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We need Sam ..we need Sam..we need Sam !!!!

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not saying your a bad person or Christians are bad people, I'm saying Keith that regardless if the church or bible thinks it's a horrible sin, shouldn't you step in, use your common sense, see that there are youths committing suicide because of the ridicule at a young age, and adjust some principles.?, instead I'm hearing that your teaching youths how to judge another person even if that person has no clue why they feel the way they do.?
     
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  2. scotty_irnbru

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    But you are using a group of maybe a couple hundred who get a massively disproportionate amount of coverage due to the fact that they are purposely awful in what they say. The wbc are collectively suffering some massive social impairment.
     
  3. djphinfan

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    So just ignore all teenagers who love the same sex and love god, they shouldn't get the same education about god as ones that are on the strait path...got it.
     
  4. KeyFin

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    I said they were originally Christian concepts, as is feeding and clothing many of those countries that you just named. Without the very religion you condemn, modern society would be extremely different everywhere. I figured you're American since we're on a Miami football forum, sorry if you're not.

    For miracles, I could name many. Stage 4 terminal cancer suddenly disappearing without a trace. People getting into horrific accidents and walking away without a scratch. Money mysteriously showing up, from completely random sources, to help families in a time of need. Finding six people in my life...six different incidents...that were in accidents and close to death, all of which never should have been found. The death of my wife's grandfather, a pastor who died of bone cancer, at the very second his last grandchild accepted God in her life in another room. He smiled, closed his eyes and went Home.

    I could give countless examples from my personal life, but you could also do a quick Google search and find millions more.

    Out of curiosity, do you believe in ghosts? Or have you ever seen a ghost, a demon, or anything that wasn't flesh and blood? I'm only asking because there can be no ghosts without a Heaven and a Hell. After all, why would there be spirits if we die and life suddenly ends?
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Folks who eat shellfish like to ignore that one too.
     
  6. Two Tacos

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    You guys haven't heard of Kinsey? Sexuality is not an either or for a lot of people. It's more of a sliding scale. Some people are firm one way or the other, but others are attracted to both sexes at different degrees. A study recently showed that in a of a group of self proclaimed heterosexual men those that professed homophobic belief's had a higher sexual attraction to photos of gay porn than those that were less homophobic. Attraction was measured by tumescence. That's a general summarization of the findings.


    I've always felt that it probably is a choice for those that say it is, and isn't for those that say it isn't. It explains why so many politically/religiously active anti homosexual public figures get caught banging dudes.

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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ok Keith... I teach my kid that when he grows up whatever/whoever he's into I'm gonna love him the same and to do the same with anyone he comes into contact with..If he turns out gay then me and my son will be smoking big turds in hell..

    It will be a shame because my son truly loves god.
     
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  8. KeyFin

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    You just said that they don't need an education about God. You can't have it both ways...either you believe the Bible or you don't. If you're going to be a Christian though, then it's all or nothing. You can't say, "Oh, I like this stuff about being good to people and heaven, but I'm going to ignore the rest." Now you're saying that you're God and you get to make the rules.

    Sorry bro, but I'm not about to start worshiping to you.
     
  9. MrClean

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    I've never seen a ghost, so do not believe in them. There could be such a thing, but I won't believe it until I see it.

    BTW, your avatar is making me have impure thoughts.
     
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  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That explains the 21 year old child predator, mentally challenged, gay, god fearing young man I work with..he isn't getting any blessings.
     
  12. Two Tacos

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    I thought that one of the basic tenants of Christianity was that everyone was doing it wrong and no one was going to heaven with out Jesus. Including those that followed Leviticus to the letter. And Jesus wanted you to love god and love each other. But then, I'm an atheist, I don't even know which version of the bible is the correct one.

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  13. djphinfan

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    So you can't teach your son to love god without believing everything the bible says?
     
  14. ToddPhin

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    Thanks pappy. If Christians truly wanted to lead a virtuous, non-judgmental life, they'd STHU, leave everyone else alone, and allow an individual's own actions to determine his/her fate just as "God" intended [hence him giving man free will] and would let God be the passer of judgment. But nooo, Christians act as though their fate in "heaven" is tied to the number of people they can convert to Christianity or condemn on God's behalf despite explicitly knowing the only person required by their religion to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior is their own self. They call themselves Christians yet they can't even adhere to the most fundamental principles of their religion. :lol:
     
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  15. DPlus47

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    Good post. I think a lot of us get confused because we think all humans perceive the same "reality," as if the instruments we use to perceive (i.e. our nervous systems) are all calibrated the same.
     
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  16. DPlus47

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    Don't get me started on clothing made of mixed fibers!
     
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  17. KeyFin

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    Sure you can, but your son isn't learning about God or how to gain eternal life. You're teaching him to pick and choose what works for him, ignore the tough stuff, and everything will be okay in the end. That's a lie.

