a shot at Zack Martin - he can start at RT or either OG spot, imo.

    And, Anthony Collins is still out there. The longer we can wait out some of these guys the cheaper they come. Would love to sign Collins to play RT. And, then we would just have to fill the guard spot. Wouldn't that be a killer?
     
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  11. sandcastle

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    Perhaps, what made Albert so desirable is that he fits a planned new system so well that also benefit other unproven players. Does Thomas's game (movement, how he engages, etc.) have similarities to Albert's? Last season, Thomas finished as a RT and his scout team work against Miami's hardest working players may have shown some progress.

    The numerous discussions on whether the tackles or Tannehill were at fault for the sacks probably proved that Tannehill will never be successful with tackles that depend on a large back-step and lengthy arms to pass block. The new system probably seeks tackles that can vary how to attack or protect against edge defenders plus take advantage of Tannehill and Miller's speed. Moreover, with Tannehill taking so many read-option and shotgun snaps, effectiveness from a 2 point stance seems most critical.

    If the role of tackles change as I suspect, then guards may be more valued for what they did well last season then run blocking/mobility. While the tackles/backs couldn't hold up against unsophisticated rushers by mostly average players, the interior was successful against more complicated schemes and high quality defenders. If so, it makes talent level of John Jerry a target to slightly improve upon. Saffold fits this logic where he's shown the run blocking expected of Jerry and his pass blocking makes some think he could play LT as Jerry once had.
     
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  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    QB pressures are pretty much cut and dried. Of course, you could go back and watch every snap of each player and compare your totals to theirs.
     
  13. fins104

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    Shelley Smith visiting is a good sign but we can't sign him for too much. Has barely played in his career and isn't good in pass protection. Is a mauler in the run game which would help tremendously. I don't really worry about one guard's pass protection.

    Sign him and Strief and I'm happy with free agency, ready to move to draft.
     
  14. GMJohnson

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    Not exactly. Sometimes the ball is supposed to come out in 2.0 and the OL blocks accordingly but the WR isn't open so the QB holds it. Or maybe the QB calls the wrong protection, or the back or TE and OT don't handle the stunt properly. Pressures and sacks happen for a lot of reasons and unless you're familiar with the blocking scheme there's really no way to pinpoint the problem, not the way PFF claims to pinpoint it anyway.

    No offense to you at all but PFF isn't a place I'd ever rely on for analysis on individual players, if I can't watch the snaps for myself then I'd rather just say I dunno.
     
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  15. fins104

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    PFF takes all that into account...

    They are obviously not perfect but they are much better than most people's individual opinions because they are watching every play by every player which eliminates bias.
     
  16. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Dallas Thomas started for 3 years in the SEC. I'm pretty sure he'll be up to speed by OTAs. Albert, Thomas, Pouncey, X and Garner isn't anywhere near as bad an OL as they fielded last year. I'm not sure what you're expecting.
     
  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So let us just disregard all sack totals and since I really really doubt you can watch every snap of every lineman to arrive at a sack or pressures total befitting your stature as a fan, we can just flip a coin.

    Or, just ignore my posts when I mention sack totals or PBE (Pass Blocking Efficiency) metrics.
     
  18. Eop05

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    I don't share this optimism. I understand that he was a rookie, but even towards the end of the season he couldn't even get a snap with our Guard/Tackle positions in the state that it was. That leaves me with the assumption that he'll be competing for a backup spot at best and will struggle to make the final 53.

    Going into to 2013, most were pretty comfortable.
    LT - Martin was supposed to make a big leap in his sophomore season
    LG - Incognito was a pro bowler
    C - Pouncey was all-pro quality
    RG - Jerry was experienced
    RT - Clabo was part of a highly successful unit in ATL

    2014
    LT - Albert - pro bowl quality
    LG - Dallas Thomas - ? 0 NFL snaps
    C - Pouncey all pro quality
    RG - ?
    RT - Garner no where near the quality we thought Clabo was going into 2013.

    I'm not sure it's even debatable at this point. I don't really know what was so ridiculous in my first post in this thread. I really think we should've went hard after one of the top quality Guards in addition to Albert (which I think was a great, much needed addition). Plugging in Dallas Thomas and another John Jerry type at Guard, and a guy like Garner(who is a solid backup IMO) at RT will be a disaster IMO.
     
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  19. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I think the general point is that free agency doesn't end in 1 or 2 days. It goes on and on even until training camp.

    Oh and we do have a guard dropping in for a visit tomorrow who I don't think will be let out of town without a deal. Let you figure out who.
     
  20. Eop05

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    Hope that's true.

    I agree that it's a little too early to panic(as I stated in my original post). But IF these guards do get past Miami and the pool becomes too thin to the point where we're picking from John Jerry caliber type of players, then that's where I think we're in trouble. Hopefully it doesn't get to that point.
     
