Sports Buzz: Ray Farmer the early favorite for GM position

Exactly.

 

I continue to LOL at the criticism that is levied against Joe Philbin when he won 8 games with a crap roster that was put together by Jeff Ireland.

 

Well even the Great Hudson Houck would struggle with that O-line.

 

He won 8 games with a line, tight ends, and backs that couldn't block anyone. Most in the league feel he worked a near miracle with this team to win 8 games.

 

Bucs interviewed Marc Ross and Lionel Vital, both better candidates than any guy we've talked to.

 

Not that it maters but I think Licht and Xanders are better candidates for the job being offered.

 

I'm not getting why Vital is such a hot commodity. Is it the fact that we haven't interviewed him?

 

I think Mike Sherman did a poor job as the offensive coordinator, but yes, it was impressive that we won 8 games despite the fact that no one on earth believes we have a credible NFL caliber offensive line.

 

Pretty much. He isn't any more or any less qualified than any of the other candidates they've interviewed.

 

If it was a near miracle, then what do you call the Jets winning 8 games with Geno Smith at QB? Seriously. Blows my mind that people think Philbin did some miraculous job.

 

Are you really qualified to know which candidates are actually the best? Since you seem to think so, please tell us all just exactly why Ross and Vital are better than Xanders, Farmer, Licht or Dawson.

 

who? I mean I really want to know who in the NFL you talk to on a regular basis? I mean, I dont have a huge problem with Philbin… because he got the team to beat the Colts, San Diego, NE and Cincinnati. BUT lets not sugar coat it… he also lead the Fins to loses to the Jets, Bills x2 and Tampa Bay.

 

Matt was really solid that year I thought. I am loathe to let him away, but he do cost a pretty penny for a backup.

 

The power hungry. The conniving. The manipulative. These are opinions too. There is no evidence. She saw Jeff was failing, stated her concerns to her boss, backed a coach to help him, saw off Jeff. She did something positive. But you are creating the rest. Its an invention.

 

Calling Philbin emasculated is proof positive of sexism. The only reason his maleness is questioned is because of her femaleness.

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I can't speak for anybody else, but I can say that personally I've criticized and praised all of those people including Ireland at different times. I was never one of those who pretended that one guy was the root of all evil and that everybody else was great. Reality is that everyone of those people has deserved both praise and criticism at different times. Now that one of them is gone, nothing has changed for me regarding the ones that remain. I will continue to praise or criticize. As much of a Philbin fan as I am, it's ridiculous to claim that he did a perfect job last season. I have no doubt that this team would have made the playoffs if he had adjusted to the strengths of his players better. This is not some manufactured outlet for my discontent since Ireland is gone as I made the same claims during the season.

 

At some point you guys are going to ask yourselves how if Ireland was so bad at getting talent and philbin is such a horrible coach, then how were so close to the playoffs and beat really good teams? Based on the results it simply cannot be both.

 

Of course it can! We also have the worst scouting dept...the worst medical staff..worst stadium..worst fans...worst beat writers and reporters...worst message boards and worst uniforms..let's clean the stench out..have to just move the entire franchise to Canada and start over : )

 

Me personally, as I've said before, Ireland had his strengths and his weaknesses. Unfortunately, for me, the former was outweighing the latter enough for me raise a stink over his firing.

 

Well..one role of a head coach..is to put the right people in place to make his vision work. So far...Im very excited about his Bill Lazor hire. I see creativity there...and like KB said..he got 8 wins out of a team many didnt think would. I think peiple need to be really careful about drawing.conclusions from the media. If anything..proof shows them to not just be wrong...but negligent. Its one reason I think Ross has been so quiet about the GM search..hes not about to have his his most important hire of his franchise ... be vetted by Armando Salguero and Jason La Canfora

 

Alright idiot, you want to be insulting? I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if your not sexist then your an idiot. No, reading notes from a card when making public statements is not being passive or weak. It's idiotic to think so. It's a very common method for insuring an organized message. I understand why you're having a tough time with this. Idiots don't remember things like speech class in high school. Or, maybe your "school" had no public speaking requirements. It's idiotic to think that a "covert" meeting happened that Armondo was privy to. That isn't covert. Ireland clearly alienated Joe and Dawn on his own. Dawn by trying to get her fired for being nice to her boss, and Joe by sticking him with a crap O-line. Both of these conflicts have been documented. It's idiotic to think that a coach getting media advice is showing weakness. A coaches job is to coach, dealing with the media is ancillary and should be handled by others as much as possible. Per Darlington, "She was also point person in Ted Wells investigation, Hard Knocks plans, locker room renovations, etc..." to dismiss her as a capologist is idiotic.

 

I think honestly they are both average, not great, but not terrible either... exactly what this season's record was.

 

I have a feeling if Mike McCoy would have been named our coach that those players would still be here.

 

It's more denial and attempts to over shadow what has happened to this team.

We have no winning culture here. This team will continue to spin its wheels and go nowhere until that winning culture is brought here. It is hard when they consistency shoot themselves in the foot. They want guys that are willing to "play Nice" and do what they want done. It is about self preservation - not the Miami Dolphins. That tells me all I need to know. Until Ross cleans house and brings in a proven winner, there is no winning culture. That culture has to start in the front office and with the coaching.

To illustrate my point we have now hired Bill Lazer. I am sure he is a great guy and wants to win. However, he has been involved with teams where the combined record is 112 - 145. Although not his record, it begs the question does he know what a winning culture is or how to obtain one. Layer that over and over with all the coaches and you begin to see a pattern. Add in the fact that they will most likely bring in Ray Farmer as the next GM ( Cleveland has 1 winning season in the last 10 years) and we got what we got....