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We need Sam ..we need Sam..we need Sam !!!!

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If someone on the team has a problem with it, then release or trade them, if anyone looks like they have a problem with it, release or trade them..

    This culture and team is toxic, we need someone who has an identity that is unmatched, and at this point and time, considering the circumstances, have we seen a person with a stronger identity than Michael Sam?

    I don't think so..he was born a certain way and I don't care who he's attracted to, I do care that he is willing to stand up and tell the world who he is, in the face of one the most powerful organizations in the world..the NFL.What guts, what leadership, everything that this team is missing..

    I started this thread because I don't want it to get lost, make fun of it if you wish, call it an overreaction, so be it, but the campaign begins now, this culture, this franchise, this team, needs Michael Sam, I hope that you can see that,

    As for the players, if you have a problem with that, or him, in any way that isn't related to the field,then go somewhere else to play, I don't want your kind..
     
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  2. slickj101

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  3. vt_dolfan

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    DJ...

    Why do we need Sam? Do we need him because hes a great football player, and a good person? Or because hes gay and showed courage by coming out? Michael Sam would tell you your wrong for wanting him for that reason. He should be treated like every other football player, his sexual preference should have nothing to do with anything.

    But...Im curious why you werent saying we need Sam, BEFORE he came out publicly.
     
  4. Jimmy James

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    This is the last team that needs Sam. It's a locker room in crisis. If it goes badly, it would have the potential to devastate the team and give the NFL a massive black eye.
     
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  5. Stitches

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    Possibly any number of people who never felt the need to hide who they were from their teammates?
     
  6. Triggercut

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    I don't think any NFL team "needs" a 6th round or undrafted tweener
     
  7. vt_dolfan

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    It was in crisis.

    Why in the world is it in crisis currently?
     
  8. Jimmy James

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    A lot of the people involved are still rostered.

    Even once they're gone, a lot of people who probably did know about this stuff and let it fester are still there. It's like cutting out a tumor and then declaring the cancer cured 5 minutes after the surgery. Nope. Only time and examination can confirm we're cancer free.
     
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  9. Larry Little

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    I agree. Draft Sam... then Incognito needs to kiss him full on the mouth to show his support and acceptance. Then, Ted Wells can file a report on the kiss.
     
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  10. MIASportsFan

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    We have no need for another DE. No need for more media drama. And no need to draft a controversial middle round prospect to come in and try to be a leader as a rookie who won't even get snaps
     
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  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    isn't it obvious, your team is lacking everything that he represents as a man, his leadership, his courage, his willingness to play the game under unprecedented circumstances, his never give up character, his passion for the game, and most importantly,

    HIS ABILTY TO UNITE HIS TEAM AND FOR THEM TO CALL HIM THEIR CAPTAIN..

    Look deeper into your own team, this culture, then look at what this kids makeup is all about, and what kind of impact he had on his teammates, and town..

    He won a whole team and city over by who he is..he won all of their respect..

    We need him regardless if he doesn't have first round talent, bottom line, Michael Sams talent is worth the risk of a draft pick.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Speak slick.
     
  13. djphinfan

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    completely disagree, get rid of players who think that he would be a distraction or cancer..they will indict themselves.
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, well where are they?
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why the hell do you consider him controversial is the real issue
     
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  16. MIASportsFan

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    If he wasn't controversial, there wouldn't be days of debate over a 4th round DE in the national media.

    Sounds to me like you are just a gay rights supporter (no problem w that) who wants the Dolphins to take him to make a statement, as opposed to what actually improves the roster. We have a tough enough time finding snaps for Jordan. This guy wouldn't even play
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Every team teams needs players who will do anything to win, every team needs a guy who will stand up to adversity and spit in it's face, every team needs great leadership, every team needs inspiration, if you can get it all later in the draft, all the better.

    I'll bet you Pouncey , incognito , or John fat *** Jerry wouldn't say #### to Michael Sam...lol..damn strait they wouldn't.

    That's why he's the perfect fit..to set a new example of what kind of character will become Miami dolphins.
     
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  18. Jimmy James

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    Oh, I agree. If this team has any racists, homophobes, or bullies left and we do this, they'll be exposed. Will they be exposed in a manner that destroys the team and gives the NFL a giant black eye given the Martin saga? I think the answer is probably yes. That's why we can't go there IMHO.
     
  19. Stitches

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    All around I would imagine.

    Not everyone who is comfortable with themselves and of strong character gets a **** ton of media coverage.
     
  20. Stitches

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    This is funny.
     
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  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    BS..it has nothing to do with supporting gay rights or simply just to make a hollow statement, it has everything to do with the character and guts displayed by the player, combined with the lack of character and guts displayed by your own team.Thats why I want him on this team..

    I think he can literally change a lot of what's wrong.
     