  21. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I'm more nuts then most. I'd be all for dropping down from 19 in the draft to pick up extra picks and drafting Antonio Richardson (RT) and coming back with Gabe Jackson or Brandon Thomas later. Although I'm sure that would scare folks to start 2 rookies on the line in the same season ;p
     
  22. MikeHoncho

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    Just one so far. #FIRELAND

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  23. JamesyEsq

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    I actually agree, we still need 3 more starters on the offensive line and the best players available are going quickly, most have gone. You won't get 3 good quality starters in the draft, you might not even get one.
     
  24. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Realistically. Probably not. Chicago was the first team to have to start 4 new guys. In the end they had to start a 5th rounder who was horrible. Matter of resources which you don't make worse by signing mediocre guys to big deals.

    I figure they sign one more starter type and then maybe a reserve type with possibility later. Then it will probably be draft.
     
  25. Phoenician Fan

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    Nate Garner can't play OT. That has been made completely clear. The only time anyone ever mentions Nate garner as a guy who can play RT is on these boards.

    He played a few snaps at RT a few years ago and he was abyssmal.

    Nate Garner is an overpaid backup OG who should be released.
     
  26. mlb1399

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    I don't think we need to fill all 4 spots in FA.

    You can get a good OG's in the 2nd-4th rounds or take one of the top ones with #19.

    Will one of our OG's develop from last year(Thomas, Garner, Brenner)?

    Also, if Clabo can play like he did the last 6-7 games of the season, I might consider signing him to a 1 year deal as stop gap. Then I would like to draft someone in the middle or late rounds at RT.
     
  27. 77FinFan

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    Clabo signed elsewhere yet? I'd take him back. He was solid 2nd half of the season.
     
  28. Da 'Fins

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    The reality is, there weren't a lot of OLs on the board (except top level OTs and Cs). Clearly, the Dolphins need three more linemen. That said, the only OGs I would have been aggressive with would have been Asomoah and Schwartz. But, both of them went fast to other teams while we were getting our OT and two DTs linked up.

    The other guys at OG I would be favorable toward are S. Smith (he hasn't played much and has improved the past two seasons. He could be a pretty good solution at one of the OG slots); the other is Charlie Johnson from MN. He's a stopgap; 9 year vet; good run blocker, imo.

    And the other OT I would like for us to target but we haven't (apparently TB is pretty interested) is Anthony Collins. CK's work on him a few weeks ago really brought out a solid, and young OT who could plug in for another 5 years.
     
  29. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    The only problem with this train of thought is that, well....been there done that... These guys were here last year and didn't show much. Will they improve, likely but how much and will it be enough to field an NFL caliber OL instead of the rag-tag, rag-a-muffins we've fielded in the recent past...

    I'd like to be more sure of what we have than "if this guy or that guy develops"
     
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  30. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    It's the "curse of Incognito" that's plaguing this franchise....
     
  31. thisperishedmin

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    I dont know if this is well known or brought up otherwise at this point...but apparently Saffold failed his physical with the Raiders...signed for 5yrs with the Rams. Does this mean the Raiders take another OT off the board before we pick? Is it a net nothing since the Rams could have been doing the same anyway?
     
  32. MikeHoncho

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    I'd take Clabo back on the cheap, but strictly for depth purposes. Ideally, you'd have someone who can play starting, then some fodder, then maybe a folding chair or traffic cone, then Clabo.
     
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  33. fins104

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    No offense but that is not a very informed opinion at all. He was a great RT from week 7 on. He was not a problem after his rough start.
     
  34. VanDolPhan

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    Hmmm no guesses. Ok here you go:

    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...news.asp?sport=NFL&id=5946&line=284912&spln=1

    From what I hear...he left NE. So fingers crossed.
     
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  35. MikeHoncho

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    Until Buffalo came back and we needed someone to keep Tannehill from hitting the ground.
     
  36. fins104

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    The people who actually watched every single snap in that game by every player says he was a +1.8 while the rest of the line was as follows: -2.7, -4.8, -.5, and -1

    He didn't have a negative grade the second half of the year… but you can continue to spew that he was awful the entire year. If he gives us a cheap deal it would be very smart to re-sign him
     
  37. Vinny Fins

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    we are apparently in on a number of lineman. Land 2 quality guys between now and the draft.
     
  38. ASOT

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    there is also the 2nd round of FA after the draft.....there will be more players out there. It's just will they be enough of an improvement from last year to help THill see his full potential.
     
  39. GMJohnson

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    From the people I've spoken to at PFF they don't take ANY of that into account. They don't factor in player talent, down and distance, game situation, weather, etc either.

    I agree they're better than most people's individual opinions but that's not saying much. At all. Most people have their opinions given to them by ESPN.
     
  40. PhinsRDbest

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    Samson Satele released.
     

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