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Can we please stop blaming Ireland now?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 2socks, Dec 22, 2013.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Anyone think Ted Thompson needs to hire a consultant to eval quarterbacks?
     
  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I really don't know. I do know that many teams do it though.
     
  3. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's not Steve Ross either because he doesn't set the salary cap.
     
  4. fins104

    fins104 New Member

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    Of course Ireland has final say but his job is to take into account what his football people are telling him. TO blame every decision on Ireland is completely ignorant.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Ireland is not only responsible for overseeing and coordinating the college and pro personnel departments, but also helps manage the team’s salary cap and player contracts.

    You're supposedly a smart college educated guy. You should know what an overseer is. Overseer is a person who directs and manages an organization. It is another word for boss. That he has final say in personnel moves is only ambiguous to you. That he works with Philbin in implementing a personnel plan means that he gets input from Philbin, not that there is a 50/50 relationship. That idea is nullified by the part about Ireland being the overseer. Not the co-overseer.
     
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  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It is only difficult for you.
     
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  7. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Yeah, he oversees the scouting departments. Thats just one aspect of the process.
     
  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Good to have you back, man. Many here have missed you a lot. :bighug:
     
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  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So, you're saying SB is posting stoned? :shifty: Maybe a tab of acid involved from time to time? Perhaps SB is the Timothy Leary of thephins.com? At least Leary talked about more interesting things like orgasms on acid. :yes:
     
  10. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    That a no then?
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I think you just like to argue to extend threads so the site gets more hits.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Totally agree!!! 100%
     
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  13. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    It depends on what your belief is. You believe the talent is bad. I believe it to be equal to most teams. I also believe good coaches can take mediocre talent and get above average results. Haven't seen that here (15-16). As another poster pointed out Joe Philbin was our 4th or 5th choice for head coach. Then someone, weather Ireland or Philbin, has hired most of the assistant coaches who have little to no experience. So we have what we have. A mediocre team. As long as everyone is on board with these years being learning years for everyone, then I guess in 3 or 4 we should be good. I am not ready to place ALL the blame at Irelands feet. Everyone has blame - Coaches, GM, Owner, players.
     
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  14. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Really? when did I say that? Jeff Ireland is NOT responsible for all the blame for 2 seasons producing 15-16 record. PERIOD!!!!!! I never said he was not accountable. You guys are the ones who want to lay it all at Ireland's feet and it's totally ridiculous.
     
  15. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Did anyone ever consider:

    Ireland was told " The new coach is going to be................................"

    Philbin was told " The GM is going to be....................................."

    just asking?
     
  16. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    I don't at all. I think it's ridiculous. I disagree with Stringer on a lot of things, but to call him a troll is absurd.
     
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  17. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    LOL. "Ham-handed cave recluse". I hope to God Jeff's having VistaPrint make him up a batch of business cards with that on it.
     
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  18. GMJohnson

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    Well in order to bolster a weak argue meant sometimes you have to throw some made up ish in there. Bad moves are now all on Ireland, good moves are on Philbin. Got it?
     
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  19. GMJohnson

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    I'm sure you'd have a field day with his handling of the OL and the defense if you weren't so busy ripping Ireland.
     
  20. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    a Stringer Bell subforum?????

    Oh hells yeah
     
  21. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That is not all he oversees.
     
  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I wouldn't expect you to.
     
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  23. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Do you really want to try and paint Jeff Ireland as Ted Thompson's equal? Do you really want to go down that road?
     
  24. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Ireland must go, from there I defer to whomever the new GM is. If he wants Philbin or any other or ALL the coaching staff fired that's fine with me.

    But it MUST start with a new GM, period.

    Not going to stop blaming Ireland till he's long gone.
     
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  25. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    we have a winner!
     
  26. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    scratch that. co-winners!

    :up::up::up:
     
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  27. toto

    toto Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly what I was saying in another thread. If a player pans out it's coaching, if not it was a bad move by Ireland...

    Here is a good articele on the "bad decision" by Ireland to replace Dansby and Burnett with Wheeler and Ellerbe:
    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...y-reasons-miami-dolphins-run-d-struggles.html
     
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  28. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Look at the author of that blog post. He's Jeff Ireland's mouthpiece. That article is nothing more than Jeff feeding him information and trying to deflect blame from him to the coaching staff.
     
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  29. toto

    toto Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You might be right.

    But the fact that Wheeler and Ellerbe were pretty good last year and are declining here and Burnett and Dansby were mediocre here and having good to great years now elsewhere is not on Ireland.

    Don't get me wrong, with all the circumstances I think it's time for Ireland to go. I'm just not ready to blame anything on him when stuff like that is more on coaching imo.
    I'm just not sold about a lot of things our coaches do in using players or scheme-wise and I think we have to look at specific circumstances to issue the blame.

    Not everything is on Ireland just like not everything is on the coaches...
     
  30. Stringer Bell

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    What is the evidence supporting this theory? Are you saying he's a mouthpiece simply because of the content of what he writes???
     
  31. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Really? Do you think the staff is under salary or on some commission-based system?

    In fact, when does the staff ever drive content in the forums? It's pretty rare. The staff rarely even starts threads
     
  32. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Common sense. It's well known that Ireland is Armando's leak in the building which is why he always blames the coaches and never the GM.
     
  33. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    We don't need to defend ourselves. Our records speak for themselves. We know a lot of posters come here to take their shot at me. I don't do this for money, this is what I live for.

    Maynard remember when I posted for 72 hours straight with a bad knee? People were forming alliances to try and take me down, but I prevailed.
     
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  34. Stringer Bell

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    What is the evidence supporting this theory? Are you saying he's a mouthpiece simply because of the content of what he writes??? Well known how? How did this come to be accepted fact???
     
  35. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The fact that you haven't been banned or otherwise banished to Finheaven is a much more stark example of any sort of institutional tolerance than anything you can come up with.

    Stringer Bell could just post bestiality pictures all day every day for a week and you still wouldn't be on even footing.
     
  36. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    At first I also thought that Stringer Bell was just posting troll bait, but I think that he actually really respects this front office, I'm not sure why, but I think he does.
     
  37. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I have no opinion of individual employees of the front office.

    What I do respect is that this organization finally has a system in place that prevents a single person from mortgaging the team's future. The organization has done a complete 180 from the Huizenga days.

    The situation at hand is pretty instructive. If Stephen Ross were to fire Jeff Ireland or Dawn Aponte or Joe Philbin, there would be no long-term damage that needs to be undone. There would be no seasons devoted to rebuilding. That is a testament to the structure in place.
     
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  38. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Maybe so, but the fact remains that Wheeler and Ellerbe do suck, and I doubt that the decision to jettison Dansby and Barnett and bring Wheeler and Ellerbe in was made by the coaching staff.
     
  39. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    And it's not like they use artificial numbers like some sites do...
     
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  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think the decision to jettison Barnett was made by coaching staff and the decision to jettison Dansby was made by management based on information from coaching staff.

    The decision to bring in Wheeler and Ellerbe was made by management based on wishes of coaching staff.
     
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