I gotta tell you, Luck is really a bipolar passer. You get plenty of good Luck, but you also get plenty of really bad Luck. He is a play maker and he is very good at reading the safeties to know when to go deep for a big gain, but his underneath throws are scary sometimes. He gets read by linebackers and corners underneath a lot.
So then let's cut straight through the nitty gritty. You're Miami's GM. Indy offers Luck straight up for Tannehill. Do you take it?
I would, however there would be a lingering feeling that Tannehill might really make me regret that decision later on down the line, and it would not be because of Luck being bad. Luck is awesome, at this point he is far more ready to put his team on his shoulders and carry them, something Tannehill is not ready to do yet, however Luck has some issues that might be concerning down the line.
He won't he's a homer. And pretty sure their division is just about even as ours. Actually most likely tougher. Texans being a 2 win team is a fluke, anyone with a brain knows that, too much talent on that team and they will be in the playoff picture next year. The Titans have as much talent on their team as we do and is easily better than both the Jets and Bills. Hell we pretty much revived Jake Locker's career till he injured his leg last time we played them, he destroyed us.
not a homer. i just think luck is slightly overrated. i do not think he is horrible, but to say he is head and shoulders above any qb in the 2012 draft is asinine. if tannehill was sub 50% completion with 3 int's including what was pretty much a pick 6, the dolphin fans would be hammering him.
Fair points all around. As for the bold part- so does Tannehill. If he cant fix his downfield issues he could find himself as a backup a few years from now. When the value of the big play is great enough that a team would pay $60 million for one of the game's best vertical threats then it's clearly a big deal when a QB leaves those plays on the field at an alarming rate.
it is a fair point and one i do not disagree with. i think it can and will be worked out. the same can be said about luck and his underneath routes.
I'd help Tannehill pack. oh and **** the refs in this game. Some blatantly bad calls NE way as UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
He's overrated yet he took a 2 win team to the 6th best record in football two consecutive years and was 2 games removed from a Super Bowl this year. If Luck finished out this year with 1 TD, 3 INTs, and a 43 Passer Rating over the final 2 games and failed to make the playoffs much in part because of it, I'm sure he would've received plenty of criticism too...... but alas he made the postseason.... again.
Yeah Tannehill also has some issues, but the way I see it, Luck is just clearly further ahead in his overall development as a QB, so his issues might be more of the permanent kind. Whereas IMHO, Tannehill's issues can still be attributed to growing pains and just overall inexperience. Granted, both have still plenty of time to correct or succumb to their issues, but again, IMHO, I see Luck more as nearing a finished product, whereas Tannehill might still be in the assembly line. I'd still take Luck right now, he is a very good QB already, whereas Tannehill is still in the potential stage. It all can change down the line, because I consider Tannehill to have better natural talent, it just remains to be seen if he can put it all together.
the 2 wins were because the colts were tanking and threw out the almighty dave orlovsky and kerry collins who announced his retirement just to comeback and be a backup. the cupboards were hardly bare when luck came in. luck also has an oline, and gets to play in a really ****ty division. tannehill played like **** the last 2 games, no doubt about it. he was far from the only one. the oline,running game,playcalling and just general playing was god awful.
the reason why i do not trade for luck is because i think tannehill has a higher ceiling right now. if tannehill can put all his talent together(and has coaches that can actually utilize his talent) i think tannehill has the potential to be special.
Colts O-line is not that great. Granted is not the dumpster fire of ours, but it isn't great either. Colts are not a deeply talented team. With Reggie Wayne healthy, their pass catching group might be more dynamic than ours, but that's about it. Their running game is poor and their defense is nothing to write home about. Luck is just more ready to carry his team right now. He is far more polished than Tannehill, and that is undeniable.
i do not disagree about the more polished part,im just looking a couple years down the road. tannehill being limited in experience out of college being thrust behind a god awful oline with no real running game, putting up stats comparable to luck who is a 3 year starter in college(with a superbowl caliber HC 2 of those seasons) is a good start for a qb that was supposedly was going to have to sit for a couple of seasons. of course this matters for nothing if tannehill does not improve his deep passing and his shortcomings. then all this discussion ends up being pointless, and the dolphins are back at square one
I agree with all of what you're saying except for Luck being a near finished product. As advanced as he is right now he's still learning the NFL game. Do you think he's at Manning or Brady's mentality level yet? Not even close IMO. A good bit of what he's doing is still from talent alone. To me it's scary to conceptualize what Luck will be like when his mental side of the game is on Peyton & Tom's chess master level where he can come to the line and pick apart a team before the ball is even snapped, which will inevitably happen. Personally I don't consider Tannehill a better natural talent unless you're only looking at arm ability on short to intermediate throws..... b/c on intermediate to deep stuff Luck is head and shoulders above. On awareness within the pocket and ability to extend plays, Luck is clearly a better natural talent. I think Tannehill can close this gap and certainly has the brains to become a chessmaster, but like Fin-O I'd have his bags packed yesterday if Luck were offered in a straight up trade.
just stop man. For fans who actually watch some football there's only one reason to not recognize Luck as the better QB, and that involves being Miami biased.
i never said luck wasnt better at this moment. im saying he is not head and shoulders the best. im looking for 3-5 years down the road. i think tannehill's talent can lead him to be a very special player. nothing to do with being biased or not "watching football" there is a dozen qb's head and shoulders above tannehill.
I knew that was coming. Hell of a game tonight, Guess he was not injured and picked in 2nd round.and coaches have players step up
Yeah his experience and reading of the game will certainly improve a lot still. In the near future he won't throw some of the INTs he threw in this year's playoffs. However I still think he is close to a finish product, only his in game experience and his situational experience will increase. I do think Tannehill has better overall natural talent, I just think Luck has overall much more knowledge of the game and is more adept at this point in dealing with different situations, hence why he is able to squeeze better results out of every play even though both QBs have very similar stats. Curiously, Lucks deep passes are not much better statistically than Tannehill, at least this regular season. In fact Tannehill had a better percentage in passes thrown 41+ yards. I don't even know what to make of that, because Tannehill clearly needs to improve here.
tannehill's deep ball has to improve. i think most of tannehill's deep passing problems are just timing issues with wallace. tannehill has hit some deep passes with other players. with wallace he was under throwing him, then later in the season he was overthrowing him. luck made some great deep passes tonight but he too missed some, one he had hilton wide open and over threw him, but hilton laid out for the ball and made a great catch. something i would have liked to see wallace try sometimes.
I'd simply recommend not trying to downplay Luck in any way shape or form in order to make Tannehill look better. Most of us can see through that. Luck is a better QB, period, and he has some ridiculous traits that could allow him to maintain that separation even while Tannehill is busy developing in his own right. Tannehill can become an outstanding All Pro QB without actually surpassing Luck, similar to how Brees is a likely HOFer despite taking a back seat to Manning & Brady.
It is a little bit more than timing, IMO. Tannehill has some anticipation issues with these throws as well and he sometimes waits too long before unloading the throw. However at this point in time, I still think he can correct this issues, he just needs to put in plenty of practice reps to where he can naturally feel the throw and execute it without thinking about it, to let it come naturally. Until I see this issue continuing at this level for another season, I have to think he can work at it and improve it.
