Jason Cole: Miami is basically screwed with this GM search

Thanks Dawn Aponte. I wish you the best of luck in your pursuit to run the Miami Dolphins. You helped select a spineless coach who supported our fired OC and reads from your index cards, then formed an alliance with him, and hopefully next the two of you are shown the door together and you can both can go hug it out.

 

which you would probably watch, Sally.

 

That's a good backup plan. I just think the "The Team" would be very compelling.

 

Weird structure could basically refer to the idea that the capologist and Head Coach managed to fire the GM, essentially. An incoming GM has gotta wonder if those two will be able to wield leverage internally. I mean, if Philbin and the GM disagree on something, does the GM like knowing Aponte will be waiting in the wings to tip the balance in Joe's favor?

 

No way, that only sounds like common sense. Seems like another Lifetime movie, Barry.

 

Just as long as they don't make into a fake A&E reality show.

 

Bet she has other attributes though.........

 

If I'm Norm MacDonald?

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If I'm not mistaken.

 

I'm not making it sound like the mafia...you are!!!!!!

What is so goddamned terrible about wanting to get a promotion? Because according to you its so bad Ireland was justified in trying to get her fired.

You've gone off the deep end. You doubled down on Ireland so hardcore you have to paint yourself into a corner where the only reasonable thing to ***** about is a person wanting to get promoted.

My timeline is fine. She wanted to get promoted, Ireland tried to get her fired, so she formed new allies like Philbin to protect herself. To top it all the **** off, you're basically taking Armando's word as gospel.

I thought you couldn't be more on the wrong side of a discussion then you were when you painted yourself into another corner where you basically crap all over Tannehill to defend Wallace but this is beyond that.

 

Yeah but you don't want to settle for just "someone". We did that with Philbin, and you see how that's turned out so far....

 

Which worked out for us, the Rams have been dreadful w/Fisher

IF what we hear is true, and with media sports reporting being such steaming dog****, I tend to doubt it, if true however it would make sense we'd go with a young GM.

Jason Cole..if one judges a person by his 5 closest friends, and Slageuro is a close friend, this op ed is chuckle worthy

 

Tells me Ross can be schmoozed, and it also tells me Ross thinks highly of Philbin

Personally, Aponte should be looking elsewhere for work, rising star BS or not, that sort of back room stuff is terrible for an organization's stability.

 

Forget Cole. Forget Mando. They're just string up **** to stir up ****. Funny, Jeff Darlington thinks the exact opposite. He thinks Gaine and Aponte would be an asset to an incoming GM. And Darlington has no horse in this race. And I agree with whoever posted the "how many other fans of teams know who their capologist is?" I also love how she's "power hungry." And that she's "sucking up and securing her place with the team." Do any of you have jobs? Do you like to know if you're secure in your position. Can't blame her for getting hers. I have no idea if she'll be a good GM. I have no idea. That's not my job as a fan. What I see is a smart woman in a position of power in a male dominated sport and people don't like that (not saying that's anyone on this board). I hope I'm wrong, but some of this screams "girls don't belong in football, which is ******ed.

 

like Duck Dynasty?

 

No comment. Don't wanna burst anyone's bubble.

 

Open your ears. This has nothing to do with Ireland. How can I paint myself into a corner when I've been involved in the discussions about looking for his replacement for the past few months, so perhaps you should start looking for another weak-assed "discredit" argument. Get it through your head, the reason I dislike Aponte has nothing to do with anyone but her.... and I'm not alone in that belief so please STHU. Jim also wants Aponte gone for these same reasons and he probably jumped for joy when Ireland left, but he disagrees with you so I guess he somehow painted himself into a corner too though, eh.

Now you're just acting like an arrogant turd.

Yup, the guy on this forum who was first to lobby for the drafting of Tannehill, heavy lobbying at that, has suddenly begun crapping on the QB I pined so hard for just so I could defend a receiver Miami didn't draft, who didn't go to Clemson, and didn't join the team till this year. Yep, you got it. Right on the head.

