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Black Monday thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by steveincolorado, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    And that is what people were saying in Carolina about Rivera last year. Just saying
     
  2. Desides

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    Ron Rivera wasn't exactly having a good first half to his season this year, either. Not sure why people are content to ignore that and just suddenly proclaim him to be a really good head coach.
     
  3. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    The number 2 seed Carolina team this year.....lol
     
  4. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Those teams also had success.

    Bob Kraft fired Pete Carroll after 3 seasons before hiring Belichick and if brady doesn't get off the bench at 0-2 after a 5-11 campaign, who knows what happens.

    The Giants went through coaches before hiring Coughlin and he was on the hot seat untl he won Super Bowl. Pitt had immediate success under both Cowher and Tomlin.
     
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  5. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Riveira isn't a great coach.

    In desprate times he literally pulled a Costanza and "did the opposite" of everything he believed in as a coach and it worked.
     
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  6. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Not really, but some people prefer staying on topic.
     
  7. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Like excessive *****ing on a forum is going to change anything.
     
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  8. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Like *****ing about the *****ing is going to change anything either.
     
  9. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I don't want to say you are wrong (though I feel you are about the Giants; Reeves had 4 years, Fassel had like 7 before Coughlin), but none of any of this (including my anecdotes really) shows that by acting quickly it is a sign of a successful owner.
     
  10. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    You also conveniently forgot the 49ers, the Seahawks, the Ravens, the Broncos, the Eagles and other teams I've probably forgotten that changed coaches and/or GMs till they got it right and had success.
     
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  11. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    It's not that acting quickly is a sign of a successful owner, it's that successful people are decisive. They know what they want and who they want and they go after them until they get them. If that decision was wrong, they don't stick with it out of stubborn pride, they move on and learn by their mistakes.
     
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  12. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not commenting on acting quickly, but on making the right decision. You can make an assesment about a ehad coach in 2 years and there is no magic number that needs to be hit to know if he is going to succeed.

    Pittsburgh has never had to make a tough call because every coach they have had from Knoll forward has been immediately succesful.

    The Giants have given time but their coaches have rotuinely been on the hot seat and then responded from fassell's "putting my chips in the middle of the table" moment to Coughlin's two separate miracles
     
  13. Stitches

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    I didn't forget any except the Ravens. I named teams that have won multiple championships in the past decade or so.
     
  14. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    As of 22 hours ago, we were in the playoffs. Even successful people might need a little more time than that (and maybe a little sleep, too) to evaluate an executive decision with significant short- and longterm ramifications. Because, you see, successful people usually don't fire hip shots. They tend to aim.
     
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  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I see the Browns and Dolphins right now as 2 polar extremes of ineptitude. The Browns firing their guy waaaaay too early and the Dolphins keeping a guy around waaaaay too long in Jeff Ireland.
     
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  16. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    You're too picky, particularly for a Dolphins fan. I'd "settle" for consistently making the playoffs and having a winning record at this point. Hell, I miss Wanspiel at this point.
     
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  17. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Truly successful people would have already had a plan in place in case of such a collapse. It wasn't unforeseeable.
     
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  18. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I really don't see why yesterdays game would change anybodys opinion. Look at the coaches and GM's body of work over the season(s). Ross has to know by now what he's going to do!
     
  19. Stitches

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    And maybe Ross is going through with his plan. Not every plan has to involve firings at the zero hour.
     
  20. ckparrothead

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    Here's the thing I don't necessarily buy about comparing with Ron Rivera.

    That dude got results right away. The team won 2 games in 2010. That's it. Just 2 games. The next year after Rivera took over with a rookie QB nobody thought was ready to play (excepting a few of us), he increased the win total to 6 games. Then he increased it to 7 games the following year. And that was despite some questionable GM'ing in 2011 and 2012 that got the GM fired. I mean, you're trying to build a defense and in the middle of the defensive line your sticking rookies Terrell McClain and Sione Fua? Dwan Edwards and Ron Edwards? James Anderson at linebacker? And there really were quite a few injuries in 2012 if you look at it all.

