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AP source: Dolphins owner mulling possible shakeup (Thursday)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finwin, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Now there is a great idea!!!


    The QB coach part only
     
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  2. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    I'm all forgetting rid of Sherman and his family. It's a joke if at least Sherman and turner aren't gone.
     
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  3. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I'm not sure what people see in Chudzinski. Former Panther players didn't seem to like him or his style. Many have complained Sherman was too quick to give up on the running game throughout the year. Chudzinski is a guy that outright refused to run the ball with DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, and Mike Tolbert in the backfield. One year in Cleveland, and ownership was ready to move on from him, and yet want to retain the rest of the staff for the most part. I'm not interested in this guy frankly.

    As far as Sherman is concerned, I'm willing to see him retained. I don't think Sherman is a terrible coordinator. I don't agree with all of his decisions at times. He didn't exactly have a lot to work with either. The offensive line was completely overwhelmed the vast majority of the season. The running backs are not great pass blockers, either. Then you have the issue of whether or not skill position players fit the scheme (Wallace and Miller/Thomas) or were playing out of position (Mathews in the slot, Clay as a #1 TE). The balancing act is hard enough, never mind having to fit square pegs into round holes too. Did Sherman have the right personnel? Obviously not.

    Sherman still has the highest win % of any coach in Green Bay. Ron Wolf went on record saying that Sherman blew him away with his organizational abilities and attention to detail. His greatest failure was handling personnel. Frankly, the failure of the Miami Dolphins belongs to a personnel man too, Jeff Ireland. If Miami can get a GM to acquire talent that fits in with what Philbin's vision of this team should be, offensively and defensively, then I think we'll be OK. I'm concerned that Miami will start making too many changes, spreading blame on others rather than the one person who is ultimately responsible. I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If Sherman has the right personnel, could he do better? Could he be more consistent? I don't think the answer is a plainly obvious NO.

    Get rid of Ireland. Hire a GM who shares a vision with Philbin. Let them acquire the players they WANT and NEED to run their system and see what happens. Ryan Tannehill belongs to Philbin, Sherman, and co. He's the closest thing we have to a franchise QB. Let the marriage continue through the duration of Tannehill's contract, if that's what Philbin wants.

    If by then, the results are still negative, then hit the restart button and let a new coach and/or GM come in with a completely clean slate, rather then forcing them to cook a meal with another coaches leftovers.

    Cliffs:
    -Fire Ireland
    - Hire a new GM who can acquire talent that fits Philbin's vision, rather than a GM throwing a hodgepodge of players together, hoping coaches can make it fit/work.
    - Let Philbin hire/fire coaches as he sees fit. He's the coach. He has to work with these people.
    - Ultimately, Philbin is then and only then, completely accountable, good or bad.



    If Miami wants to start forcing Philbin to fire staff that he WANTS on this team, then we might as well fire Philbin. You can't cut the balls off your coach and think it's going to end up well. It's not. If Ross believes Philbin is the right guy for the job, let him control his own fate.
     
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  4. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    I think it would be incredibly stupid to fire Sherman and retain Philbin, Philbin himself is only 2 years removed from being an OC himself and he signed off on every play that Sherman called. They should all be fired.
     
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  5. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Get Heckert Jr. Started here, hired by Shula personally. Can work with Philbin, came to clev w no say in coach.
     
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  6. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    That's where I'm on the fence. If Philbin really saw nothing wrong with Sherman's play calls or game plans, fire Philbin too. If Philbin, behind closed doors disagreed with Sherman but didn't step in because of respect for Sherman, as his mentor, maybe Ross makes the decision for Philbin to get rid of Sherman.

    Hopefully that lights a fire under philbin's a** to step in and be more assertive, and leave his mark on this team. Not let the coordinators dictate this teams identity.
     
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  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Carolina brought in a new GM and kept the coach. Worked pretty well for them this year.
     
