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Ross warns new owner will move team without renovations

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Dude speaks the truth
     
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    If the school systems in our country weren't horribly corrupt with the money beibg funneled down, there would be no issue with education money.

    Anyone who says we don't spend enough money on education, or thinks we need as much as we do is a clueless idiot. The problem is corruption.
     
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  3. 666Dog

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    I agree. I would also throw in parents and kids being dumb as a box of rocks nowadays. Parents don't want to parent and kids want everything handed to them on a platter.
     
  4. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Administrators suck up way too much money.
     
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  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Contractors and school board too. Plus money is spent stupidly since money in one department in a given school can't give a surplus to another department of the same school.
     
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  6. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Sick of politicians. They don't get partnership with franchises. They also rarely get real economics.
     
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  7. Not sure which of them disgusts me more.

    The mayor trying to threaten people by telling them they are jeapordizing police protection, power, ans educations services or Ross threatening to move the team.

    They are both full of crap
     
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  8. 666Dog

    666Dog New Member

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    If Ross fronts all the money for renovations he better get a tax break.
     
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  9. Its his stadium why shouldnt he pay to renovate it. Should I get to not pay taxes for fixing up my house?
     
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  10. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Because the stadium serves a public purpose
     
  11. So if I renovate my store I should get to not pay taxes?
     
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  12. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Yes, you should be able to get a deal done with the gov if your store is of such importance. A lot of businesses have done this in the past, mines, manufacturing companies, Wallmarts etc.
     
  13. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I don't and never have lived in South Florida, but it would kill me to see the team leave. I wish no ill on the people of the area with taxes and whatnot, but I also want the stadium to be renovated and improved as much as possible.

    If everything with JRS aka SunLife falls apart, how realistic would it be to move to a location north of Ft Lauderdale to a more welcoming community, and stay in South Florida?
     
  14. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Does your store generate thousands of jobs and millions in tax revenue?
     
  15. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You should as well as he should. Im pretty opposed to most kinds of taxation.

    Without this becoming a political debate, why shouldnt Ross get a tax break? Every other owner asks the state to front the money. Ross is willing to front the 400M + if the state cuts him a 3.8M tax break. How is that not fair? Otherwise hed be asking for 400M+ which the state doesnt have and shouldnt use for stadiums anyway. Just let the man keep the 4M. They dont know how to spend it intelligently anyway.
     
  16. If he is not going to use county services than OK
     
  17. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    The problem is demographics. Most NFL stadiums are filled by middle-middle upper class white people, the majority of whom are either from the city or have lived there for a long time. Miami is a city of immigrants and transplants. A large chunk of the middle-middle upper class whites have moved north or left the state altogether.

    And it's not about having a winning team. The Heat are a perennial title contenders and yet AAA is half full at tip off more often than not. Miami is good sized market on paper but in reality it's pretty crappy when it comes to filling stadiums. Moving to Broward might help some but not a whole lot, most of the Broward folk who attend games regularly are already making the trip south for games as it is.
     
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  18. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Honestly, it'd look good on Miami if Ross sold, and the team moves, or if they don't approve this and Ross moves the team. It's their own damn fault.
     
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  19. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    You shut your mouth!!!

    What we need is more white people in Miami. Or more blacks and Latinos at games. The Heat, Marlins and Panthers like this post.
     
  20. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    So what the hell would Miami Gardens' schools be like if the Dolphins never started in Miami? This is almost extortion. Reminiscent of police precincts that include private seizures in their budgets. Gives them an incentive to seize everything.

    Ross never threatened to move the team. Implicit in his statement is that he won't move the team. What he's saying is that there are no guarantees that someone he could sell the team to wouldn't move it.
     
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  21. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Let's not pretend Broward citizens are making a long drive to Miami Gardens... Basically a 15-20 minute drive. I live in Miami/Kendall and the drive from my house is about 40 minutes to an hour depending on traffic. So Broward citizens share just as much blame for stadium attendance as do Miami citizens. Joe Robbie placed the stadium right down the middle.
     
