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WQAM reporting Sherman removed as OC

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ASOT, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Heres where I am stuck with this.

    It seems pretty clear, the majority of the consensus is that Ireland should be fired. If you believe media reports, some in the NFL cant believe he is still the GM.

    So...what gives? Ross relies on guys like Carl Peterson...and others to counsel him on things like this. If thats the case, then why would they be convincing Ross to keep Ireland.

    I do not think...Steve Ross would keep Ireland around, if the football people who Ross relies on for council, said he should go.
     
  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    When I first made that piss poor photo shop a couple of years back it was tongue and cheek. But now I believe the Ireland --> Ross analogy to Wormtongue --> Theoden is sadly, pretty ****ing spot on. Ireland has Ross's ear and he weasels his way into undeservedly keeping his job every year. Ross is much more decrepit and insane than Theoden; however.
     
  3. ASOT

    ASOT New Member

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    Any good owner would have seen this by now.....
     
  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Because I've read this story before in 2010. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if he was, but not counting on it. If Ireland really was with Ross at the Senior Bowl, you really think he's planning to fire him?
     
  5. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    He wasn't a QB coach til 2012 either. I mean, is it an accomplishment that he coached Aaron Rodgers after he was League MVP'? Or that he coached the TEs catching the ball from said superstar QB? I know nothing about the guy beyond this, just pointing out that he was in a pretty good situation with one of the great QBs in his prime.
     
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  6. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    This is the last year where you can even make a case to keep Ireland. If we don't improve, I will gladly join your side. However I don't think another year is a huge mistake.

    Ill let you know how I feel after the draft as well.
     
  7. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I'm positive Ireland won't be fired and I don't even like the guy, I just know Ross apparently has an attachment towards the guy for no apparent reason. He's always with the guy, the Orange Bowl, etc. Ireland has no track record of being a successful GM or scout, but Ross still seems to like him for some reason.
     
  8. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    So who is Saruman controlling Wormtongue/Ireland? Is it Parcells? And for that matter, who is going to be our Gandalf to rescue us from these f#$kers.
     
  9. ASOT

    ASOT New Member

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  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    2010 has nothiong to do with now. And yes, if he didn't go with him then everyone would know he was fired.

    Look, there may be things in the works. Once again many people have been wrong up to this point, (Sherman runs the team, Philbin would never fire Sherman, etc.)

    I'd just think as disappointed as we've all been we'd rather be patient since we don't have the facts yet instead of just staying angry for no reason right now.
     
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  11. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Ross having problems making these decisions. Just hire Dan, he fires Ireland and helps find new GM, new GM decides to keep/fires Philbin, new HC keeps/fires assistant coaches. Ross doesn't have to fire anyone.
     
  12. MIASportsFan

    MIASportsFan New Member

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    1 down, 2 to go. Not that I think Philbin or Ireland will actually be let go. Let's bring in someone with some offensive creativity for god's sake. Different formations, get under center, motion Mike Wallace like Philly does D Jax, Screens (although those have a lot to do with O-line) etc. The Sherman offense was just too predictable and stagnant.
     
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  13. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Hmmmmm. I think it would have to be Roger Goodell as Saruman. Some sort of evil conspiracy plot to keep the Dolphins mediocre and strapped with Ireland for eternity. Or maybe somehow, Bill Belichick.

    I'd love for John Gruden to be our Gandalf.
     
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  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Ross has essentially already made his decision by not firing him yet. He will be retained. And when he is, will you be mad then? Or will you hop back on the Ireland bandwagon?
     
  15. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Saruman is not evil enough for Bill Belichick. He is definitely Sauron, and you got that spygate and the Eye of Sauron analogy.
     
  16. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Sauron is Belichek
    Sarumon is Parcells
    Tony Sporano is Gimli?
    Rex Ryan is Troll King?
     
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  17. bran

    bran Senior Member

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  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    First of all, I was never on the bandwagon. I said I wanted more time because the Parcells info was tainted. Even then I said he should be fired if we fail to make the playoffs this year. Quit being you for a second.

    Secondly, that is a made up criteria you just did there. What if there's going to be a team president brought in and he's gonna fire Ireland? Wait let me guess, something happened 10 years ago that means this is crazy.

    Sigh.
     
  19. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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  20. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    WADR Find D, the chances the GM gets fired after the OC are very slim. You fire the big fishes first or together, then the trickle down firings catch the small fish. You don't work your way backwards.

    Then again though, this is the Dolphins we're talking about.
     
  21. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The NFL is rife with nepotism. Our WR coach was Philbin's boss while he was at Iowa. I don't have a problem with the practice, they either make the most of the opportunity or get fired.
     
  22. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Interesting how our offense is being portrayed as one which chose not to run the football, rather than the reality; we couldn't.
     
