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Rotoworld ranks NFL head coaches

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Honestly, Philbin should get more leeway then Carroll did, simply because of the experience issue. You'd think Carroll's experience would have had him putting out a better product his first two years in Seattle. Meanwhile, Philbin had to endure Ireland & the Incognito scandal right after his son died and he still has one more win then Carroll did in his first 2 years.....with an inferior team btw.
     
  2. Aquafin

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    I think its past time to clean this entire team once and for all before something more bust wide open. I wanted Philbin to succeed but everything is pointing towards Philbin not being qualified and maybe now is the time to remove him so we get this circus under control.
     
  3. jdang307

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    He took over a 5-11 team, overhauled it with 200 transactions, they improved by 2 games, snuck into the playoffs and then whooped the NO Saints, oh who happened to be defending Super Bowl champs.

    Philbin took a 7-9 team and went 7-9. The next year his team had a chance to sneak into the playoffs, just needed to win one out of two, and blew it.

    The only thing similar to these coach's campaign is the regular season record. That's it.

    Philbin has this year. So far he has done absolutely nothing to impress. He developed gameplans in GB but didn't develop the system AFAIK, and didn't call plays. Here, we used Sherman's system and Sherman's playcalling, and did not want to fire Sherman after this disastrous season. I'm still looking for a reason anyone wants to keep him around.

    What does Philbin bring to the table?
     
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  4. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Lets look at the expectations people had at the start of the season.

    The 'phins were widely considered to be an 8-8 +/-1 team. Dolphins fans had us at 9-7 +/-1. That was before anyone knew we had the worst OL in the NFL.

    When the dust settles going 8-8 with a sophomore QB behind an historically bad OL isn't a bad achievement.

    Now if Philbin was a better coach the OL situation wouldn't have been so bad, but a large part of the problem seems to be cultural and predates Philbin's arrival. That doesn't absolve Philbin, but puts his performance into context.

    I also don't care much for what happened on Defense this year, as I think our talent was good enough for us to be well in the top 10. But our scoring defense was good considering the yards given up, so again not a total loss.

    Philbin for me has demonstrated that he has sufficient ability to be an adequate NFL coach. Since coaches who cannot make the grade are far more common than great coaches then the risk is that replacing him is more likely to make the team worse than making it better.
     
  5. ASOT

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    actually it's ROSS who was hoodwinked....we, the fans, have nothing to do with it.
     
  6. GMJohnson

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    Lol who brought Jackson in, wasn't it Carroll? Youre also forgetting they traded a 2nd rounder for Charlie Whitehurst and gave big $$$ to Matt Flynn. Then Wilson comes along and now he's some kind of genius? That's sounds more like playing the result than an honest assessment. Jmo.
     
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  7. Fin D

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    Amen.
     
  8. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Certain people on this site act like we have been making the playoffs every year and this team has earned the benefit of the doubt.The reality is we have made the playoffs once in the last 10 years.Forgive people for being impatient especially when all you needed to do this year was beat one of the 2 worst teams in the division to get into the playoffs and the coach didn't have his team prepared.Ever hear of fool me once shame on you,fool me again shame on me.
     
  9. Fin D

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    No one is acting like that at all.

    The inverse however is very rampant.
     
  10. Philbin is where he belongs on that list
     
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  11. Limbo

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    Could've been, I don't know. But it doesn't matter.

    What matters is having a legit QB: a guy who is worthy and capable of being a multi-year starter. Carroll went two years without a legit QB, which explains the 7-win seasons. Seattle then found a guy in year 3 and won a Superbowl in year 4. Philbin has had a legit QB - a talented top-10 pick who looks the part and has played every game since he got here - since day 1 and has yet to make the playoffs. Tannehill is much MUCH closer to Wilson than he is to Tarvaris Jackson. Fin D tried to hold Carroll's first two years as similar to Philbin's when they just aren't really that comparable, imo. The QB is everything.

    If Philbin spent his first two years coaching teams led by Chad Henne and Tarvaris Jackson, I'd wager that not many folks would be comparing his record to Chuck Pagano's, the guy with Andrew Luck.
     
  12. Fin D

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    I see so, its your contention that if Philbin and Tannehill traded teams with Carroll and Wilson, Carroll & Wilson would have won the SB for Miami and Philbin & Tannehill would have went 8-8 with Seattle?
     
  13. Fin D

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    Philbin couldn't make any transactions. Hell, Philbin wasn't even allowed to get rid of Cogs and replace Martin. Carroll lucked into Wilson.

    Calling plays has nothing to do with being a good HC. Drafting and implementing the gameplan however, is a solid indicator of being a good HC and that's exactly what he did in GB.

    Yeah, he didn't want to fire Sherman and that very well could be a solitary blind spot for Philbin considering the guy was his mentor and everything...we don't know, but that is the most troubling flaw so far.
     
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    He does know how to project the personality of a cantaloupe that’s learned how to talk

    that line is gold. pure ****ing gold
     
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  15. BicketyBam

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    Where would you rank Philbin in his division?
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    3rd. Ahead of Buffalo's Doug Marrone
     
  17. JPPT1974

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    Philbin will have one more year to prove himself. This is the year!
     
  18. Limbo

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    lol, trying to find where I said that...oh wait...

    Seattle had a better roster than us this year, yes, well done pointing out obvious sh-t. To entertain your question, I think Miami would've made the playoffs and Seattle would've gone 10-6.

    Do you think a Tarvaris Jackson-led team, whoever the coach is, should ever be expected to win more than 8 games?

    And to keep with your two year thing...Before Carroll took over, Seattle had gone 9-23 in the two prior seasons. The Phins went 13-19 before Philbin took over. Who took over the better team, then? Carroll, with a bad QB situation, managed +5 wins in his first two years. Philbin, with a top 10 pick at QB, has gone +2.
     
  19. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Look I'm not saying their situations are identical. But Carroll was quite successful in his first year. Philbin was meh. Neither good nor bad. If given a reason Philbin is the guy, I might even give him two more years. But I can't find any reason why.

    Not sure how picking a guy in the 3 rd round equals licking into him. He's not Tom Brady yet.
     

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