If anything, genius, if I were operating off an agenda, my HEAVY support of Tannehill's drafting should've painted me into the corner of making excuses for his deep ball just like your homer attitude did. My criticism of Tannehill's deep ball was just that, criticism of his deep ball, you know- since the entire football world sans the Tannehill homers understood it was an issue. It says more about you that you vehemently believed the criticism was unwarranted [or worse- believed it was an attempt to scapegoat Wallace] and that you persistently twisted that criticism into being about Wallace as if the two players aren't separate entities. You were asked about twenty times to provide evidence to support your belief that Tannehill's downfield accuracy was at an acceptable NFL level to where it would make our criticism unwarranted, but not once did any of you come up with anything.

I'm seriously done with you if this is the level of respect you have for valid opposing opinions. Now I understand what others joke(?) about with you in this regard b/c it's bush league beyond belief. Ehh, matter of fact.

 

I'm surprised I didn't know before you PM'd me the other day that those guys were basically preppy and without beards before the show.

 

so what picture have you painted yourself into to have this belief, Paddy?

 

Did you not read what Ross said about the new GM? He will have autonomy over the 53 man roster. That means, Philbin may offer input, but the final decision on cuts and keeps comes down to the GM. There is no 3 way vote.

 

Yeah you couldn't be more wrong WADR. I grew up with an aunt [more like a second mother] who was the biggest bread winner in the family as a regional VP of one of the nation's largest banks [regional as in overseeing the southeastern US], and that was from working her tail off up the chain after starting as a teller while attending night school. So I have a tremendous amount of respect for professional women.

My uncle is a huge Miami fan so he and I were talking to her about this Aponte stuff to get her opinion and she just laughed. She said if she had a GM to report to she would've reported to that GM and while doing so let her performance speak for itself rather than schmoozing up to the owner and going on trips with him under false pretenses. She said ditto about forming alliances and going behind peoples' backs, saying that even if Miami's GM did go behind her back to ask for her firing that she wouldn't have stooped to that level and gone behind his back in return to form a power alliance. She thought the tactics were shoddy, not in the best interest of the company [which we both corrected to organization, which we received a quick glare for], and said she didn't need any of that nonsense to go from teller to her executive position. She also said she wouldn't trust an attorney for s**t....... but that was after a few glasses of wine.

 

Its Philbin that Ross is presenting to the GM, as part of the fixed furniture next season. I'm sure Aponte has gained Ross''s confidence, and impressed him with her administrative talents, but to allow her to fluff up feathers is rediculous. If the GM has an issue with Aponte, dont kid yourself into believing she carries any influential weight in this.
Ross realizes the significance of this hire, and the degree of autonomous power the top prospects demand. Dysfunctional or not, the current conditions simply are, the way they are, because of the way things have evolved.

Any GM should expect this, but I'm convinced what he'll find with Ross, is an owner willing to move mountains to resolve any dysfunction, if in fact any exists,

 

In the Miami Herald this morning, Adam Beasley reports that some of the targets for the GM position with the Dolphins so far include, Brian Gaine, presently with the Dolphins, Ray Farmer, Browns, Lake Dawson, Titans, and Marc Ross, Giants. ESPN also reported that the Dolphins had contacted Omar Khan, Steelers and Jason Licht, Cardinals, regarding the GM position. The Dolphins also requested to speak to Saints personnel director Ryan Pace. but the Saints denied him permission to interview for the job with the Dolphins.

So far there appears to be no evidence that the Dolphins have contacted the Eagles in an attempt to interview Tom Gamble.

From this list so far, I would hope the individual they hire would be Kahn. Licht is also with a team right now that had a successful season in 2013 and appears to have talent throughout their roster. He would be my second choice from this list

As far as the rest of the GM candidates from this list are concerned. They all are now with teams which were sub 500 or below this past season and I just don't see any of these individuals as the top tier quality GM that this teams needs at this time. I just hope the fact the next GM is going to be forced to keep Philbin as the teams HC for 2014 doesn't prevent the hiring of the best possible candidate for the job. The fact Gamble doesn't even appear to be a candidate for the Dolphins job only makes it appear that Ross has accepted that many top names would not be interested in the GM job with the Dolphins under the present structure which exists.

