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how long should t take to build a really good team ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Aquafin, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    I don't know how other fans think about this but I have to ask this question in reality how long should it take to build a really good to great team ?


    when was the last time we scored more then 17 points a game three games in a row or better ? the last time we had a wr score more then one touchdown in a game if I 'm not mistaken is Lamar Thomas scored 3 td's n the Denver game in 1999 or 2000 I thought maybe Welker or Chambers might have score more then 1 td in a game but I lost that information so I am not sure about it .

    it seems to me that it should take 5 years at the most but AM I being too impatient or am I expecting too much on this subject ?

    I don't have a problem if the team had a record like this.

    example year 1 we go 6--10 and have a offense dead last and a defense ranked 20 th .

    year 2 we go 8-8 and have either a great defense but a average offense

    year 3 we backslide to 6-10 due to unexpected issues .

    year 4 we improve to 9-7 and have a top 15 offense and a top 10 defense.

    year 5 we improve to 11 - 5 and both units improve.


    but to keep going 7-9 or 8-8 and have one of the worst offense at a time when offenses are exciting and are scoring in the 38 to 42 range. is unexceptable


    so I am wondering how long should it take to rebuild compared to other teams ? I say 5 years 6 maximum so how long should it truly take to build a good to great team?
     
  2. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    1 offseason.
     
  3. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    TBH I didnt read the post. But I think we are an offensive line away from a solid playoff team. And then a linebacker along with the offensive line away from being a serious contender.

    That is of course with us resigning Clemons, Carrol, Starks/Soliai, and Grimes.

    I also think we need either Taylor or Davis to step up or to sign a better Corner #2. Patterson is too injury prone.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    As long as Philbin improves the team in the third year, then he can have the job.
     
  5. seabass0795

    seabass0795 New Member

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    We scored 17 or more 3 games in a row three times this season and both Rishard Matthews and Brandon Gibson had 2 TD games this year. Clay too if you count him
     
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  6. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    How long could it take? As little as one off-season if everything goes right. Realistically? Two off-seasons. We could still make the playoffs even if everything doesn't go perfect, which I doubt it will. And considering our offensive line needs 4 new starters, I'm not holding my breath that it's getting completely situated during this off-season.


    1. Developing the young guys: Namely, Tannehill, Clay, Miller, Jordan, Taylor, Davis, Vernon, and R. Jones. Those 8 guys are critical to next season's success.

    2. F.A.: Sign our important F.A. to solid deals and acquire a few nice offensive line pieces. I really don't want to see the team break the bank like last year. But we also can't afford to neglect an offensive line that needs 4 brand new starters. Which is why I don't have confidence the line gets fixed so easily, which may require an additional off-season. Either way, if we get two really good lineman in F.A. and draft one early, it's a good start.

    3. Draft: I don't think it's realistic to think we'll get 6 day one starters. But I certainly hope whomever we draft in the 1st and 2nd will contribute a hell of a lot more than our 1st and 2nd did this year. No hate on Jordan or Taylor, I never expect much out rookies in general, but I was hoping for more than we got. In Jordan's case, I'm scared the coach's have no clue what to do with him and/or force him to be a LB because of Vernon. Anyway, neither here no there. Day 1 and 2 rookies would need to make a positive impact.









    In general, I think 3 years of team building should be good enough to build a good team, if there's more good than bad (drafting, Fa, etc...). With the Dolphins specifically, inconsistency killed us.

    - Nick Saban installed his system and drafted/signed his players then bolted after two years.
    - Cam Cameron installed his system and drafted/signed his players then got fired after one year.
    - Parcells installed his system and drafted/signed his players and bolted after two seasons
    - Ireland/Sparano installed their... system or whatever and Sparano got fired after two seasons without BP. Would of been one if Harbaugh was signed.
    - Ireland/Philbin installed their systems and drafted/signed their players and Ireland got fired after two seasons with JP.


    We're the model of inconsistency... As I said before, this team fails because every coach we have is using the previous regime's leftovers, who in turn were also using the previous regime's leftovers. Meanwhile, they all have different schemes on offense and defense, and are plugging in ill suited players because they're under contract. We're the poster boy of ineptitude.
     
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  7. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    If they can relegate Ellerbe and Wheeler to backup roles and special teams, and replace them with quality starters, that would be a nice start. Converting to a base 3-4 defense would get it done by putting Jordan and Vernon on the field at the same time. Let Misi split snaps with Ellerbe at the Mike and play Jordan as the will/joker LB and you will have a vast improvement in run defense right there, provided Reshad Jones takes his head out his *** and is weapon for us instead of against us.

    Imo, the OL needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. That means trading Pouncey,Jonathan Martin,Garner and letting Jerry,Clabo and Incognito walk. An entirely new OL group made up of high character players. Spend cap and high draft picks here, although with the draft turning out the way is, I would trade down, trade down, and trade down some more. I think you could build a good OL with picks from the late 2nd through the late 4th rounds.

    The same old formulas aren't going to get it done. I hope the new GM and OC have some creative thoughts for the OL.
     
