Ya you def missed something. Idk how anyone can say that this wasn't one of the better written shows in recent memory. I think people were expecting some forced overly dramatic end to it but that'd of been way less realistic.
There was nothing deep about this show. It was just bleak. Bleak doesn't automatically = good writing. It was cheap to. It spent 7 hours and 59 minutes telling you how bad and hopeless and horrible life is, then it said, nah forget all that, there's hope because......why not? This show was nothing more than an exercise in taking a typical procedural plot and trying to turn it into art.
Think it was "ever think you're looking at it the wrong way, that it once was all dark, so looks like the light is winning", or something like that.
You act like almost dying wouldn't bring about some pretty huge changes in someone's perspective. And of course someone like Rust is going to be bleak when they had their daughter die. Ok so what are all the shows that have been so much better in recent memory? Aside from Breaking Bad I think you'll find very few.
No I don't. Rust was distraught because life still sucks...the others are still out there, they could have stopped him in 95 and oh yeah, he felt his daughter's love ripped form him one more time.....but the light is winning????? This show spent its entirety trying to be a sad poem that instead of letting you decide how you feel about a given event it tells you very clearly how to feel....just like every episode of Law & Order except it was written in "prose". I have many shows I think were better and for numerous different reasons, not that it matters, its not like you'll be convinced either way. But as far as the topics covered on this show, HBO has already made infinitely better shows in The Wire, The Sparanos & especially Game of Thrones. GoT deals with the exact same themes with out one of its characters specifically telling you every other line that life is ****ed. Minor characters in that show have considerably more depth then even Woody's character. The best thing about True Detective was its cinematography which unrivaled for most TV shows. Other than that, it was fake art.
The Wire and The Sopranos are easily two of the greatest shows in history so if you were expecting one season of this show (w MM and Woody only on for 1) to be on that level then you're completely unrealistic. lol You didn't like that the characters tell you how they're feeling so it's fake art. Ooook.
You're clearly not understanding what I'm saying. Also, you asked for better shows as if there weren't any. I gave you just the first 3 off the top of my head....from the same network. You can pretend that didn't destroy your point, but that's up to you. Its like a painter making a painting and then writes out exactly what the viewer is supposed to feel when viewing the painting. Again many shows are good and do this, but they know what they are and aren't trying to pretend they are some deep meta take on a given genre. A show like Almost Human for example, knows its not anything more than it is, which is pulpy fun and you know exactly how to feel at any given moment which is fine. This show, shows you its bleak, then clubs you over the head with Rust telling over and over and over and over how bleak it is. 'Rust, how to do you take your coffee?", "If you're asking physically, then with my twitching hand. If you're asking on a personal level, then with the accumulated indifference of 1000's of coffees I must have had over the years and after many deeper personal tragedies then I suffered today, if it really is today. If you're asking how I want my coffee prepared...then black, like the souls of all men." So it shows you bleak, tells you its bleak, and pretends that's deep. If you met someone that swore up and down they were interesting and deep over and over and over, you'd hate that person.
My objection is that the show just pulled a JJ Abrams 'mystery box' on us. I mean everything we learned about this cult can be summed up in a small paragraph You have the competing theories of the world between Rust and Hart and then on the other side you have this cult group that is supposedly operating under very different assumptions of the world and the universe. I was expecting these to intersect at some point. But really we were just left with a crazy hillbilly and family coverup
lol Bc it didn't. You're comparing an 8 episode run to two of the best shows ever (neither of which ran recently). Again, you're totally unrealistic here. We'll also just ignore that there's quite a few corny and weak moments in season 1 of The Sopranos. Idk why being bleak eliminates the possibility that it is deep. If you had a guy like Rust who goes through all this awful **** and he's smiling and joking around then you're going to lose way more credibility as opposed to just keeping him depressed and gloomy at all times (which Woody points out to us constantly).
That's what makes it realistic, imo. In reality when **** like this happens, does anyone really understand all aspects of the crazy **** that these nuts do? I think people were expecting everything to be answered and spelled out and aren't happy that all the ends weren't tied up neatly.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't think there is a right or wrong one. I hope this doesn't turn into a 10 page argument. As far as the Yellow King goes, the King in Yellow is a fictitious play in a short story. Instead of the cult being satanic, they built their religion around voodoo. I don't think the background of their religion needed to be explained. And personally, I'm glad there wasn't some supernatural evil being that needed to be dealt with in the final episode. I'm not sure what the deal was with Marty's daughter. That seemed like misdirection to me. Or maybe it just implies that she was somehow exposed to child and/or sexual abuse sometime during her youth.....possibly at the hands of her maternal grandfather.
