As others have made clear, not a GM in the league can hire and fire a coach as they please. And did you hear one sliver of a report that Ireland lost a FA because Aponte balked on negotiations? I didn't. She got in her boss' good graces and did her job well, like any employee should. And meanwhile Ireland was trying to have HER FIRED because he was threatened...or so the story goes. The only horse **** I care about...the utter horse ****...is that it is an unorganized, unknown cluster ****, and the would be GM will be flailing helplessly and hopelessly in a confused chain of command. This has been speculated, and a ton of people are eating this crap. But it's exactly that, crap. 99% wanted Ireland out. Some of it is 1% apologist kickback, and that's fine. That's where the Herald is dishing this crap from, Mando is salty his girlfriend is gone, and is now slopping up all the ish he's being served. But I don't get the other contingent that is still *****ing? Irish is gone, Sherman is gone! Par for the course as far as 2014 goes. Lets chill and see what happens.
He meant Abramson . And I would throw Glazer in. Not a fan of the meathead, and as a result, I get annoyed by yet notice how often he breaks big news in this league.
Or you have an ower who is afraid of firing people to their face, the kind of spineless guy who would get bullied in high school (irony) and he loves having a Head Coach who doesn't scare him. One who is even more uncomfortable with expressing feelings and with confrontation than Ross himself is. These guys can hang out and never be afraid of one another. Only of their own shadows. lol. Okay, fine… I exagerrate. But it's fun to make fun of the king when he's been as goofy as Ross has been. Once Ross does something impressive without fumbling his way through it like a virgin teenager on prom night, I'll stand and give him the slow clap. [video=youtube;TAryFIuRxmQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAryFIuRxmQ[/video]
FYI… from the fountain of truth: Wikipedia !!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_manager_(American_football) But then again, the same doofuses who post here could be submitting these Wiki articles. So, whatevs.
and how many capologists in the NFL have a say in the coaching process? was my point... which you clearly missed. I did hear this report: She pursued her boss's good graces b/c after Parcells left she didn't want to answer to anyone but the owner. It's not speculated crap that Aponte was involved in our 2012 coaching search and the selection of Philbin. What, you think that's the only thing she encroached on the football side of things away from her financial/legal side? Honestly, do you want her making actual football decisions? It's not horse**** that Ireland was offered a raise to stay but contingent upon having less power over personnel. Ross & staff wouldn't have created that entire GM job search disclaimer about giving the future GM full autonomy if it weren't a concern, so just stop. Why? What's the angle? Ireland wasn't fired. He rejected a raise and resigned [as opposed to re-signed]. So why would there be a need to fabricate all this stuff, and even more than that- where are the reports disputing it?
and this statement wouldn't have been created if a cause for concern didn't first exist, so there's that.
Of course she was involved in the coach hiring process. She probably handled the contract negotiation. If you think Philbin is our coach because of Aponte...let's cut it off here. Ross probably included every senior official, from Mike Dee to Nat Moore in that process. Omar Khan isn't involved on the football side of matters? I have not seen a report nor example or name of a FA gone awry because of Aponte. And that "raise" offer was the most half hearted, merciful castration in the history of the league. An impossible offer to take, if Ireland ever intends to work in this league again. And I suppose it made Ross feel better to corner him into resigning than firing him. You're a smart guy, how was that move not abundantly clear to you. We made him an offer he couldn't accept. What do I need to refute? I don't care about Irish dishing how Aponte out-witted him? How she endeared herself to the owner. She did her job better than he did his. He is now a sour grapes cry baby, and I COMPLETELY expected this from him. But where is there PROOF of our hierarchy being in shambles? Of our team being a terrible landing spot for a GM? Because our owner actually likes our capologist and head coach, that should scare a GM away?
we can thank the Fritz Pollard Alliance and Wooten for perhaps changing the course of Dolphins history.
With Ross desiring to be an absentee owner that is a very great possibility. It is a serious concern for the football team. Knowing that, which GM would tolerate it? It should be very interesting to see how this plays out......AND IF IT WORKS!
