http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10458607/lose-crucial-parts-code-nfl-locker-rooms Meatheads defend the meathead culture; of course they do—that's all they know. And, being of limited intelligence and lower EIQ (Emotional Intelligence Quotient), they can't abide anything that threatens the hierarchy. It's the only way they know how to function. I'm glad that inexorably, albeit slowly, the world is growing—maturing. It's the morons like Incognito, Nietsche's "broken and botched," that hold us back. But we'll get there.
I object to the insinuations of most of the media that there is some kind of, ethereal, presence of evil, or dysfunction that is dominating the Dolphins organization. All these problems were caused by certain people making bad decisions, and stupid people of low character can be replaced with smart people of high character. That process is underway and has really just begun. I, for one, believe that the Dolphins can change the way they do things and the way they evaluate personnel, and can quickly become a class organization again as in days of yore. Sometimes it takes something just like this to cause an organization, or person for that matter, to wake up! and turn it around, and go the other direction. It is time for the Dolphins organization to stop compromising, and start filling their job openings with quality people from the owner on down. Ross, literally needs to have his head examined, and he just plain shouldn't speak publicly anymore. He needs to find a new face of the franchise, someone to speak for him.
Thanks for posting that, Nabo. I would have missed it if you hadn't. I'm also a big Nietzsche fan. Philbinfan, I don't think there's some kind of cloud of evil around the franchise, but once a culture of permissiveness has been established, there's usually one course of action on the way to changing it: clear out the people associated with it. I don't think the skills needed to turn this around--such as understanding players as people and also understanding how to lead men and create a professional environment--are things that anyone can learn on the fly. Right now, the inmates run the asylum, and it appears that Ross has untied the warden and told all the inmates that the warden is still in charge. Let's see how this goes... (FYI, I understand that it's probably too late to fire Philbin now, so we have no choice but to watch this play out.)
That is BS. Human beings are tribal creatures. It doesn't matter how intelligent they are. You see this all the time, in the gaming community, in the scientific community and pretty much any community where people feel part of something and then they feel threatened by something outside of them.
i agree with everything he said. the only thing i would like to add is that sometimes you might have to put hands on someone if talking and reasoning dont help. people know right from wrong. incognito and the rest can play dumb all they want, but they know that if the shoe was on the other foot and they were constantly being namecalled and harrassed, they wouldnt call it a damn friendship. they'd be ready to throwdown. since there is not an ounce of leadership in this entire organization, sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands. hell, martin might have lost the fight, but if you get enough licks in, they will leave you alone (i know this from personal experience from my freshman year in college football).
That is a the price of a very young team with only a few veterans in it... Those that can intimidate can and will the younger ones... I always thought this team really lack leadership since JT left the team... Coaches can inspire it, but you have to have the right culture and character in the team...
The lack of leadership on the team rests squarely on Jeff Ireland, the biggest football idiot of our time. It will take a lot of work and at least a couple of years but the team can be changed by acquiring FA's of high character and leadership ability and drafting the same. Pouncey and some of the other low life morons on the team need to be traded or released. They never should have been acquired in the first place. Philbin didn't instigate any of this crap, nor did he draft or sign any of these effing idiots. How the hell is he the warden of some sinister prison. Nobody bears more responsibility for this crap than the guy who put this whole leaderless group together. Firing him was a good start. The purging must continue.
Exactly right. It goes to the lack of vision in roster-building, something I've been saying for years, even through several administrations. Youth is great; the Seahawks won with youth. But there has to be a balance, and I believe that each unit needs some veteran leadership. Would Jason Taylor have been as great if Trace Armstrong hadn't mentored him? We'll never know; but I'm glad Armstrong was there. It's not one thing or another, it's not any one thing or two; it's the lack of a cohesive vision which has been the greatest detriment to this team for a long time now.
I must don't understand how there was not ONE...ONE player willing to stand up and say "cool it man" "what you are doing is not a good thing and its not that funny anymore". Its almost impossible to find a group of 50 men not having one guy that would do this. Its basic locker room leadership 101. Its mind boggling that Ingoc-meathead , Jerry and Pouncey were allowed to act like middle school bullies at least and total garbage human beings at worst day in and day out with not a peep from anyone .
No, it isn't. Where are you getting that idea from. The locker room culture is the result of the people in the locker room and the guy who hired them bares the responsibility. How many times have we heard it from coaches and players alike, head coaches in the NFL don't even go anywhere near the players locker room. You are completely wrong on this issue. Joe Philbin is not, nor ever should be the warden of the Dolphin locker room.
I couldn't disagree any more than I do. It's his team, his locker room. It's his responsibility to make sure it's in order. To create a safe environment. Do I expect him to know every little thing that happens? Absolutely not. But, I do expect him to notice a problem that was going on for his entire time there. This wasn't a one time incident. This happened multiple times, for 2 years to multiple people. I 100% expect him to notice something is off. Him not isn't an excuse. It's a problem
The world isn't growing and maturing, people are just becoming a lot better at deluding themselves. The whole basis of the PC culture is based on lies and deceit from people who openly perpetuate the idea of understanding, but their underlying thoughts and actions act in complete reverse. Also why do people think Martin had to resort to fists in order to stand up for himself? Were there no other options other than just sit there, participate, contribute and laugh off the whole ordeal?