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  22. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    I'm nearly certain that governments somewhere give concessions for capital works and expansion products. Smart governments try to give incentives to deepen capital expenditure and bring about future growth rather than extracting profits for hoarding.
     
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  23. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Well lets face it, the county needs those property taxes. After all, at leas 10% of that money gets to its final intended destination....
     
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  24. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Miami does it for many other businesses, why not Sun Life Stadium?

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
  25. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Pucking Foliticians.
     
  26. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I guess the county doesnt need the thousands of jobs the stadium and Ross bring to the table. Its a game for these clowns.
     
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  27. unifiedtheory

    unifiedtheory Sub Pending Luxury Box

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    Let me understand this...

    Ross wants to do a 400 million dollar renovation to a building that is close to obsolete. A renovation that would create a LOT of well paying construction jobs. A renovation that will have fees and permits out the *** (all of which go to the city). He wants to revitalize an area, possibly creating more opportunity for development, and the accompanying tax revenue. The stadium creates a tax and revenue stream all on it's own, without the property tax crap and he wants to improve it.

    And in exchange for this, all the man wants is a level playing field with other comparable business?

    And people think he's "asking for too much, should be treated the same"?

    Bull****.

    I am VERY against public funding for stadium. This is not public funding. This is a man willing to spend 400 million out of pocket and all he wants is the same as the other guy is getting.

    The alternative?

    He gets ****ed around enough, throws his hands up in disgust and sells the team. Like he said, do any of the "don't give him a cent" crowd think the team can't move? You bet your *** they can. If a new owner gets a sweetheart deal with a brand new stadium do you think he will stay in Miami so he can get ****ed at every corner by local politicians? Not a chance.

    I don't like Ross, for a variety of reasons. I'm starting to warm to the guy though. 400 million dollars buys a lot of loyalty....unless it's in Miami Gardens, I guess.
     
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  28. Berezo

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    It is clear to me that South Florida doesn't want the Miami Dolphins anymore if they are honestly complaining about this deal. He is asking for an equivalent tax break that other businesses get. What is the problem here? South Florida should be saying "Where do I sign?"
     
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  29. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Man, Braman must have a big dick in SoFla. It's the only thing I can think of that is causing the irrationality of the politicians.
     
  30. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Owning a stadium is like owning a boat. If it were a profitable venture then companies would be lining up to buy them.

    The Dolphins could go undefeated for 3 years and Ross would never realize any return from this $400M investment.

    Anyone that questions Ross' commitment is an idiot.
     
  31. VanDolPhan

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    Ross is just being honest. At his age he's not going to own the team for long. If he can't push through what needs to be done when he's giving a sweetheart deal, there isn't a single buyer out there that would keep the team there. Not when the area won't work with them at all.
     
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  32. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Braman actually praised the current plan.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    Wait UT, who the #### is *****ing about this?

    Whoever is, you need to check yourself cause your one of the reasons why this culture is toxic in the first place, all you wanna do is here your self piss and moan, you think when you hear yourself or see yourself in print *****ing that your somebody, you forget about it's not about you, but what's good for team..

    If your ungrateful for the gesture by the owner! after the last gesture by the owner,than why don't you just go screw yourself.
     
  34. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    Go back and read the post deej. You are getting it wrong there.
     
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  35. SargeZ33

    SargeZ33 Semperfi!

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    Move the team to West Palm, and build a new stadium next to Morosso. San Fran did it to the city they represent as well. Less crime, more money, better location to accommodate parking.
     
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  36. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I would hate to be anywhere near the Turnpike or Beeline Highway on Sunday AM's..... Even 95 would be a zoo, which it is already!!!
     
  37. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Because he's donating the stadium to the public. After the renovations, it's theirs. For Free.
     
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  38. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    You have completely misread and misjudged the post and person, brother. he's supporting the owner.
     
  39. Fin D

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    Deej wasn't talking about the poster. He was using "you" in regards to whoever the poster was talking about that was complaining.
     

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