  22. Stitches

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    So you'd be ok with Chris Borland then instead of Sam?
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    why is it funny, you think it's funny that no one in this team had the guys to stand up to incognito, that no one had the guts to help a wimpy man.?
     
  24. MIASportsFan

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    You can only provide so much leadership and character when your a middle round draft pick rookie who doesn't play. In fact I could see the players rejecting him as they would think Ross just took him as a PR statement given we have Wake, Vernon, Jordan.
     
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  25. Finrunner

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    I put most of this in the Club, but I'll put it here as well.

    I was listening to Colin Cowherd at lunch on the way to playing basketball, and he had former Palm Beach Post reporter (now reporting in New England), Greg Bedard, on his show. I kind of liked Bedard when he was here, and PBP followed him up with Jeff Darlington, whom I also liked. Both are gone and have been replaced with guys I don't prefer as much, but that's beside the point.

    Anyway, long story short, what Greg Bedard was saying after studying Sams tape - football and only football - is that Sams is an average pro prospect at best and he wrote an article for MMQB on CNNSI here stating such:

    Bedard also mentioned on the radio show that there were several better players than Sams on the Missouri team. Now, I haven't done a study on Sams tape, and it seems like at least a few guys here have different opinions about how good Sams is. The SEC thought he was pretty good as well. I just thought I'd offer up an alternative viewpoint. And the gist of the whole segment was "football only" - and the conclusion as stated above was that there was a chance Sams may not get drafted, and it would have nothing to do with sexual preference.

    Personally, I think that's going to be a little hard to buy, but it was interesting. Anyway, where do you guys legitimately see Sams getting drafted. Is Bedard just way off base?
     
  26. Stitches

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    No, it's funny you want people gone for bullying then call a guy a disparaging name (ie bullying).
     
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  27. djphinfan

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    Your not interpreting what I'm saying in the correct way..I'm all a bout finding guys who have the type of character you believe Borland has.I feel confident that Sam has displayed courage and leadership before the draft that demonstrates traits that I want for this team, and that I think it desperately lacks.

    Why do you have a problem with that..
     
  28. djphinfan

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    Whatever, if your bullying someone, which we know he did, then you deserve to be called what you are..fat *** Jerry..

    Weak.
     
  29. MikeHoncho

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    We need Chuck Norris.
     
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  30. djphinfan

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    I've stated on the site that his talent warrants fourth round range, it's about risk vrs reward..
     
  31. Stitches

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    My problem is with you deciding he has courage and leadership because he admitted to his teammates that he was gay 3/4 of the way through his collegiate career (and really you only started championing him because the media made a big deal of it, you didn't mention him one iota 5 months ago I bet). If he was such a courageous individual, and such a leader, why did he have to wait so long? Yea, he's totally going to come into a next level and be a leader of men and completely change the culture of a locker room and be viewed as a pillar everyone can lean on, especially after this report (Wells) coming out.

    I'm sure Sam is a commendable individual, and I don't care if he's gay or bi or whatever, but championing him for FINALLY admitting to everyone, including his teammates who are supposed to be his brothers in arms, who he truly is not showing more strength of identity or leadership in my opinion than someone who is themselves from day 1.
     
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  32. slickj101

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    All of those about sum it up for me.
     
  33. Stitches

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    So two wrongs make a right, I got it.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    Wow...the kid was a teenager, nice patience you demonstrate, fact is he did, and he did it again before the NFL draft, which is something that no one has ever done before, know why?, because it can affect your chances of making a team and making money for your family, but he did it anyways..

    Disappointing response I must say.
     
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  35. Stitches

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    I am not being critical of Sam and his decisions in some attempt to attack him, I am being critical of you championing someones leadership, character, and identity only after the media plasters the news about how courageous he is.
     
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    What we most need right now is a reconstruction of the offensive line from top to bottom with focus on high character guys, independent of their sexual orientation.
     
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  37. djphinfan

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    I'm not denying that the kid wasn't on my radar 4 months ago, I am adamantly saying that because of what has transpired and what has been displayed by both the dolphins culture and this kids character, I think the fit and risk on talent is more important for this team than any other..

    Trying to say that I'm about him because of the media is insulting..

    I believe in myself and what this team needs and how to identify certain things in players..I'm willing to risk on the talent side for the intangible side.especially where I can get him.
     
  38. Jimmy James

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    :up:

    Oher?
     
  39. djphinfan

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    I'm championing him for what he did and what he represents in doing it, who the frig cares if I saw him on tv doing it..

    If you think my opinion is based on what the media has portrayed then you know what you can do..

    The man was on tv telling the world, your harping on the fact that I watched him do it...lol, whatta joke, you obviously have no clue for where I'm coming from and how much I've thought about it.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    I see..
     
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