Sounds to me like, if for example, our new GM, let's call him Gom Tamble, wants to sign free agent C Alex Mack. He'd tell Aponte, we want Mack and he wants to be here, for roughly, let's say, 6 yrs/36 mil, for the sake of discussion. She could not veto the acquisition of Mack from a talent/ability standpoint. She would try to work out a deal that fit into the basic parameters of what he's considered worth. Signing bonus, base salary each year, other assorted possible bonuses, etc. If she encounters some non meetings of mind with Mack's agent, she may discuss them with Gom Tamble, such as he may want 10% more bonus upfront than Aponte wants to give. She may discuss with Gom Tamble whether or not Mack was still the way he wanted to go. The level of commitment he has toward Mack may determine how much she wants to compromise or acquiesce on up front money. That is how it seems to me, though I could be wrong.
I never considered Aponte anywhere close to the greatness of Julius Ceasar. Cassius was jealous of Ceasar's greatness and how much he was revered by the Roman people. Brutus was just a dupe, talked into going up against his best friend for the greater good of Rome. I fail to see any similarity between Aponte now and Ceasar back then.
Some things from Darlington: Hmnnn, so this broad "earned" this power and respect?... But...she... has a vagina??? A lot of praise for the succubus.
LOL, nice to twist the meaning there. How about actually answering my question. How many capologists with no prior experience on the football side of things get involved in the coaching selection process? And did I said Philbin was because of her? No, I didnt. Nice of you to go strawman though. It was still a raise. He could've taken the money. Sparano took the money and extra year even though he was a dead man walking. It's funny that it's ok for you to utilize speculation but when others report events that they say are factual and by all accounts appear as such, not only do you treat it as conjecture but bull**** conjecture at that. You still didn't answer my question. What purpose do the reports serve? If Ireland is gone and Aponte is still here, why would Armando crap all over the hand that he might need to feed him in order to support the hand that will no longer have any food in it? Why does there have to be proof? There doesn't have to be anything more than concern, which can be damning enough. Aponte had already aligned once with Philbin to oust a GM who criticized Philbin's team's performance during embarrassing losses to Tampa, Buffalo, and the Jets. So what's to stop them from doing it again? .....or if Philbin disagrees with the future GM, what's to stop him from running to Aponte to fortify himself? Honestly, could you trust Philbin after his gross display of nepotism and refusal to acknowledge the unsatisfactory job Sherman did? Can you trust a guy who has to read off Aponte-provided index cards? Can you trust him after blaming losses to TB, NY, and Buffalo on a lack of talent, as if the roster wasn't strong enough to beat losing teams but somehow had enough talent to beat 4 AFC Playoff ones? Will every GM candidate wholeheartedly trust Aponte or want anything to do with her after tipping her hand that she clearly doesn't want anything to do with answering to a GM? Can a potential GM wholeheartedly trust Ross after attempting to reduce the power held by the previous one? And don't kid yourself into thinking Ireland didn't already have limited GM power as it was b/c he did NOT have 100% autonomy, not close to it, which a potential GM might not be fond of. Not to mention we already have a history of Fisher turning us down b/c Ross didn't want to give him a heavy dose of control.
Sounds good to me. Darlington has been my main man when it comes to solid reporting for years. Hope he always maintains his level of integrity. I think he has a couple of real solid connections deep inside the Dolphins personnel dept, based on some of the things he has reported, that seemed hardly plausible but ended up coming true.
now show me one of those Darlington tweets that points at her contributions to the actual football side of things to prove deserves to be involved in them, b/c none of us have complained about the stuff Darlington referenced above. What about the tweet where Aponte runs to Philbin for overhearing Ireland roasting him as if we didn't just lose to a winless Bucs or score 7 total points against the Jets & Bills? I already addressed the first tweet in depth. BTW, I'd love to see what her cap would've looked like under Dan Snyder.