I'll bet you your house that it's because for most of the men in that locker room none of this was an issue. All of this is a natural interaction of joking and ribbing others. There are people that can go to extremes with each other in a joking manner and realize that this is exactly what they are doing, just ribbing and joking. Again, it's all about context. One man in that locker room could not contemplate those types of interactions internally even though he clearly gave all the other guys interacting with him in this way the go ahead to continue by continually participating in the exact same banter. This is so blown out of proportion. I'll say again that I doubt any of you freaking out about this have ever been in a locker room on a regular basis with competitive athletes.
Philbin is a weak man simply for allowing a situation where it's possible for a clown like incognito to have such a profound impact on the team and its culture. The 2013 Miami dolphins projected this meat head culture as a result instead of a philbin culture.
Joe Philbin is not responsible for anything I agree. I say since he's not, we just cut our losses and fire him now.
Did you ever consider that this IS the Philbin culture, he knew about it and he didn't condone it ? It's the quiet ones you got to watch
Anything is possible but there is no indication that Philbin contributed to the culture. He simply buried his head in the sand and let the inmates run the asylum. Either way he shouldn't be the head coach.
I don't know if you can really blame JP completely. Sure, he is the HC, but... The locker NFL room culture is said to belong to the players... and I am sure other NFL locker rooms have different cultures, which are set by their players... We had an alpha male that was not challenged by those players that knew what was going on... for what ever reasons... If players want to have jokes on other players, IMHO that is fine, but when you bring in coaches, assistant coaches and trainers into the mix, you get a team like the Miami Dolphins offensive Offense... Philbins main job is to get all those players handed to him and make them get the best out of their talent and sills which will assist them to win games... that is his job IMHO... If Philbin would have had his way, Incognito would have been gone after the Golf Tourney incident... and maybe would have never had the offensive mayhem this year... but hindsight is 20-20...
I disagree with this. People act as if Martin had just punched Incognito this all would have ended, he'd have earned their respect, and the rest never would have happened. Yet JMartin witnessed what happened when McDonald stood up for himself. Pouncey and Jerry both double teamed him, held him down and mimed homosexual rape on his bare ***. Martin also did try to tell Incognito when he crossed the line at Pouncy's party and the result was Incognito punching him in the face and knocking him back on his *** while everybody else stood by and cheered. All of this is in the report. This wasn't a 1 on 1 conflict (which, I'll admit, Martin didn't want to get into anyway because he is a very non confrontational guy), this was always 1 against everybody else. And there simply weren't enough "1"'s to stand up together. Who was going to stand together? Should Martin have gotten a gang together of himself, practice squad player McDonald, Garner and the assistant trainer and come together to dig their heels in to fight to Incognito, Pouncy and Jerry? [/quote] since there is not an ounce of leadership in this entire organization, sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands. hell, martin might have lost the fight, but if you get enough licks in, they will leave you alone (i know this from personal experience from my freshman year in college football).[/QUOTE] I call BS on two levels. First - This isn't high school or college football. These people are supposed to be professionals and with the exception of Charles Barkley there hasn't been a single coach or player that has said what happened in the Dolphins locker is typical of a professional locker room. Second - Incognito isn't a typical NFL player. His problems on and off the field well before coming to the Dolphins is well documented. It's a fact that he was a fat kid and was bullied himself and so he got strong and became the bully. Can you name me the bullies on each OL throughout the rest of the NFL teams? How man NFL teams have people with as checkered of a past as Incognito? How many of them put him in a leadership role? There's no evidence that if Martin did try to get physical with Incognito that he'd have backed down. In fact, there's evidence, in the report, that when Martin did attempt to draw a line it only got worse. Physically confronting a bully is only a viable solution to the problem if you can actually beat the crap out of that bully.
5.0, if you've read my prior post, then you would know that i've said and argued with many on this site that this doesnt happen in every locker room. it's the result of no leadership whatsoever in this entire organization. racism and harrassment isnt the norm in football locker rooms.now, as for your examples you provided about the 2 instances where martin and mcdonald tried to stand up for themselves. i ask you this: where does it mention that martin or mcdonald ever made contact with the bullies? all i see is them trying to confront them by talking, which is fine as a first reaction, but if that doesnt work sucker punch the hell out of the ring leader. growing up in inner city detroit and playing high school and college football teaches you that sometimes respect can only be gained through showing people you're not weak. that doesnt mean that you have to win every fight, but that you actually have fight in you. this is where martin and mcdonald failed. okay so you got punched in the face, it happens. how about getting back up and hitting back.
The seahawks have the exact same average age as us. 26.4 yrs. Age is only one factor. Leadership or the lack of is by far the biggest. It starts at the top.
yea the kind of leadership that allows for how many suspensions in the last couple of years for PEDs? they win and have talent. that is the difference
