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QUESTION: Will Hickey be a better GM than Ireland????

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Stringer Bell, Jan 27, 2014.

Will Hickey be a better GM?

Poll closed Feb 10, 2014.
  1. Yes, Hickey will be better

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  2. No, Hickey will be worse

    48.9%
  1. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    I was referring to our exact same views on a certain post. Although, you're not far off about the media practices thing either.
     
  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    At least the media will tell us what they know even if they don't/can't disclose sources...
     
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  3. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    It will take just one draft, one offseason, to determine whether he is an idiot or not.
     
  4. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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  5. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I'm surprised this is even a close poll, let alone that Ireland is "winning."


    What happened to the Ireland is the worst GM ever sentiment?
     
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  6. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Everyone has to start somewhere, why don't you guys stop pouting like children and give the guy a chance. Some of you are talking like he already has screwed up our cap and ruined our draft. Get a life.

    Thanks
     
  7. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Dolphin fans have to have their scapegoats. Ireland served his time and now it's on to the next 9
    one.
     
  8. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    Fickle f***ing fins.


    Ireland is now some kind of quaint hero while Ross has officially been crowned the warden of Phin-hell.

    Is there one individual on this organization that does not get routinely ripped and shat on by it's fans? Wake maybe?
     
  9. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Ireland had to go. He wasn't awful. But he continually proved he couldn't put together a team without having a position group or groups with such colossal holes and glaring weaknesses and little depth.

    BUT, it appears they may have just replaced him with a less progressive version of him.

    I think we're about to see what the difference between a slightly below average GM(ireland) and a well below average GM are.
     
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  10. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I see that to this point you have not taken part in your own poll. Why is that?
     
  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Probably because it was a loaded question. What you have is a lot of former Ireland apologists taking some validation in the fact that Stephen Ross might have hired a worse GM than Jeff Ireland.

    As if Dennis Hickey, whether he ends up being worse or not, somehow validates their love for the former pasty legged GM.

    Jeff Ireland was a poor GM and deserved to be fired. Stephen Ross is a terrible owner who just may have hired an even worse replacement. It doesn't suddenly validate Ireland. So I don't get the point. But I know what the agenda is.
     
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  12. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think you're just too paranoid. Probably stems from your obsession with Ireland. It is just a question.
     
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  13. Chad Muska

    Chad Muska Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree with your last paragraph, I'm pretty sure Ross managed to hire a guy who will be worse, maybe much worse, than the previous GM.
     
  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I have just never noticed anyone starting a poll and then not participating in it, by making a choice in said poll.
     
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  15. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Guys, I understand the allure of trying to make a name for yourselves off of me, but please lets not turn this thread into being about Stringer Bell.

    FWIW, I didn't answer because I have no opinion. I thought Ireland is average, and statistically speaking, I think you're just as likely to find someone better as you are to find somewhere worse. Thus, its a 50-50 proposition that Hickey will be better.
     
  16. thisperishedmin

    thisperishedmin Well-Known Member

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    This is my sentiment...nothing to do but what and see... It was indeed time for Ireland to go...consistently mediocre with some issues was the agenda under him. Regardless of the outcome, we knew what we would be getting time and time again - so I'm glad that we're at least trying something else.

    However, I cant say that this choice instills much confidence. There is nothing to do but see how it plays out, at this point. I'd say the odds arent great that we end up loving this pick in a few years, but anything is possible. We've seen previously perceived bad coaches turn good, and the good end up awful. Even with my glass half full take that I'm stuck having no choice but to adopt...I will say that the way all of this played out has been ****ing disastrous. Apparently far from our top choices. The whole search was a bumbled disaster, there is no arguing it.

    Honestly, at a certain point I was hoping we'd just keep gaine for a year or two and **** can it all if nothing improved. Sounds like this may still be the outcome, but who ****ing knows what to think at this point with this owner. Canning everyone in a year doesn't exactly help our next search either, unfortunately. I hope that by November next year Ross has his plans set up for all his offseason instead of g etting caught pants around the ankles like he did this year. If we're stuck with him, I hope hes at least keeping notes and getting ready to do it right when the time comes.

    Lastly - heres to hoping Lazor is a ****ing miracle worker and gets this offense into baller mode ...otherwise next year might be a real bummer as a fins fan...
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Pissass
     
  18. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This guy has said/asked things to draft prospects that if they were to have gone public would have been every bit as embarrassing as that incident.

    One thing did get out and that was his interrogation of Myron Rolle, whom he accused of abandoning his teammates by becoming a Rhodes Scholar.

    I'll give a hint that another controversial question was asked of a draft prospect during last year's draft process, which got out because the player mentioned it during a media interview and didn't realize it would spark a big controversy and league investigation. We all joked that it was probably Ireland, given his history. But knowing what I know, I've got money that says it was Dennis Hickey. And even if that particular instance wasn't Hickey, it doesn't matter because I know he has regularly asked that same question to other interviewees.
     