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  8. fins104

    fins104 New Member

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    Here are the moves i make. Fire Ireland. Hire someone from Baltimore or San Francisco as GM. Let them decide on philbin. Fire Sherman, Turner, and Taylor. Hire whoever they deem qualified for OC and OL coach but I LOVE the idea of hiring Chad Pennington as QB coach.
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I don't believe Kubiak would have any problem working under Philbin. Look at Wade Phillips. 2x former head coach. Went to work as the DC under Kubiak, no problem. I'd be glad to see us hire him or Kyle Shanahan.
     
  10. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It's about time you started earning your keep around here. :shifty:
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say Nat Moore isn't joining our coaching staff. Think. He is 62. He retired in the mid 80s and never been a coach. He's going to start now?
     
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  12. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I'm glad that after another failure by his organization he is "considering" a shake up. Hopefully he doesn't wait until all of the top choices have been picked through by owners that know what they are doing or at least have a plan.
     
  13. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    No kidding.
     
  14. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Shaken , not stirred , let alone blown up .

    Better be more than shaken.
     
  15. Califin

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    Ross didn't and still doesn't want to fire Philbin, but the last two weeks capsized the ship, and so Ross will rightfully want Philbin to convince him once again, that he knows what went wrong, and that he can definitely right the ship, and steer it back on course for a championship.

    I don't expect he'll go anywhere near telling Philbin who to fire, but very likely is hoping Sherman's departure will be part of Philbins plan of correction. If it isn't, then Philbin better be clear and convincing why not, or I expect Ross will simply end Philbins tenure directly after he hears him out.
    I would speculate Ross sincerely wants to give Philbin a chance to fix things, but prudence demands a viable plan for the future of his team, and a coach he can rely on, to lead the way.

    Hearing Philbin's presser the other day, of his vague, broad based approach, and unwillingnesss to simply answer the direct questions the press were asking him, didn't leave me very optomistic, that Philbin will necessarily be, in that forementioned frame of mind.

    As for Ireland, I believe its equally pivotal. If Philbin's mindset doesn't impress Ross, then I'm not so sure Ireland does. They're riding or sinking on the same boat.
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    Love to have kubiac as our coordinator as well...the bootleg offense...nuff said..

    Look what he did with shaub, an unathletic Qb who can't come close to Tannehills dexterity going right or left..

    He had that dude running boots all the time..defense never knew what direction he was coming from..eventually shaub couldn't execute as well as the scheme put him into position to do so..
     
  17. rdhstlr23

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    People love David Shaw...his play calling today ia horrible. Talk about predictable and dull...wow
     
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  18. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    If he could get the many good years of production out of that Houston offense with Shaub, he should be able to work wonders with Tanny and co. Who knows, maybe we'd get our first win against Houston if he was here!
     
  19. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Totally agree about the last part.

    This is what I hope Stephen Ross is researching.

    How many coaches that lost coordinators due to poor results, were able to replace them and be more successful?

    I can't think of any.

    We tried with Sparano and Brian Daboll and it didn't work.
     
  20. rdhstlr23

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    If you're Ross you do one of the following:

    1. Fire Jeff Ireland and leave everyone else alone. You believe Ireland isn't providing enough talent.

    2. Fire Joe Philbin and Ireland stays. You believe the talent is there, but the coaches aren't performing.

    3. Fire Jeff Ireland and Joe Philbin. The talent isn't enough and the coaches are utilizing the talent there. GM hired coach and failed. HC hired assistants and failed. Team underperformed.

    I'd go with #3.

    But you can't do one of each. You can't fire an assistant and the GM like what's being rumored. Youre assessing accountability to the GM, but not the HC. Yet, you're saying there are coaching issues on the offensive side...Philbin's "expertise" and guys Philbin personally hired.
     
  21. bigbry

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    Anybody looking forward to hearing ESPN tomorrow morning announce the Dolphins have scheduled a presser for 1PM EST ?

    anyone?

