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Tom Gamble won’t pursue Bucs or Dolphins G.M. jobs

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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  2. Claymore95

    Claymore95 Working on it... Club Member

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    Not unsurprising, it was always likely that he wanted to stay with the Eagles. If you don't enter, you can't win though, so at least we tried to lure him.

    3...2...1 though on some of the media using it to say no-one wants to come to the Dolphins.
     
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  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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  4. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Commence the ledge jumping and wrist slicing in 3...2...1....
     
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  5. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    :omg:
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Few people thought he'd consider leaving Philly anyway. So this isn't some big surprise.
     
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  7. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Tad bit too much hype around this guy for my liking as it was.
     
  8. MIASportsFan

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    Didn't have high hopes for Gamble coming anyway. Xanders should be the top priority.
     
  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    So then it's surprising?

    In all seriousness Miami has three strikes working against them with respect to Tom Gamble and I was actually mildly surprised that it got to the level of a public overture and his name getting out to the press and being confirmed.

    The three strikes are:

    1. He moved to Philadelphia to be close to his sick father who is now in hospice care which means he doesn't have much time left. If I'm in his shoes and I've got a great job with the Eagles who are an up-and-coming team, and I'm there specifically because the dynamo head coach wanted me there, I know the NFL will be there for me in a year or two. My dying parent won't be. Priorities.

    2. As soon as Armando Salguero pointed out the close relationship between Norman Braman and both Harry and Tom Gamble, that sealed it for me. There was NO WAY this would happen. Tom Gamble is not going to be the right hand man for a close family friend's mortal enemy.

    3. Finally, yes absolutely Miami's organizational reputation applies to this situation as it does to all situations. The offensive coordinator search has turned into a Farrelly brothers movie in large part because of this factor. It's not something that can't be overcome but you're kidding yourself if you don't think it's a factor.
     
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  10. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I wonder though....

    How much hiring a top notch GM would make the OC job more attractive.

    Wouldnt an offensive coordinator feel more comfortable if we had a top notch personel person in place?
     
  11. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    WARNING!!!!

    IRELAND to the Bucs rumor ahead
     
  12. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe this part. The other two yes. Not this. There is 32 jobs. As highly sought as a qb position then. You won't turn down a chance.solely cos you perceive the situation to be volatile. If you believed in yourself you'd take it and make it better.
     
  13. MikeHoncho

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    That would be fantastic actually.
     
  14. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Noooooooooooooo
     
  15. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    At this point, I think I'd reset my preference for GM Candidates as:

    1) Xanders
    2) Licht
    3) Triumvirate of Boomer, CK and Conuficus
    4) Dawson
    5) Farmer
    6) Gaine
     
  16. VanDolPhan

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  17. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Surprise surprise, Gamble not interested because of the structure of the franchise...smh.

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...agles-vice-president-of-player-personnel.html

     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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  19. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    We hired Lazor from Philly, so there's still a chance! All Ross has to do is offer Gamble more power and he might take the job.
     
  20. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    What part of he doesn't want to leave Philly aren't you getting?
     
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  21. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If this puzzles Gamble (and I really doubt it did) then he isn't ready to be a GM as most HC's hire their staff.
     
  22. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    It would make more sense and be more typical imo if the new GM in conjunction with the team owner hired a new HC- in that situation they'd probably be more on the same page when it comes to hiring assistant coaches. Gamble has plenty of experience and quite a track record, I think that it's more of a question of his comments making sense than him not being ready to be a GM, he has plenty of experience for that position. He's just smart enough to see the problems ahead in Miami.
     
  23. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Exactly... the GM's that hire head coaches interview them and hear the list of names they'd target for their staff should they get the job...if they don't like the names, that could affect the guy's chances at getting the job.

    there's nothing wrong with a GM having a voice in who is on the staff, obviously he wants the guy that's going to put the players he acquires in the best position to succeed on the field. most HC's do choose who makes up their staff, but if you're a coveted executive and an owner wants you to run his team but the downside is you'll be stuck with an unproven HC that you have no history with, you'd probably want your opinion heard on who should be calling the plays too.
     
  24. 77FinFan

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    You should go ahead and add "IMO" to the end of that. Gamble's philosophy does not fit w/ Ross's so they shake hands and move on. Happens all the time.
     