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  19. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    CK summed it up well. Ross did the unthinkable and hired a guy even less qualified. Crazy.
     
  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'm not putting anyone down. I'm trying to give you what information I can. Do not blame me for not giving away more when the people that have told me this stuff have made it clear they want me to keep it as private as possible. You accuse me of being snarky for giving you what I can? That seems pretty snarky itself.
     
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  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    50 percent of the time, it works every time..

    Yup, the whole front office thing is just a big scam..
     
  22. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    You referring to TE Nick Casa and the sexual orientation questions?
     
  23. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    What's snarky is that you're going out of your way to let us know that you know so much more than we do, but you will not tell us what it is you know. Aside from hinting at things after much prying. The message board fan research comment was over the top.
     
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  24. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Sorry but that's a pretty weak statement, Monst. Every fan on this forum is a Miami Dolphins fan first and foremost and has been long before Ireland arrived. For you to think a crowd of people are feeling solace about this hiring for the reason you mentioned, despite it being at the expense of the Dolphins organization, is f***ing ludicrous. It's the Miami Dolphins, not the Jeff Ireland Dolphins. What you're essentially suggesting is- life long Miami fans want the team to fail just b/c Ireland is no longer here. How do you think that makes sense? I dont get it dude.
     

  25. Its a loaded question because there is nothing to base an answer on. The answer is an emotional response
     
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  26. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    I addressed that on the 1st page. BS like this just produces substance-less arguments and a lil false grandstanding, with people claiming to have factual evidence of something that hasn't even happened yet.



    What's new I guess.
     
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  27. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Never suggested anyone wants the Dolphins to fail. But take a look around at those who supported Ireland to the bitter end. If you're not picking up on the, "See, I told you so!" attitude from some of them since this disastrous hiring process has played out then you're not paying attention.
     
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  28. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    IF you kept it as private as possible ,you wouldnt have even posted that you know anything at all about it. That would have worked even better, no?
     
  29. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    I thought the exact same thing, then it hit me. He realistically has NO way of knowing if he`ll be better or worse, so he refrained from taking part in a silly question.
     
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  30. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I voted for Hickey in the poll, I was just making an observation about how it was close and it surprised me because of the sentiment of the board over the past 2+ years. Had nothing to do with any sort of "told you so!" :confused2:
     
  31. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    If thats what hes referring to, its hardly "holier than thou" worthy of secret info and secret sources.
     
  32. ConvenientTruth

    ConvenientTruth Member

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    The question is almost impossible to answer as we have no idea how Hickey will do when given the chance to be the decision maker himself. All we have at this point is speculation based off Tampa's drafts and off-seasons in which he participated in, but did not have final say. We cannot not assume he personally would have made the same decisions as Dominick. I think it is easy to bash a particular moved based on media perception, but without any actually witnessing him in the role of GM most can only speculate.

    What I do know is that Ireland needed to be let go (maybe a few seasons too late). His drafting, particularly in the second and third round were atrocious and is one of the reason this team had to spend so heavily in this past off-season and one of the reasons they seemingly can never get past the NFL version of purgatory.
     
  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Can we quit making every post about "how can we know" like the OP is looking for someone to be 100% provable correct answering his question?

    It was merely an attempt to gauge what you guys think may or may not happen considering the universally low opinions of Ireland & Hickey.
     
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  34. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    There is plenty of factual evidence available about Hickey. Its really no different than the hiring process in any industry. You base an opinion on someone's work history, resume, references, etc.

    This shouldn't even really be a controversial topic.
     
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  35. ckparrothead

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    The message board comment had absolutely nothing to do with you whatsoever but for whatever reason you decided to get a bee up your butt about it. It was purely intended to let you know that I'm not basing what I say on rumors from Buccaneers message boards or the opinions of some Buccaneers fans or some such. I'm basing what I say on off the record information gotten directly in conversations with people inside various organizations, in the scouting community, or in the plugged in media. The comment had nothing whatsoever to do with you.

    You're tilting at windmills. You expressed doubt about certain things regarding Hickey and I told you that from what I know, certain of those fears may actually be pretty well founded. I was giving you information, just not as much information as you want. You want it all. Well I can't give you all of the information. I can give you some, and so I did. Instead of being grateful you're acting petulent because you want all of the information rather than just some of it.
     
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  36. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    You've pretty much negated any logic behind your vitriol here by declaring the hiring process "disastrous".
     
  37. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Really?

    EDIT: Never mind.
     
  38. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    hubris & an unscientific poll... the question in reality is a disguised negative statement of which I refuse to be a part of in any way.

    why not just say what you really mean: "six of one, half dozen of the other."
    i.e. we sucked & continue to suck the implication being, we are losers & will always suck.

    phuc miami 4-ever!:deadhorse:
     
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  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I don't see your vote.
     
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  40. ConvenientTruth

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    So it is better to jump to conclusions about a topic many have very little information on...
     

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