Hopefully some of the candidates from the top teams in the NFL will eventually be interviewed for the job, but right I'm not impressed by the majority of the individuals for the GM position with the Dolphins, which have been reported by Beasley. Ross needs to do better than this list of candidates, IMO.

 

You are right and yet many people don't seem to understand this. Fisher NEVER wanted the Titans to draft Young and was overruled by the Titans owner and GM. Therefore he wanted say so over the players who were drafted and signed in free agency. They have a GM with the Rams, but Fisher was given the authority by the owner of the Rams to be totally involved in the player personnel decisions. That is what he wanted with the Dolphins and Ross denied him this authority.

I find it funny that some people think the Dolphins got the better coach when they hired Philbin and Fisher turned down the job with the Dolphins. The Rams today are a much more talented team than the Dolphins. They have had better drafts in the two years since Fisher took over the job with the Rams. This year the Rams once again have two first round draft picks. The Rams just happen to play in the best division in the NFL. I have no doubt that if the played in the AFC East, and not in the NFC West, they would be the primary contender with the Patriots for the division title in the coming years.

I admit I wanted Fisher in 2012 and I would still take him over Philbin, any day of the week.

 

I have no respe ct for Fisher....he is a talentless hack.

 

Why would you want them to hire a GM with no background in talent evaluation? What is about Khan that makes you think he is the best choice?

The only reason Gamble wouldn't be a candidate is because he wants to stay close to home in Philly because of his father being old and in poor health, which is the reason he left the 49ers to get a job with the Eagles. This has been mentioned several times, apparently you missed it.

 

After having done some reading on Omar Khan, I wouldn't say he has no experience evaluation talent. However, I do agree with your point. Our main goal is to put the best person in place from a talent evaluation viewpoint. Clearly, Khan's strengths lie in his financial acumen. We have that already with Aponte, and to be honest, look what kind of shape we are in Cap wise. From a contract negotiation standpoint, Khan isnt an upgrade from Aponte.

We need the best talent evaluator, and the best person able to be the from office face of our team. That was Ireland's biggest issue. The guy was a grade A ***.

I think...if you are Ross, you are feeling very good about your team right now. He has conviction in his head coach. He has conviction in Aponte in managing the financial aspects of the franchise. Now he gets to find the last needed part, the talent evaluator. The GM. I think hes going about it the right way.

 

I'm curious why you feel this way. I personally don't feel strongly either way about Fisher.

 

Friggin Aponte... This is why woman should not be in the workforce...

 

TBH, I'm not exactly sure I buy into the narrative anyone phins, this sounds like Ireland's pov

"I was in Davie doing my job when Aponte was flying to NY schmoozing him and undermining me"

Then add in "Aponte allied with Philbin" as if Davie was Survivor and pretty much this whole story line sounds rather feverish and hyperbolic

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Typical sports media today

I'm so glad I stopped consuming that crap for the most part, only thing I read now is Barry Jackson's Sports Buzz and to hell with the rest of them (do like Skinny Jeans Darlington tho, he's just not focused on the Dolphins any longer)

 

According to the media:

No one would want this GM job and it is "coveted" by many and a very appealing job to land.

It is a failing Power Structure and will have complete control over the roster and will only answer to Ross.

Aponte and Philbin are running the show, and Peterson and Ross want to put someone in place who has control over the roster and doesn't answer to Aponte and Philbin.

The NFL insider sources are also saying that they are advising each other to stay away from the job, and that some of the big name players in the NFL are interested in the position.

Bipolar anyone?

 

Wrong. What it is is this Machiavellian b.s. that is reported to be going on behind the scenes with our football team- this crap goes on in corporate America sometimes, sure, but do we really want that kind of stuff with the Dolphins? Personally, I'll pass on that.