  25. LBsFinest

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    he'll leave, he just has to be persuaded to leave, and to do that we have to make certain concessions. If you want the top dog out there, you have to make your opening as appealing to him as possible. We are not doing everything we can to entice him to take the job
     
  26. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Now lets kidnap his dad! lol
     
  27. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    well this sucks. :(
    the dolphins have interviewed a lot of good candidates so hopefully we land one of them.
     
  28. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Whatever, of course that's only my opinion, the point is moot. Two situations:

    1. GM is hired, hires a new HC in conjunction with the team owner and the cap/negotiating person reports to the GM. Assistant coach hires are cleared/filtered through the GM. In other words, he has input there.

    2. New GM has no control over the HC as the previous one is retained, new assistant/s are hired without his approval/before his arrvial, the team capologist/negotiator wants to report directly to the owner, not the GM. So basically if they discagree she can probablytell him to f-off.

    Gamble would have obviously preferred scenario #1, and there's no mystery there as to why. Smart man.
     
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  29. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    Get Farmer. That should be plan B if we can't get Gamble. Farmer or Licht i've heard good things about. It really is a crapshoot now. Lets just pray he's better than Ireland whoever we hire.
     
  30. CaribPhin

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    It's really weird that Tampa Bay has the exact same structure as us.
     
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  31. LBsFinest

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    Lmao! What philosophy is that, winning? This is the guy who Ross wants, the problem is Ross thinks that just because Carl Peterson and Gamble go way back, Ross can force a coach and a staff on the guy, force a capologist on him, even force an assistant GM on him and he'll still take the job. Our owner is incredibly naive.
     
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  32. bigbucks24

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    Good grief. Many Dolphin fans thought the search for the OC job drug out way too long as it was. Many would be calling Ross all kinds of names if he said he was waiting ot hire an CO after he hired a GM.

    Hire an OC immediately - Ross is an idiot and incompetent. Knee jerk reaction.
    Hire an OC after completing several interviews - The organization is stupid and dysfunctional. They were turned down by all the candidates that they didn't hire because it organization is the laughing stock of the NFL.
    Hire an OC after you hire your GM. Ross is an idiot and incompetent. All the good OCs were already hired. How can he wait so long? He is indecisive.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that some people are so bitter and angry that they will take anything that happens and turn it into a negative.
     
  33. LBsFinest

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    Btw, Mike Sherman really hired Zac Taylor and Jim Turner.
     
  34. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree which is why I said I doubt he was puzzled. I think its just another poor job on Mando's part. He is basing the whole article on "sources familiar with Gamble's way of thinking" which translate to someone who hasn't actually spoken with Gamble but is speculating on why he might have withdrawn. Mando then dumps his own speculation on top to paint the Phins in a poor light.
     
  35. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I don't know, I've never been an Armando Salguero fan, I'd much rather hear info from Barry Jackson, his colleague at the Herald. Regardless, his recent articles as per the Dolphins FO and GM search have been interesting and informative imo. As to insight that I'd take to the bank- again, I'd rather go with Barry Jackson, but most of Armando's recent stuff makes sense. He occasionally comes up with good stuff, same with Omar Kelly, it happens. All the talk about Ireland being Armando's silent source- don;t know, don;t really care. I'd rather hear it and try to assess what makes sense and what doesn't on my own, better that than not hearing it at all. And apparently the Dolphins FO was a bit of a circus last season, I'd rather know about that as opposed to not having a clue. So regardless of what anyone else preferred, I wanted to see a clean house, Ireland, Sherman, Philbin and the trouble maker/opportunist Aponte gone, so a new, experienced and qualified GM had free reign to put his own and new stamp on the team.
     
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  36. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Sometimes?
     
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  37. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    ^ Cue this type of reaction to a stimulus that barely exists in 3...2...1....
     
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    I agree with you in theory, but didn't we already do that with Jimmy, Saban and Parcells. And how did it work out?

    Top dog doesn't necessarily mean the best. There is no foolproof way of picking a general manager, in any sport. It's a high variance proposition.
     
  39. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Who knows for sure why Gamble did or did not choose the Miami Dolphins. I'm sure the father issue definitely played. Miami's organizational structure? Who knows? If the "sources" are to be believed, it was at least some concern.

    I'm not going to ledge jump or slice wrists. I'm just taking note that once again Stephen Ross was unable to get his top candidate (reportedly). That's disappointing no matter how you look at it.

    But the OC hire was a good get, so it's not all losses for Ross and company.
     
  40. Fin D

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    this is so absurd.
     
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