I think the realism argument would be better were it not for the old lady housekeeper interview scene. This is a woman that was not abused or killed (obviously, but worth mentioning) nor was she a power figure in the cult. She lost her mind as an observer to something. It creates an in-universe reality that the show needed to answer imo. Just like Hart and the sheriff both watched something. It's horrifying and makes grown, hardened men shriek in terror. What is it? Nothing. Its actually nothing but a plot device, a mystery box.
Yes it absolutely does. You asked for better shows in recent memory as if there weren't any. I listed a few. You then go back and make up parameters for qualification. Hell, you even admitted BB was better and that violated this new number of season rule you made up out of the blue. Its your argument, I shouldn't have to hold your hand through it. That's not what I said. Like I thought, you don't understand what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if its bleak or not. Regardless of the message whether it be bleak, hopeful, absurdity...whatever....this is not art because it bludgeoned you with it. It showed it with the story, with every line of dialogue, with the color pallet, with sub stories, with the music. Strong art, generally lets the viewer come to their own conclusions. Weak art tells you how to feel every step of the way (like every Oliver stone movie ever.) Like I said, if a person constantly told you over and over how deep and interesting they were, you'd hate that person AND you'd think they were neither deep or interesting. It is the same thing with this show. Over and over and over, it tells you just how deep and interesting it is, and in the end it was neither...just a typical procedural.
I thought the finale was really good. Pizzalatto had stated weeks ago that the show was more about a manhunt than a whodunnit. Also the scene with Marty and his family in the hospital was incredible. I'm gonna miss both of them.
And its not even a winking nod to that plot device like Tarantino did in Pulp Fiction with the briefcase. It was just cheap.
lmao THEY ARE NOT RECENT AND I SAID BB WAS BETTER IN THAT FIRST POST. I think your problem w this show is you wanted it to be something it wasn't trying to be.
I'm becoming less convinced you can read with every post. They are recent. I acknowledged you said BB was better. I acknowledged it because it broke your multiple season rule (that you made up after the fact.) If Sparanos and The Wire don't count because they have more seasons then why did you bring up BB which also has more seasons. Again, your point was that no recent show was better other than BB. I named 3. You changed your parameters. End of story.
lol The irony. What multiple season rule? I simply said you're unrealistic if you think a show can do in 8 episodes what series like the Sopranos, Wire, BB did.
But its ok to say BB was better? Its cool if you're only halfheartedly paying attention to the argument, just give me a head's up is all.
I feel the same way for you. I don't think Oliver Stone is the greatest but to say films like Born on the 4th of July, The People Vs LF, JFK, etc were weak is hilarious. The Untold History of the US was also very well done, imo.
They were incredibly weak (have not seen Untold History, so exclude that) but not as bad as Natural Born Killers. That movie is the penultimate example of what I'm talking about with True Detective.
WTF are you even trying to prove now? Notice no number of season qualification. In fact you mention BB which had multiple seasons. So at this point, number of seasons is not important. And boom, there it is. Now all of a sudden, the number of seasons is important. Here you are doubling down on the number of season rule you made the hell up. So yeah, as I was saying, if you're not paying full attention to the argument that's all good, but then I won't either and we can move on.
That was before I knew I was going to be debating a show's quality w someone who thinks all of Oliver Stone's work is weak.
The best way to describe this journey of a season is like when you are woken up in the middle of the night to a loud crash. You get up, slowly walk through the darkness. You hear another noise. You're getting a little freaked out now. You summon the courage to turn the light on....turns out it was just your cat
I'm not passing it off as art. This is not a hard concept to grasp. Its fine you don't agree with it, but at least try to make some sense.
You have to assume that the woman having observed something is what made her senile as opposed to old age, or a combination of the two. For all we know she could have been a Tuttle relative or a believer in their voodoo. I'm going to rewatch that scene. What Hart and the sheriff see on that VHS are unspeakable acts performed on a young child. It was already established that Marty has an extreme aversion to child abuse/molestation. His reaction is not unexpected. And since we do not know what they do to that girl, we cannot assume that it isn't something that would make most men scream. I don't think there is anything to read into it. The cult performed truly horrific acts of violence and rape to young children. As to how it fit into their belief system, who knows? There is only so much back story you can get into in an 8 hour series.
[video=youtube;a6thoH9IZ8c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6thoH9IZ8c[/video] "You know Carcosa?" "Him who eats time." "Him robes." "It's a wind of invisible voices." "Rejoice." "Death is not the end." "Rejoice." "Death is not the end." "You know Carcosa." "You rejoice." "Carcosa."
Most of what you quoted there can def be interpreted as the place and what happens in the last episode. The robes, wind of invisible voices, death not being the end, etc.
Well, yeah...because she was there. The robes are probably that the figure that was likely the Yellow King Him eats time? Who the **** talks like that? That isn't senility. It's madness and it was triggered by the figures, not so different than the silent girl in the mental hospital was triggered about the scarred man. They are both more or less numb after their experiences.
