Farmer now Cleveland GM, did the media lie about us again?

That's the best you can do?

I am not defending Fin D just stating you haven't proved him wrong anymore than he has proved you wrong. Yet you act like hid opinion is weak cause its opinion but yours is gold cause its you as if the requirement is to sway you.

I apologize but these types of posts irk me as if u don't have to prove it but he does

I hope Hickey is the man, don't have faith have wait and see

 

Right.

As you claim, he simply used us for leverage.

What I'm trying to understand is why that's a positive, or any better than our structure being a problem?

We still have more people using us than actually want to work for us and we're not getting the top guy on our list, anytime.

 

He brought it up, not me.

If you're going to list an excuse for every guy who turned us down, at least have a good one.

 

So essentially the Browns have completed a clean sweep. People theorize that there's no way of knowing Farmer and Pettine will get along but one of the positives that has been noted about Farmer ALL ALONG has been his willingness to get along with anyone at all. He's able to steer clear of the kinds of politics that get these guys fired and now he's got the big seat as a direct result.

And I happen to think Mike Pettine is a good coach. As schmo said in another thread he wouldn't be my 1st or even 3rd choice for a head coach but that doesn't make him a bad coaching candidate.

The Browns get a clean sweep, they get a streamlined football organizational structure with Farmer and Pettine as the department heads reporting directly to the owner, with guys like Wiedmeier (caps and contracts) and Scheiner (who has an extensive history in football analytics, I'm told) providing support.

To me that looks less confusing than the Dolphins structure, and it's got people I like more than the Dolphins people.

So I don't know how we sit here and pretend the Browns are so much of a joke.

 

So awesome.

 

Ray Farmer at Cleveland PC denies he knew he had Browns job when he declined Fins 2nd interview

"That job was not right for Ray Farmer", per James Walker

But I suppose he's a liar.

 

Criminal dbag owner and Brandon Weeden are plenty of ammo.

 

Why would he lie about that?

 

I think you can believe all of them.

 

Ok.

Let's start at the top. There is no reason to not believe that our structure was a problem for Casserio and Farmer. Farmer said it himself, both at the time and today. Casserio never said anything so I guess you can believe what you want about him. Dawson also questioned the structure but since he and the Dolphins have different stories regarding whether or not he was offered the job, I guess you can take him out.

Second, nothing has happened to sugegst that such a narrative was false. But even if it were, and you are 100% correct about us simply being used as leverage (by multiple guys) how exactly is that a good thing?

Other than Parcells in Atlanta, where else does this occur where temas fail to land their preferred candidates every time. Find one other example. the only other one is Cleveland, and if you want to be compared to them then be my guest.

And I'm not saying you have an agenda. You just want to believe that every move the team makes will work out, which is fine. But then you get belligerent when people disagree

 

He turned down our interview 3 weeks ago.

In that time Lombardi and Banner hired a coach. Farmer was not invovled in the interview.

Yet you believe that farmer knew this entire time that he just had to wait around for the Browns job to open after Haslam was done completely embaressing himself and his organization?

Or you could just take the man at his word, which he stated multiple times. Our job wasn't for him. He didn't understand the structure and wasn't inetrested. End of story.

 

But he turned down the second interview two weeks before that, after expressing his concerns with the structure to John Wooten, who then spoke to the media about it. Wooten even urged him publically to finish the process.

And all of this requires the belief that the Cleveland Browns kept a major shakeup like this secret for 3 weeks while still allowing Banner and Lombardi to lead the coaching interviews, give press conferences, go to the Senior Bowl, etc.

 

A lot of these GM's probably declined because Ross inexplicably wanted to tie them with Philbin on a 2-year deal.

 

You are correct #4 does cancel out one or the first 2 and that is that Jeff Ireland sucked.

Jeff Ireland drafted and gave this team enough talent to make the playoffs and possibly further if:

1. the coaches were capable of "coaching up" the players
2. the coaches were capable of making in game changes in strategy(sign of rookie coaching staff)
3. we were one win from playoffs and controlled our destiny - we **** the bed instead

It is so nice to see you are changing your mind on Ireland or at least starting to admit that maybe, just maybe you were wrong

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...wns-arent-dysfunctional-with-a-straight-face/

Jimmy Haslam takes a Fin D view of the world

 

Once again -



You literally just validated Phin's point, along with my point and Schmo's, and then called him stupid. You certainly do have an interesting style of debate.

 

Everytime I want a raise I play whatever company is willing to put what they'll pay me on paper so I can get the bump. Has no reflection on the company itself. I just need someone who is willing to make an offer.

 

But he didn't make up the excuses, they were either stated or intimated in reports thru media or social websites. Whether you believe them is each persons right.

Proving either side is impossible, none of us know the intimate details. Yeah some get inside info and not saying it isn't accurate, but how much bias is involved? Still 3rd hand no matter how u slice it

Now it may be biased but 200% accurate

Time will tell all

 

Hahaha this thread is amazing. Everything is great in Miami, they got the GM they wanted all along, nobody really turned down the Dolpĥins, everything else is just media repeating BS to the world and everybody but the Dolphins is lying about the whole process.

And those who don't agree with that can't see the reality standing in their face. Lucky that ONE guy can see through all this.

 

You insinuated it was stupid to compare Miami's GM opening to a 49ers GM opening. Thus validating Phin's point that Caserio wouldn't be worried about being shielded if he were interviewing for a GM vacancy with a good team. Thus invalidating your original point about Caserio that he needs to be shielded by Belichick. Thus validating the overall point that GMs were turning down the GM job in Miami because it is not a desirable position, especially when compared to other teams.

Jesus Man is right.

 

Farmer did not have a guaranteed GM job when he turned down Miami. There also isn't a notion that the power structure isn't desirable to some candidates. The candidates themselves have straight up said so.

 

Are you even listening to yourself? You're making the same arguments you are raging against. The Miami job is not / was not desirable. An 8-8 team in flux. Why is it in flux, Fin? Because of ownership. Because of uncertainty at coach. Because of the organizational structure.

And you're calling me irrational? You're either being really funny in this thread and trying to get a rise out of people or bat **** crazy. Either way, very entertaining.

 

Sure, all those things could suck (I don't think they do), and the team could still end up being average. That is inherent to the NFL's business model. It has become a game of chance by design. You could pick names out of a hat and you'll likely end up with an average team.

Also, you omitted Dawn Aponte, who is among the best in the league at her job.

 

and to add to this- even though there's no way of knowing our new GM [or who he should've been] would get along with whatever HC or VP of Football Admin that would've replaced Philbin & Aponte, he sure as sh-t would've had a better idea of whom he WOULDN'T get along with. But of course the lollipop gang wouldn't wanna be concerned with these sorts of honest truths.

 

You're right.

We were desirable to a guy like Dennis Hickey with no other options.

 

Oh, wait. So you mean top notch candidates from winning organizations were not interested in the Dolphins job? But isn't that what you spent weeks screaming at members of the media for insinuating? And have been screaming at some of us, calling us hateful for even suggesting?

You get crazy angry at everyone, only to do a 360 and make the same exact point that you have been raging against. Epic. This thread has made my day.

 

Parcells left some good players, that's the only reason this team is mediocre and not pathetic. Ireland added almost nothing to the team once Parcells left.