I honestly have a hard time remembering this guys name. I think I block it out. But why hasn't he been relieved of his position? It seems pretty obvious that he has done a poor job, talent not withstanding. It really puzzles me.
I'm not sure he's done a bad job...he developed some nice players at Texas am..I think we obviously lacked skill and athleticism in the unit.. I have always liked his style of coaching, I like his philosophies, I think if you can't give your best to a guy like that it's more of a reflection of the player.. I didn't study the schematic tendencies of the oline to have any really solid opinion on whether he knows how to relay the X's and O's...it just looked to me like a talent issue..
People forget the guy coached lines at Delaware and Texas A&M that did exceptional jobs protecting the QB. In fact, Texas A&M led the nation in fewest sacks allowed a few years ago. We have an offensive line that, even before the bullygate scandal went down, was reportedly thought in NFL circles to be at the level of an expansion team. I'd like to see what the guy does with a fair amount of talent and players that fit the system before I'd run him out of town.
I don't know that you can really condemn Jim Turner when there's so much other dumb **** going on. The talent was mediocre, poorly matched to the scheme, and the offensive coordinator managed to make things much worse from there. Turner's job is to teach technique and make sure players know the scheme. I'm not sure he did a good job, but I'm not sure there was a bad job done either. The shuffling that occurred during the season seemed to have been executed well. McKinnie was ready to play and played up to standards very quickly, Sam Brenner and Nate Garner appeared to handle line calls well in Pouncey's absence, etc. and so on. On the other hand, I've got questions as to why Tyson Clabo was horrendous initially, but played well the second half. I'm curious what the issue in the Buffalo game was, why the blockers seemed to have so much trouble effectively blocking stunts- Was it because Buffalo knew what the blocking scheme was going to be(Sherman?) or they were confused or exploited in other ways(Turner?) There's enough ****ed up between Ireland and Sherman that it's plausible Turner doesn't deserve to be fired, barring him doing something real stupid during Martin/Incognito thing.
2 years and nothing huh?? Well, not a fluid run game and horrible pass protection suggests your right and I'm wrong.. It just looked to me I never saw any athleticism from our guys..looked to me like they lacked strength and foot quickness.
That is absolutely correct Those wins against San Diego, Pittsburgh, New England, Indy, Cleveland and Atlanta were flukes
I would have to agree with you until you said Cleveland and Atlanta. Both of those teams didn't do so well. San Diego and Pittsburgh had the same record as us.
Not sure if serious or not. I assume you are being sarcastic, to which I can only say, that certain things have revealed themselves from players who play for Turner. The man doesn't seem to be the devil incarnate that some posters think he is. Not saying he is Lombardi of the OL coaching world, but when players of his come out and acknowledge that personnel changes for their very unit need to be made, it leads me to believe that coaching isn't the main issue.
There was some sarcasm but not as much as you might think. I think our biggest Obstacle going forward is the coaching It will be our Achilles heel. Allowing Philbin to select the next set after this set didn't work? Isn't that more of the same old, same old Do you really think Philbin will select a OC who could take his place as HC if we ran into trouble? Not in a million years. Philbin will hire Ben Mcadoo......self preservation
Position coaches usually have 1-2 contracts firing Turner may not be necessary if his contract expires naturally. He should have be gone last year.
How often is a team's head coach fired for its own offensive coordinator? It very rarely happens. Very rarely. I think Philbin is okay. I think he has the capacity to adjust and learn, which is why you give him the ability to pick his coaches. If it is McAdoo, then so be it. If it is someone else, same thing. Essentially, Philbin and his staff are on a one year, make or break, season for 2014. If they miss the playoffs again (barring some catastrophic injury or circumstance), he will most likely be gone and we will start anew in 2015. I would hope that any GM that comes in would be given the green light after a year of evaluation to make those calls. Whether it is Turner, Philbin or anyone else. But I will say this, the players are willing to run through walls for some of these coaches that we vilify, in some cases, it is a matter of if they can actually, physically, run through the wall. It isn't lack of motivation, but lack of talent, in my opinion, of course.