On Tuesday they said they would release a list of candidates on Friday. On Thursday the owner released the responsibilities of the position. The "confusion" occurred because Ross isn't working on their deadlines. Man, I miss Darlington and Volin.
I dunno about that. Darlington told us 2 months before the 2009 draft that if available the Dolphins were taking Vontae Davis. He told us before the fact that Samson Satele was going to be traded. He told us before the fact that Joey Porter was going to get cut. That the Dolphins were hiring Mike Nolan. This was all when he was still a Dolphins beat reporter. He has carried this same level of reporting prowess to the national stage. Darlington is basically the gold standard when it comes to integrity in sports reporting.
I think they can still hook up for some tonsil tickling late night trysts at some seedy motel along Biscayne Blvd if they like.
This entire discussion is straw man! Define football side experience? She worked in this league for 2 decades with "legends" of this game. I think Ross advising with one of his senior officials on a coaching hire is not extraordinary. Unless you can pinpoint the magnitude of her involvement, it's useless to discuss. I'd wager to say, it's been done before though. But I don't have access to that kind of info. Without Google, off the top of your head...simply name me 10 capologists, let alone figure out which ones get involved outside of their job description...like an Omar Khan or Dawn Aponte. He took the money because he was not TAKING A REDUCED ROLE AS HEAD COACH! He was still the coach. He was under contract, and extended. He did not have to answer to another coach...when HEAD COACHING. And if he went 10-6, and made the playoffs instead of going 0-7, we may still be fist pumping for Coach Sparano. And I think it's bull**** to say we have a fractured set up for a GM. It is mere heresy and speculation, and quite frankly sour grapes. The factual accounts, like Aponte out-witting and out-performing Ireland...I acknowledge as fact. Because he knows those hands won't feed him. He is taking the easy and big story from his former lone source in that front office. He is reporting the news...right from the Irish's mouth, that is his job after-all. And he knows his job is about to get more difficult. [/QUOTE] Why do you ask me for proof and answers? Go ahead and be concerned. I'm appeased for now with what Ross has done. And I was on here a lot stating I lost a lot of faith in Philbin with our performance from the last 2 games. I was livid and disgusted with Philbin, Sherman...everyone. But I'm happy Ross has done SOME of the things I felt needed to happen. And reports said that Aponte edits the airing of Philbin's [ost game speeches. Not that she writes them. That is false, not to mention physically impossible. After all, she is a know-nothing football wise. How could she write about the game and all that football speak? What else are you asking...if we continue to be mediocre or worse...whats to stop Aponte and Philbin from "pinning it on the next patsy GM?" Hmn...yeah, they have found a loop-hole to never be held accountable or get fired! It's genius! Look, if we don't win 9+ games and/or make the play-offs. Philbin is GONE. That's my thought and speculation. Yes, Fisher, who I wanted, turned us down because he wanted more control of personnel. How does that support the fact that Ireland did not have 100% autonomy? Ross insisted on player personnel being Ireland's role though. If Ireland was a mere puppet, then Fisher would have taken this job. GM's do not usually control the coaching staff in today's NFL.
Just because Philbin did not publicly criticize the job Sherman did, does not mean he wasn't happy with it behind close doors. I am not his biggest fan, but it would serve no purpose for him to verbally pile on Sherman in the process of firing him, especially considering their long time relationship. The fact that he fired him means more than any words uttered in the process. Actions speak louder than words. Walk softly but carry a big stick, etc. The actual firing indicates Philbin felt Sherman did an unsatisfactory job, regardless of what he said.
You make a lot of Aponte running to Philbin, tattling on Irish... What of it? What's Philbin going to do? This isn't a reality show like Survivor. "Coach, Jeff thinks you suck." "Golly, well...okay then, thanks Dawn." The **** is Philbin gonna do about it? "Excuse me Mr. Ross. Would you mind reprimanding Jeff, he insulted me." "Like what Joe? How about a raise, with lighter work-load?" It's all ridiculous! Again with the football side...like you know what her day to day entails. Okay...PROVE she knows nothing about the football side. She only evaluates and values EVERY PLAYER AND COACH that wants to sign with this team. But yeah, what does she know about it? What doesn't she know about it? What was the magnitude of her involvement? Was it file keeping and record sorting...or was she watching game tape of Philbin up in the Packer booth? YOU enlighten ME! I admit, I don't know.
