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Playoffs/Superbowl thread

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by anlgp, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    So Tavares Jackson is going to have more rings than Christian Ponder.
     
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  2. Anonymous

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    And yet, we are top ten in PPG the past two seasons. How do we accomplish that if he's as bad as you think?
     
  3. CaribPhin

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    Safe as in no tight window throws, good amount of throwaways, rather than no deep shots.
     
  4. CaribPhin

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    Yards are a much better measure IMO. Short fields affect PPG.
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

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    I disagree with that.
     
  6. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I like points per possession better, we were 12th there. Though as someone said field position impacts that as well. Not sure where our defense started on average.
     
  7. CaribPhin

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    Just repeating what was relayed on this very forum.
     
  8. Anonymous

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    Completely disagree with that. Yards are a volume stat. The game is decided by the score. And we do a damn good job of stopping the offense from scoring.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    I like that. Any idea where I can find it?

    Edit: From what I found on sportingcharts.com, we ranked 9th this season.
     
  10. CaribPhin

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    Points are a volume stat. A volume stat is a raw stat without any statistical treatment.
     
  11. Fin-Omenal

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    I don't doubt that, Then in the same breath defend Ryan who has had some really dark Sundays as a Dolphin.
     
  12. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    Dolphins do not have a top 10 defense with coyle, come on
     
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  13. Anonymous

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    Well, in Points Per Drive, we ranked 9th from what I can see. That's much more in depth and efficient that PPG.
     
  14. Sumlit

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    Except more yards mean extended plays, which means more time the defense is on the field, which means tired defense towards the end of games, which means giving up points late, which this defense did plenty.
     
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  15. Anonymous

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    Statistically, we do.
     
  16. Fin-Omenal

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    Figures lie and liars figure.

    Anyone who has watched this team realizes our defense is quite pedestrian. Those "stats" don't factor in us playing against some very underwhelming QBs etc.

    We aren't top 10 no matter what people wanna google.
     
  17. Anonymous

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    We did give up points late. Over the course of the game, however, we did not give up many points. Which is very good. And helped rank us in the top 10 in PPG.
     
  18. Anonymous

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    Uh, we faced Brady twice, Rivers, Luck, Brees, Newton, Ryan, Big Ben and the Bengals. Where were you this season?
     
  19. CaribPhin

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    I could just as easily cite Yards Allowed Per Possession. What you would want is something like Field Position Adjusted Points Per Possession. By the way, unless we have some sort of frame of reference, it's just our opinion. We'd need to determine how random points and yards are and then potentially correlate them to something. I'm pretty certain points are much closer to statistical noise compared to yards.
     
  20. Sumlit

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    But that's why this defense is not as good as stats say. The bend but don't break style ends up costing them in the end with points giving down the stretch.

    Apart from the games they lost by giving up late scores (Baltimore and Carolina come to mind), the defense was a couple of desperation/lucky plays away from coughing up more than a couple of games. Pittsburgh and New England come quickly to mind.
     
  21. ToddPhin

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    We should've been higher.... and we should've had less 2nd half and 4th quarter brain farts..... and DEFINITELY should've been better than 24th against the run, but that's what happens when you get a DC putting the less reliable Olivier Vernon on the field in base D over Randy Starks. There were a few games we were getting gashed in the run game yet Coyle stuck with a more traditional front with Vernon at RE rather than switching to a 4-3 Under/Over with Starks at DT and Odrick replacing Vernon at end as a 5-tech. Dion Jordan could've seen SOOO much more action if we employed 4-3 Under fronts with Odrick at RE protecting him, but NOOOOO, Coyle has gotta prioritize his goddam preferred scheme over the players and at the expense of player development.
    And you wont see Seattle giving up a free end of half FG to Carolina on a major f*** up that costs them the game.
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    Foles took a higher percentage of deep shots than anyone in the league IIRC.
     
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  23. Anonymous

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    I can't argue with that. I'm not sure a statistic like that exists but it would shed light on how this defense is. I just don't see it as bad a defense as some think.
     
  24. Anonymous

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    I think you can point to most defenses and show that they gave up points in the end to lose games, though. Especially in the positions our defense was put in this season because of our offense. It's the nature of the game today.
     
  25. Sumlit

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    Don't think he had a higher percentage of deep throws, but I do think he was the most accurate.

    He should have said Foles takes a good amount of quick single read passes and a good amount of high percentage, high YAC passes. But you can't knock him for that. He did what his offense dictated and did it extremely effectively. Can't knock him for that,
     
  26. maynard

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    I barely watched the Eagles this year, so I don't know. But sometimes the scheme and running game are so good that the deep throw is the safest and most wife open play. RG3 rookie year for example. Everything around the QB is clicking so his job becomes much easier. Of course he has to hit those throws

    Something that will fly under the radar of tonight's post-SB analysis is that Denver never had a chance to get the run game going. A bit part of that offense relies on Manning being able to hand off to Moreno on 2nd and 3rd and short to convert, keeping the D on their heels. Not even Manning can play one-dimensional ball
     
  27. ToddPhin

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    So b/c we statistically did good with a talented defensive group that means you think we couldn't have done even better with a better DC? How about all the blown second half and 4th quarter leads? How do those factor into your stats?
     
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  28. Anonymous

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    Coyle did adjust. He played Odrick at end last season. He kicked him inside this season and Odrick flourished.

    I don't think the run defense came at the cost of putting Odrick inside and Vernon at end. I think Wheeler/Ellerbe were responsible for the run defense suffering.
     
  29. ToddPhin

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    yours maybe.
     
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  30. Fin-Omenal

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    Big Ben and Ryan?? This isn't 2012. And that "The Bengals" is Andy Dalton. I'd take RT over Andy Dalton.
     
  31. Anonymous

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    It was a talented defense, and they played well. I think had we kept Dansby and Burnett, there wouldn't be much complaints about Coyle.
     
  32. Sumlit

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    I don't really buy that. Sure our pedestrian offense did the defense no favors, but the defense shoulders a large percentage of the blame themselves. Plenty of times the offense did enough to tie and go ahead in the 4th quarter only to have the defense allow big plays and big 4th down conversions down the stretch. Like I said, Baltimore and Carolina are perfect examples, and Pittsburgh and New England could have very well ended in disaster for the same reasons.
     
  33. Fin-Omenal

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    Bad is one thing, top 10 is another.

    The defense is good until about quarter number 4
     
  34. Anonymous

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    Big Ben and Ryan are good QBs. Dalton is bad but that Bengals offense is dangerous. You have to mention them. They scored 40 points at home in 4 straight games at one point.
     
  35. Anonymous

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    We did stop them in the Baltimore game! Remember the pick 6? Followed by the 3 and out? WHat happened after that? Offense went 3 and out.
     
  36. Anonymous

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    Malcolm Smith Superbowl MVP.
     
  37. Alex44

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    I'm interested to see if Seattle will be able to maintain this success long term. Not win a SuperBowl every year, but keep their defense at this level.
     
  38. jdang307

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    The most prolific offenses in recent memory have all failed at the end. Minnesota back in 1998 or so, Pats and Broncos.
     
  39. Anonymous

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    Also, WIlson is just the second African American QB to win the SB. 3rd youngest QB to win the Superbowl. First in the 2012 draft class to win it, which hurts because I wanted Tannehill to have that honor.
     
  40. Sumlit

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    Defense allowed late drive and field goal for the loss. Again, offense did them no favors, but all those yards and extended plays they allow throughout the game end up costing them in the 4th quarter.
     

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