KB would most certainly agree with you. Also people were complaining annoy leek of screens, but we lacked the talent to run them. None of those guys child get to their blocks in time. Hell half the time McKinne could barely get his fat *** to the full depth of his pass block Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
Well, there is no OL coach who is "magik", the coach and the talent has to mesh with the scheme. I do think the offensive line looked confused far far to often, when John Jerry FALLS ON HIS ****ING FACE on a key 4th and 1 conversion attempt v the NYJ there is not very much the OL coach can do. Plus side: Sam Brenner Downside: Clabo/Incognito/Jerry had the worst yrs of their careers and Dallas Thomas was MIA..and I don't mean "on mia's roster", Danny Watkins could not see the field either For that..adios Turner, don't let the door hit you in the ***
No doubt a little talent. But the majority is coaching. Leadership. I mean, come on Philbin has to have Aponte make him cue cards to read off of. I don't know I just want us to win and were gonna get stuck in another rut here with this guy. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. To me Philbin is Cam Cameron 2.0 and I think you may just see it get infinitely worse. Especially if we hire a GM who is a rookie. Given the circumstances is very Likely to happen. My last thought is we are behind the eight ball with these hiring's. Anyone coming here is gonna know it could be just a 1 year gig. We are not going to attract the best available like that. It is almost a no brainer to fire everyone so we can attract the big names that we need to return this team to respectability. Anything else IMO is a bandaid. If Philbin and Co. can't put it together and chances are they won't be able to, we are right back to square one again. Just another year. Then clean house, new roster turn and schemes. (3 yrs min) Just get on with it Has Ross learned nothing carrying these people and dragging **** out?
How this dude still has a job, after a historically, and comically horrid season's worth. Is beyond me.
His philosophy and goal for each player is about teaching proper technique to perfection, his approach is about making a player mentally tough thru discipline and his wisdom.. I like his personality and if I was a player I would want to be my best for him.. I'm not to sure about his scheme philosophy and whether it's antiquated, but I don't think it's that complicated, it's football, blocking and tackling.
yeah I don't think he's a poor leader.. Here's the reason why I believe in this case it's a talent issue...I watch a lot of reps on players before they put on our uniform, so it's jmo. Jon Martin was and is a bad player.. Jmo, I thought tyson Clabo was not good in his last year in Atlanta.. Sam Brenner I thought should of been cut in the preseason.. Nate garner is slightly below average as a starter, but has good versatility as a backup. John Jerry is fat and slow. I'm one of the few that thinks Richie incognito is a good football player and completely underrated as one.. Ryan Tannehill has poor instincts in the pocket when it comes to escaping pressure or maneuvering the pocket to reset his platform.. Idk, those things all seem to me to contribute to what we saw on the field.. I've said a million times Ireland did a very poor job building this oline.
Stirring the pot a bit but I believe that Jim Turner is the reason that Jake Long regressed so much in 2012, and isthe reason that Jake chose not to return to the Dolphins for the 2013 season.
We all know the off field issues this unit had and I think we can agree on a lack of talent, but I find it hard to believe that there have not been other teams historically w/ at least the same or similar talent issues. I don't know that they had almost record setting sacks and abysmal one yard rushing games. I'm very surprised at the support for him.
another reflection on the person of the past....yet he still has his supporters. I swear they have to be troll Jet/Bills/Pats fans....
God you are so negative. Always bashing on the Coach and his staff, and never,ever taking into account how horrendous the talent is on the team This is a positive time, where we are finally free and able to move on from the negativeness, but because your little Jeffy is gone you are butthurtt. Get over it, time to move on.
At first blush, I agree with you, on the other hand, look at what he did do with a patchwork group, particularly after bully-gate... The OL until the last two games actually played better without Martin and RI...?? I would think that the new OC may have a say in that as well, perhaps bringing in his own guy for that spot, particularly if it's a guy like Kubiak or even Shannahan ??
I don't know a new OC would be in a position to ask for a new OL coach. The candidates don't really represent a big shift, no one is going to come in and start pulling a guard every play. They'll probably be changing stuff in the framework of what's already been done than totally changing it. Kubiak and to a lesser degree Shanahan Jr. may want a purer one-cut scheme, but I'm not sure it's a stretch to think Turner could teach and fit that.