Well, considering that Dawn Aponte is not a candidate for the GM spot and the Dolphins are not hiring an overseer for the football operations, and that there is no evidence that suggests her involvement in the football operations is anymore than her contract negotiations, I think this argument against her is now defunct. Nice try. Some of you bought into Armando's trash (actualy Jeff Ireland's trash through Armando). Jeff Darlington nails Jeff Ireland in his tweets though when he mentions that if a confident GM is afraid of Dawn, then he's not much of a man. That describes Jeff Ireland to a T. He's not much of a man. He's a scumbag of the third order.
Furthermore, fans can roast the job they felt Ireland did all they want and he probably deserves to be gone, but the one thing he certainly did do well and was responsible for was the beneficial salary cap. That was his plan when he took over the team. Aponte obviously helped from the financial side but the plan was Ireland's and has been stated as such. Our pleasant cap situation exists is b/c Ireland had the discipline to put us in this position rather than having Ross go all Dan Snyder about it in win-now-at-all-costs mode. From the get go he had the future in mind, and although the drafting might not have been at a Super Bowl level, it was certainly good enough to allow us to work on creating a healthy cap. When you look at 2013's opening day roster, 41 players were either drafted by Miami, undrafted free agents, signed off another team's PS, or were signed on the cheap after getting cut elsewhere.... and roughly 33 of those were still under rookie contracts. Who do you think made those decisions and brought in those inexpensive players, Aponte? Puhlease.
I can agree to both of those things. If he was not a Class A Royal Douche and if he had a better eye for spotting OL talent, he'd probably still have his job. JMO.
Stop it already. We all saw on Hard Knocks that Ireland had no control whatsoever on Tannehill's signing. Giving him credit for the salary cap is like giving Al Gore credit for creating the Internet.
Agree to disagree. Who cares how long she's been in the league or who she's been employed alongside? Does that suddenly give her credibility by affiliation on actual football related matters even though her area has consistently been on the financial/legal side. It was reported that she was involved in the coaching search. You might feel all warm and fuzzy about that notion but I don't think everyone would want an employee with a non football background involved in the choice of the head coach. ...and likewise if Miami were to go 12-4 next year with Ireland still here and with this team he's assembled, you'd be fistpumping for him as well. Works both ways, Sethster. So then why did our owner release a statement in attempt to make it seem otherwise if there was nothing to actually be concerned about about? it's amusing how much you speak about conjecture but then state this is all coming from Ireland as if you factually know so. [/QUOTE] LOL, have you heard one of Philbin's postgame speeches or press conferences? How often do they actually sound like a football breakdown? Each one sounds like an attorney written note that's vaguely meant to do pretty much everything but answer the question. Do you think that's a potential GM's first thought?... or do you think he has room to be concerned about Aponte running to Philbin, or vice versa, in the middle of a season? It's just establishing that Ross hasn't had the greatest history with wanting to give people full autonomy. He didn't want to give it to Fisher; he employed Parcells as a czar above the GM for 3 years; two years ago our owner who knows dick about football apparently chose not to hire the guy our GM wanted; recently he wanted his GM to take a reduced role in personnel decisions; and just listening to quotes by Philbin, Ireland, etc you can tell our head coach has been well involved in those personnel decisions. Add to that the fact our owner is constantly going to Peterson which a potential GM could view as undermining. You cant tell me all this looks like roses if you're a GM candidate.
For a rookie under the new cba there is only one issue to address and it's that money thing if they change teams; don't even remember what it's called. And there was no question he was going to be signed. Jeff does deserve a lot of credit for the checkbook he left. That alone would attract a lot of GM's. Average team w/ some good wins, a promising QB, and money to spend. Not exactly an episode of dirty jobs.