  23. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    WADR to you, that's just something that sounds good when you say it fast. If you bring in a team president, then it would be his job to fire the GM. Firing the OC before the GM has nothing to do with one another at all. they are two separate things.
     
  24. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Right I dont want to get too run happy or they turn back into the Sparano Dolphins.....their run game was fine, sans the whole it did work aspect of it...
     
  25. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    If Ross were going to bring a team president type to make decisions, why fire Sherman now as opposed to allowing the team president to make the decision? I know everything and anything can happen, it's just most of the time the simplest and most logical answers are the correct one.
    I know you're trying to keep a cool head and not buy into speculations, but sometimes things are just simple like that.

    I think us fans are going to start to have to start dealing with the idea that more than likely now Ireland will remain for at least one more year.
     
  26. finwin

    finwin Active Member

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    I've never seen Ireland sitting in the booth with Ross during games. I also see no connection between a head coach and a GM. I think with Philbin inverviewing for his assistants, will make a good choices this year. Ireland is decent in his FA acquisitions, he just needs to improve his drafting on offense.
     
  27. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Its the coaches job to fire his assistants not the team president's. That's why. Also, if the speculation is true about McAdoo, then we needed a vacancy immediately to get into the running for his services.

    There is literally nothing that says one has to come before the other.
     
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  28. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Lol...this board is gonna implode one way or the other when the news comes out.

    My take...Im smart enough to know....Im not smart enough to have a take. Yeh..firing Ireland sounds like a good idea. But...it could be that some really smart football people think hes done a good job. I honestly...just dont know.

    But...I do know...Im not gonna loose my **** one way or the other. Still gonna be a fan tomorrow....
     
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  29. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    WADR??? Waste Acid Detoxification and Reclamation? Is that what that stands for? OK...makes sense now if it's being used with this team. Seriously...How lazy do you animals need to get when you abbreviate that?
     
  30. Philbin may of decided to do it because he thought it was best for the team, Even if the speculation is correct that he was forced to fire somebody he wanted to keep he could still save face by lying about it. I do not think that would stop somebody grom going to Miami. The biggest factor is the chemistry between Philbin and whoever he interviews. Generally speaking An OC is only going to accept a job they feel like they will have success at. Whoever Philbin replaces him with is going to speak volumes about Philbin.
     
  31. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    It is the HC job to fire his assistants, but all things point out for this to be a mandate from Ross. It is a speculation, but not an unfounded one.

    You do have a good point about the McAdoo aspect.

    You're right there is nothing that says one has to come before the other, but that is the way it usually is. If a team goes straight for an OC first to fire, then that most likely means the HC and GM are not getting fired. It might not happen here, but it is the way things usually go.
     
  32. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Dudes...Sherman is gone....A major problem has been removed. A new coordinator will be here to inject some new blood into this corpse of an offense. Not sure what there is to complain about. Jim Turner is probably next...Cool the hell out.
     
  33. WADR I'm not lazy :tongue2:
     
  34. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Look...Philbin had final say over who on the staff stays and goes...If he truly believed in Sherman he would have told Ross that if Sherman goes...he goes too. I'm pretty certain as good of friends as they are Philbin had enough of the crap Sherman was producing. In the end I give props to that Goober Philbin for stepping up and making a tough call (but the right one) on a close friend. It's over now...it's done Sherman is gone.....GOOD. I doubt Philbin was coerced into firing Sherman as much as some of you are making it out to be. It's not like Ross held a gun to his head.
     
  35. GMJohnson

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    I wanted to see more draws, counters, traps, read option, etc. Not saying we'd run all over people with those plays but we never changed it up much. A sluggish run game is better than none at all.
     
  36. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Will anything short of putting Ross, Philbin (plus staff) & Ross on a stake, then burning them, along with Sunlife Stadium, satisfy the anger of the fanbase? The only thing that may save us is IFrankenstein.
     
  37. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    So what do we do when the whole thing implodes next season?
     
  38. Rouk

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    lol sorry but not everyone is going to give up being a head coach in the nfl just to get fired with his friend for standing his ground anyways. It would also be Philbins last job as a head coach in the nfl period. Lets face it the whole martin scandal and missing the playoffs by losing against two awful division rivals ending the dolphins season. Also factor in he hasn't exactly done anything ground breaking so throwing sherman under the bus is the easy move to make.
     
  39. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member


    Did he he step up or did Sherman tell him to let him go simply to save face....good friends, Sherman tax brackets can afford to do that. That way, Sherman gets his salary from Ross and his good friend saves face with Ross... Either way, he's gone and there are rumors that there's more to come... Interesting how quiet things have been...
     
  40. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm happy about this, wish Sherman the best of luck with the turning of a new chapter, but the game had passed him by. That being said, the offensive personnel still needs improved.
     

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