    Look, I'm not going to post here anymore because this has gone on long enough. All I can tell you is that unless you pick up a Bible and read it, this is senseless. If you're a Christian, go to church. Get your kid involved in a youth group of other Christian kids. Talk to your pastor. Most of all though, read John 3:16 and apply it to your life. Dedicate your life to Jesus, and try to walk in his footsteps. You'll fail, but so does everyone else..the magic comes from the actual trying, repenting and witnessing. If you believe and follow the Bible's teachings, then everything will work out fine.
     
  18. FinNasty

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    Do you feel public schools have any less of a problem than Christian schools in that regard?
     
  19. Fin D

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    Wow, you really don't understand anything i'm talking about.

    Being able to say a guy is good looking does not mean you're attracted to that guy. Being homosexual means you are only sexually attracted to the same sex and its that part that is not a choice and it is that that makes you a homosexual. The testimonials you gave do not show people who are no longer homosexual. They show people who choose to pretend they are no longer homosexual.
     
  20. ToddPhin

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    I'm not using the WBC to suggest they're the spitting image of all Christians, however in the same sense you can't simply ignore their Christianity simply b/c you don't like the way they adhere to a strict or primitive form of it. Their Christian beliefs made them the awful way they are, not their DNA. There was also context involved with mentioning the WBC, pertaining to bullying. The false notion was that Christians neither pass judgment nor bully gays, that only bullies bully gays. All I did was grab one quick example to debunk that myth.

    And please don't act like the WBC is some type of extreme aberration. They're modest in comparison to the other Christian-inspired or Christian-involved atrocities like the Holocaust; the slave trade and enslaving of millions of Africans, Native Americans, and non-Christians; and the three hundred years of witch hunts including its general denigration of women b/c they were believed to be the gateway to the devil [see Adam & Eve], were voted upon by Bishops as to whether or not they had souls, were debated by Lutherans as to whether they were human beings at all.
    "Of women came the beginning of sin/ and thanks to her, we all must die" - Bible's Apocrypha.
    "To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure" - Saint Odo of Cluny.
    "Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman" -St Clement.
    "Women is a temple built upon a sewer" -Christian philosopher Boethius
    "Nothing deficient or defective should have produced in the first establishment of things, so women ought not have been produced then". -St Thomas Aquinas


    ... but I'm supposed to believe Christians don't bully or persecute gays whom them they believe their Bible and religion speak against? :unsure:
     
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  21. BicketyBam

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    This thread is awesome.
     
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    I haven't had time to add more to the discussion, however I see that it has born true which was mentioned pages back- that anti-theists typically misrepresent Christianity with caricatures and hyperbole to push their agenda. Christians can simply dismiss most of these caricatures for what they are, false. The one thing I would leave with are the words of Jesus, who said that "in the end many will come to me and say Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and did many great works in your name. And I will look at them and send them away for I never knew them".

    As for the criticism that God hates homosexuality, I will say that homosexual behavior is placed side by side with thievery, lying, drunkeness, fornication etc... sins for which we all are guilty of. However there is hope and this is the Love of God, that while we were yet sinners and sinning, Christ died for us. What greater love than that, that one would die for his friends.
     
  23. adamprez2003

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    this thread is a perfect example of why GMs and coaches are going to avoid drafting this guy. Who wants their team debating religion and morality instead of concentrating on football? Add the media circus and it's a perfect storm of distraction all for an undersized backup 4-3 DE who looked like **** playing standup 3-4 OLB. Which is why we probably will draft him, because we're the only team stupid enough to do so
     
  24. MrClean

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    I have a male cousin who is 100% gay. He has never been sexually intimate with a female in his life. We talked about sexuality before and he said it would be interesting to try it with a female once just to see what it's like, but he feels no arousal whatsoever when it comes to women, their aura, physical appearance, whatever. He has had the same man as his life partner for over 30 years. I don't need some self righteous Christian do-gooder telling me that my cousin, or the thousands of gay people like him have some choice in the matter.

    Like Kinsey said though, it is a sliding scale. Not all people in gay relationships are 100% gay. Some have relationships alternately with the same sex and the opposite sex to varying degrees. I guess those who are like 50/50 bi are the ones who probably piss off the Christians the most.
     
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  25. ToddPhin

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    Firstly, HAHAHA that you think Christianity is what prevents people from acting amorally and that non Christians are incapable of living honest lives. Just stick your head in an oven and turn it on high. Your brain is more valuable melted on the bottom of it than spouting about a society without religion.
    Secondly, a cop's duty isn't to religion; it's to law and society.
    Thirdly, and most ironically amusing is- you're describing actions endorsed by and practiced in the Bible.
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  26. Fin D

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    that's why i say, the ability to be attracted to the same sex or the opposite sex or both is their from birth. we come out of the womb with one of those three.
     