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  8. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    You're mistaken on multiple levels (Thomas' TDs came in 1998). Matthews this season scored 2 Tds against Tampa. Gibson scored 2 TDs vs Buffalo. Chambers did it 3 times in 2001, 2 times in 2003 (including a 3TD game), and 3 times in 2005. Marty Booker did it in 2006. Gadsden did it in 1999 and 2000. Leslie Shepard did it in 2000.




    And it should take 3 years to build a really great team, but that is when you really hit on a lot of draft picks, something we haven't done seemingly since the late 90's.
     
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  9. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO it depends on when you find a QB. And I think that depends on opportunities, like your draft position and the draft class, FAs etc. I don't ding an organization much for passing on later round QBs that turn out to be good b/c that's such a low success situation. Sure teams get lucky and find a Brady in the sixth, but that's rare.

    Once you do find a QB I believe that reasonably it takes about three years depending on what you already have in place, injuries etc. You should see progress though as long as you're not changing the coaching staff and philosophies every other year.
     
  10. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    if there is consistency within the franchise, four years would be reasonable
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    One good offseason or Ryan Tannehill developing into a great quarterback.
     
  12. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    It really depends on how long it takes to develop a decent, good or franchise QB. After that, 2-3 seasons of putting roster talent around that QB.

    I also think it takes a coach 3 years to acquire the type of players that fit his system and then teach those players to execute the system.

    I think the biggest problem with the Dolphins this year outside of major talent gaps at RB & OL is we lacked leadership from the players standpoint. RTH is still emerging as a leader and is developing as a player. With the amount of roster turnover we've had, we've lost some leaders. When you look at last years leaders(Jake Long, Reggie Bush and Karlos Dansby), they are all gone. When the game is on the line, your leaders step up their play, they inspire their teammates and they lead their teams to victory. Everyone on the team looks up to them to draw emotion and fire. We just didn't have that this year.

    You couple that with a young team and a young, inexperienced QB and you have the roller coaster that we experienced this last year.
     
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  13. NaboCane

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    Bill Belichick did it in ONE year.
     
  14. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, the Patriots rebuild took several years. Bill Belichick walked into a situation with a franchise QB(of course he drafted Brady later) and several key players drafted by Parcells(Bruschi, Ty Law, Willie McGinnest, Lawyer Milloy, Brown, Glenn).
     
  15. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    At least 2 owners:shifty:
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    One thing to consider is the best teams in the NFL suck now.

    Every time I see people point out holes on the Dolphins, they can make a list for the Seahawks, 49ers, Patriots and Broncos that are about 3 positions at most longer, maybe 4.

    You just cannot build the teams of the past anymore. There is no more teams with four hall of famers playing in their prime with back ups that can start on most teams. Mostly because those back ups leave to start on other teams and the hall of famers contract comes up and someone is going to pay them more money. Plus lines don't have a chance to play together for three years to become a solid unit.

    This isn't a bash at the NFL. In fact, I enjoy it. The NFL is much more exciting. No longer do you have to wait 3 to 5 years for your team to go from sucky to awesome. If the Chiefs won the Superbowl this year, would anyone have been surprised? That wouldn't have happened in the 80s. Unless a team was in a strike year or was just devastated by injuries, teams wouldn't be one of the worst in the league to one of the best in the league, even if they got a new awesome head coach.

    We live in an era where it should take one year to make it back to the playoffs, and if you make it there you could make it to the Superbowl like the Cardinals, Bears, Ravens, and Giants as some of the teams that were not dominate in the least.

    The Dolphins are a good offseason from being a Superbowl contender. They are also a bad offense away from being a top 5 pick in the draft team. So is every other team in the league right now.
     
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  17. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    yea you are right the information I had was inaccurate thanks for pointing that out.
     
  18. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    It only takes one offseason if someone competent is doing it.
     
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  19. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    if you're 8-8 and young it could take as little as 1 year, if you need help in a lot of areas i'd say no more than 3 or 4 years. Luckily we're in mediocreville right now. So it shouldn't take us long if our GM and coaching staff would actually synch up.
     
  20. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    If you can't do it in the 1st year you should be **** canned. Seriously though, the question has too many variable to have 1 answer. At worse, a team should be in the playoffs by the 3rd year.
     
  21. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Here is the question you have to ask:

    What would a Jim Harbaugh do with this team? Assuming he brought in his own staff, I don't think the talent on this team is near what it is at SF. But, I think Harbaugh would have us at least at 10-6 next year and I think they'd win the division the following year. I think the OL would be rebuilt and they would get a new RB in there and we'd be very competitive.

    I think at least 3 years to a strong SB contender (with the right moves) but 2 years from a division title and a 12 win season.

    I just don't see that happening with Philbin.

    If Philbin thinks this team is going to win without a new OL coach and fresh talent on the OL then he is a really bad coach.
     
  22. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Well:

    Seahawks: 7-9 in 2010 and 2011. 2012: 11-5, won wild card round. 2013: 13-3, heading to Super Bowl.

    Or look at our own, Don Shula came in and the Dolphins were in the playoffs in the first year, the Super Bowl the 2nd, won it the 3rd year. Really depends.
     

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