    So by my book I see a coach that increased his average win total by 4.5 wins versus what his team did before he arrived, and had to deal with a GM that was being fired for poor performance. That's actually pretty decent. I guess I could see firing Rivera, being convinced he's not going to pan out, but at the same time he'd actually accomplished some things that were objectively impressive. Not least of which is hiring an assistant coach that went on to be a head coach (Rob Chudzinski).
     
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  21. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This is true. But as the owner of a billion dollar operation, after the Buffalo game Ross should have begun to build a decision tree if his mind wasn't already made up.

    If Miami beats the Jets makes the playoffs; then...

    If Miami beats the Jets misses the playoffs; then...

    If Miami loses to the Jets, misses playoffs; then...

    If Miami is embarrassed by Jets; then...

    In any business successful owners, managers, supervisors and project managers anticipate the future and have courses of action for each scenario. It's project/risk management 101.
     
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  22. LBsFinest

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    Wtf is taking this big eared idiot so long to fire this bum?!?!!
     
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  23. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Well, he's already shown that he doesn't mind talking to a new coach before he fires the old one, so maybe you're right.
     
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  24. Rocky Raccoon

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    I saw on twitter last night that we are tied 2nd in the league since 2000 with most head coach firings. Others with us? Raiders, Browns, Bills, Redskins, Lions.

    But yeah, let's keep firing coaches after only 2 years!!!
     
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  25. GMJohnson

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    Maybe we should fire them after one year, eff that, one loss and they're fired.

    Restore the 17-0 standard...:shifty:
     
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  26. PSG

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    Fair enough, I guess.
     
  27. Stitches

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    If I didn't think it would result in an utter and complete disaster, I'd almost want to see it.
     
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  28. Griese's Glasses

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    Philbin hasn't been great but 7-9 and 8-8 are no reason to plug the plug after two seasons. He has good character and his approach is good.

    That said I am tired of his pre-game/post-game babbling. He is turning into a broken record and it hurts to watch.
     
  29. Stitches

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    So don't? :shrug:
     
  30. PSG

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    Of course it wont. But to sit around ci stsntly just saying "oh well maybe next year this same group of underachieving misfits will do better" is silly too.
    This group has proven to be nothing better than a .500 outfit.
     
  31. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I think his mind was made up just fine. Everyone stays. Then we managed to pull the kind of choke job that usually ends up getting people fired. Could Ross have accounted for that possibility? Sure. But what, specifically, could he have done about it?
     
  32. Rick 1966

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    Nothing beforehand, other than not hire these jokers to begin with. After, plenty. He could have fired them and hired someone who knows what they're doing.
     
  33. Vendigo

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    All in the span of 22 hours. Quite a day.
     
  34. Disgustipate

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    I don't see why people are saying the number of years matter when you can objectively identify bad coaching going on.
     
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  35. Rick 1966

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    Somehow five other teams managed the first part of it. Is Ross less competent than those other owners?
     
  36. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    And Stephen Ross should follow their speedy example exactly why? No one will conduct an interview today. The Dolphins lose precisely nothing by taking a day (or even three) to evaluate their decision; something these other teams were able to do for weeks, not as plan B, but as a definite.

    Literally the only reason to fire someone right away would be to feed the mob who's looking for blood.
     
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  37. schmolioot

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    How is that possible?

    Wanny resigned. Bates was interim coach. Saban resigned. Cameron and Sparano were fired and both deservingly.
     
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  38. dWreck

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    Ive always been on the fence with alot of the ireland issues and stuff. .... but im legitimately surprised we haven't heard something about anyone yet..
     
  39. PSG

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    Im not surprised at all. Stephen Ross doesnt do anything swiftly or with conviction.
     
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  40. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Because the field of potential candidates is limited, and we've seen many times how potential coaching candidates appreciate the idea that they are the main focus of the team that's trying to hire them. If Ross is competent and intends at any point this offseason to fire his GM, then the new GM (if he's worth having) will want to hire his own head coach. If we are to get a jump on the better candidates, we need to get a new GM in place very, very soon.
     
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