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  27. Rocky Raccoon

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    My first time checking this thread and I see Todd is posting passages from the Bible. :lol:

    Think I'll check myself back out.
     
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  28. MrClean

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    And placed side by side with eating shellfish, wearing clothing of mixed fiber, planting your fields with a mixture of seeds, crossbreeding cattle, eating pork, tattoos, et al.

    I notice that Leviticus only speaks of man with man. Nothing about women with women. I guess lesbians got nothing to worry about. That's cool. I'm happy for them.
     
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  29. Fin D

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    I'm happy for me too then....:shifty:
     
  30. MrClean

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    Of which I totally agree 100%.
     
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  31. MrClean

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    According to the recent poll I linked earlier in the thread, 86% of NFL players have no problem with having a gay teammate.
     
  32. ToddPhin

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    ....and I especially love how ignored-to-a-fault and ironic this one is:
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    It's amusing how self-richeous Bible beaters around the country condemn and pass judgment on Michael Sam [or any homosexual for that matter], believing he's a sinner and will never go to heaven b/c of his actions, but ignore the fact that their judgmental actions will be sending them to the same place they believe homosexuals are headed. And let's just squash one thing, Christians. You believe God can hear your thoughts, so telling us you don't pass judgment on others isn't fooling anyone, or at least isn't fooling the one guy that matters. You don't even have to vocally do it for it to qualify. All you need to do is think.... which you likely do every time you see a gay couple, gay ad, gay anything and those judgmental thoughts flow through your mind.

    Now obviously if you're a truly virtuous Christian who actually does abstain from judging others, then my post isn't directed at you and you have nothing to worry about. I might not be fond of Christianity but I do respect Christians who respect all others equally as they do themselves. I won't tell them how to practice their religion [so as it's not hurting anyone else], just as they shouldn't be telling non-Christians how to live their lives or suggesting what will happen to them should they not accept Jesus as their savior. Again, if you truly do follow Christian doctrine, then you accept that God gave man free will and did so for a reason; therefore, imposing your beliefs on others, passing judgment, trying to convert others to Christianity only serves to defy "free will" and therefore is a defiance of God, a high act of insubordination of the worst kind- an attempt to influence man's free will and prevent him from determining his own path to heaven or hell. So just think about that next time you try to convince someone to attend church with you.
     
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  33. FinNasty

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    I never EVER made that claim. You completely twisted what I said. I said that the religion does not teach that... NOT that there aren't those out there that do that.

    But whatever... go on your tirade if it makes you feel better.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    Seriously... who's gunna hate on some woman on woman action? :wink2:
     
  36. KeyFin

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    Saying you're the first gay NFL player takes guts. Saying you're the first NFL player that doesn't want a gay guy watching him shower? That's literally insane and it's not going to happen...unless Incognito says it.
     
  37. adamprez2003

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    and the same poll said approximately 50% felt he would have a tough time in the lockerroom. which is the more important poll to a gm or coach? plus 50 people polled does not make a valid poll. i would think the number would have to be 500 or more or you would have to adjust for categories like christians. how many devout christians are there in the nfl anyways?
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    You mean your not gonna post in this thread anymore right?
     
  39. FinNasty

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    So then why the hell have you been such a dick to me in your posts? lol. I dont know how virtuous I am, lol... but have you not read what I've said consistently and repeatedly through this entire thread? lol
     
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  40. KeyFin

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    I fully agree....and as a Christian, it honestly makes me really mad too. I go to church with my parents, my wife and my two kids (both of em girls), and we won't be out of the parking lot before one of the four women say, "Oh, did you hear what so and so did? I can't believe that, she's such a...." Or another example, my wife will come home from work and say, "Did you hear my brother got in a huge fight with his wife?" It's so easy to get drawn into stuff like that and take sides, so I always try to say that I don't want to hear it. Of course, we're all guilty of judgement...just like your comment judged people who judge people.

    You're partially confusing judgement and witnessing though. If you look at the life of Jesus, he spent his adult life wandering from town to town spreading the word of God. He wasn't saying, "You're the scum of the Earth and I'm embarrassed to be around you," but he was encouraging the lost to live better lives. Additionally, he didn't stand on the church steps and preach either...he went to the worst parts of town and preached in the bars, the brothels and the hospitals.

    By the way, I've never claimed to be a great Christian. I read the Bible, go to church, and try to live my life right. I mess up all the time though, as does the truly virtuous Christians you mentioned. As I've said in almost every post, I'm not trying to compare myself to anyone because I'm not any better than the next guy...but I do try to live my life like Jesus. If He were here, on this forum, and he saw people trying to re-write the Bible to fit their agendas, I'd like to think He would do the same thing I did....share some scripture and point out the blasphemy.

    If that's offensive to some, then I'm sorry...you're just going to have to be offended.
     
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