If Ross is condoning it through a lack of correcting it, shame on him. Also, forget about the Aponte being a woman stuff. If I saw a dude negotating the Tannehill ocntract in such an abrasive manner, glued to the weak head 'side, providing index cards for him to parrott, schmoozing Ross on flights to NYC, manipulating him to get Ireland out (at least she did one good thing there) I'd be equally as disgusted.

 

Wow. Silly season is in effect. The main complaints about Dawn seem to be that first, she was mean on a clearly staged phone call on hard knocks. Somehow talked her way on a flight with her boss and was nice to him. (That last one really gets me, the horror of it!) Told a known friend that the guy that tried to get her fired was publicly talking crap about him. And... Well that's about it really, right? Oh wait! There is more, everyone says she is good at her job, but sometimes she does more than her job requires.





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You have to consider the sources.

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This has EVERYTHING to do with Ireland. Just because you've been involved in discussions about replacing him doesn't change anything. You are acting as if Aponte undermined Ireland when all she did was was buck for a promotion (like anyone else would do). Couple your take on that with your stance on Ireland over the years, its not hard to figure out what is leading your stance. You are glossing over the fact, that just because she wanted a promotion Ireland tried to have her fired. Fired. You act as if he was justified for that and that she'd have no reason after that to try and protect herself from him. Its so damn bizarre there's no other reason for you to have that stance other than your Ireland defense.

Jim is thinks its wrong because he hates Ross. Ireland being a snake in the grass, Philbin portrayed as weak and Aponte portrayed as a conniving **** all bolster his stance that Ross is an idiot.

I'm fairly certain that can be said about both of us.

I know you were all about drafting Tannehill, I was right there with you if you recall. That's why I know what I'm saying is true. If you go back and look at how the Wallace vs Tannehill arguments evolved, you'll find that it began as an argument for or against Ireland for signing Wallace and nothing to do with Tannehill. You'll also find that you were in defense of Ireland for the signing as people were using the signing as a way to make it another black mark on Ireland. That lead to defending Wallace, which lead to blaming Tannehill (even when Wallace was short arming and half assing catch attempts).

Further more, my stance on the Wallace Tannehill thing was that Wallace was to blame for NEVER fighting for the ball. You're conflating my stance with other posters' and because of that Tannehill couldn't trust Wallace enough to just throw it out there and let him go get it, so he tried to throw it directly to him, which caused Wallace to slow up. I also don't think its fair to blast the guy who has to read the defense, avoid the rush, determine whose open and then throw the ball 40 yards in less than 3 seconds for not being pinpoint accurate, when his target refuses to fight for the damn ball. Everything could have happened exactly like it did, but if Wallace made any honest attempt to do his job we'd have had more completions and/or Pi calls and probably more points and wins. I don't care if you agree or not, because as I've said, your stance is compromised.

I'm disappointed that you can't handle what you're dishing out.

 

You know I actually belueve Tannehill has a higher ceiling than Luck, and I'm very happy to have him.

That said he DOES need to work on his deep ball. Not every pass down the field should require super human effort by Wallace. Many QBs are able to hit receivers in stride at that distance when they have two steps on the defender. Not every time, but more than Ryan did.

At the same time I can also assign blame to Wallace for not fighting hard enough on the poor throws.

Its possible for both to be at some fault.

 

Yes, he could improve. Yes, he will improve. Yes, they could both do more. I've never argued anything different.

I just think throwing the ball that far with accuracy in the midst of everything a QB has to do is way more complicated than fighting for the ball. So fighting for the ball should be easier to fix and produce immediate results while the more complicated issue of deep ball accuracy and trust gets worked out.

 

I'm not sure its very complex, ot any more complex than a short to intermediate throw.

What I am sure of, is that it takes proper mechanics and that is where the work needs to be done IMO.

Wallace has already stated that his goal for next season is to become more aggressive on those throws so we can only wait and see.