    Lovie Smith new coach of Bucs, just announced
     
  22. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Is there a presser for tomorrow?
     
  23. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    Its becoming obvious the owner and his council haven't made up their mind, or theyre just starting to now. Ross is starting to look like a complete buffoon once again. He's leaving the pissed off fanbase hanging here, not committing one way or the other yet. We look like the raiders right now. If your goin to keep these guys around it might be wise to start supporting them. If your going to change things you don't wait and waffle.

    Atleast Wayne lured jimmy, Saban, tuna.... We might be wishing for mediocrity after a decade with this clown ! /rant
     
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  24. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lovie is such a nice, stable hire for the Bucs. Not sure he's incredible, but he's like Fischer. You know what you're getting.

    Wish we had the cajones to try and get him.
     
  25. CaribPhin

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    The idea is that the account is staff owned or sanctioned to say really wrong things. Check post history after big games. Meant to act as a lightning rod for our anger and a waxing post for our condescension.

    Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk
     
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  26. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I don't think Lovie is a bad hire either. In fact, I like him. He took Rex Grossman to a superbowl. That's almost as impressive as Shula taking David Woodley to a superbowl. Given the defensive talent he'll have in Tampa, I think they'll be a much improved team. If the team can pickup some offensive talent, he'll have them in the playoffs soon enough.
     
  27. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    I think we're jumping the gun on Steven Ross being a buffoon in this situation.

    All the teams that fired their coaches finished worse than us, and some of them are being made out to be buffoons in the process(Cleveland).

    Not saying he won't do something stupid in the near future, just don't think he's done anything really wrong yet. It's been 3 days
     
  28. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Admittedly after the jets game i wanted blood and lots of it.

    Having cooled off a few days after, i just want sherman and turner gone. I think you replace those two and we just might win 2-3 more games right there. Certainly 1 more to be sure.
     
  29. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    He seems indecisive and lost. Not a good look for a man leading a billion dollar franchise.
     
  30. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    It's so close buddy. So close. So clo

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  31. fins104

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    Can you explain why he seems indecisive and lost? Because he wasn't overreactive and firing everyone right after the game? He didn't expect to lose so he wasn't really prepared to fire anyone right after the game and then the 2 days after were new years eve and new years day where he didn't have any meetings.

    That doesnt mean indecisive and lost. Id rather an owner take time to mke an important decision rather than be reactive and emotional after that game.
     
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  32. Serpico Jones

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    The problems on offense are all on Ireland, IMO. Lack of talent at RB, OL and a bipolar quarterback are all on him.
     
  33. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    How? Cause he hasn't fired anyone immediately? After an 8-8 season?

    The last two games were an embarrassment, don't get me wrong. Im sick to my stomach how this season ended. But i also get not firing guys right away and really evaluating the situation.
     
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  34. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    A man that owns a billion dollar franchise should always be prepared with a backup plan.
     
  35. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    i dont see how tannehill is bipolar but i'll give you the rest. Im certainly not going to defend ireland by any means.
     
  36. Eop05

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    I do kind of agree. Although I'm not thrilled with Philbin.

    But as much as it pains me to say it, keeping him around may be the best option.
     
  37. Serpico Jones

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    There's nothing to evaluate, IMO.
     
  38. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    a man who owns a billion dollar franchise doesn't make decisions on a whim either.
     
  39. fins104

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    Who is to say he didn't have one? Just because all the franchises that went 4-12 and 3-13 and what not fired their coaches the day after the season means we have to. We went 8-8 and would have went to the playoffs with a win in 2 easily winnable games to end the year.
     
  40. Eop05

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    But look at Cleveland. Look how decisive they were for firing Chudzinski. And it comes off looking like a joke. Even the player personnel are dumbfounded by the decision to release a coach after 1 season, 3 QB injuries and resulting poor QB play.
     

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