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no need to waste draft picks on the offensive line

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I think if Clabo keeps up his play from the last 6 games, he's played his way back into a quality starter. Pouncey is a lock. If McKinnie has another year left in him, I think you resign him. I'm interested to see how Brenner continues to develop. To come from the practice squad to starter to actually playing decent, he could have some upside and be the makings of a really good story.

    At this point:

    LT- McKinnie
    LG- Brenner
    C- Pouncey
    RG-?
    RT- Clabo

    I think you look for either a stud in the last first round or in one of the middle rounds of the draft.
     
  2. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Lmao aren't u the guy who was crying about how you were being insulted yesterday?
     
  3. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    This thread. Worst jynx ever.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
     
  4. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Hey 23...

    Are you watching this game today???

    We don't need to waste Draft Picks on THIS line?!?!?!?!?

    We better spend about 50% of the offseason resources on offensive linemen.
    Like about 4 of them!
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    5 sacks given up today. FIVE. We need serious oline help.
     
  6. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What a joke.
     
  7. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    NJ
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    Did our horrific o-line...
    shatter the NFL sack allowed record ...
    yet?
    Gut these pigs,


    start anew.
     
  8. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    7, but who is counting
     
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  9. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Can we ban this mouth breather now?
     
  10. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    We don't need to spend picks on the offensive line is slightly less believable than saying Lindsey Lohan is a model citizen.
     
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  11. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    IMVHO we need LT, LG, RG, RT, and an OL coach. I could never trust Ireland to accomplish that.
     
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  12. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    We most certainly need some upgrades on the offensive line. Pouncey and Brenner are probably the only ones worth keeping. Brenner as a backup for that matter. Maybe we keep Jerry.
     
  13. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I don't see why we keep Jerry - too fat and too slow... a bad combination at any position. Think Vernon Carey..He was good for a while, but......

    McKinney showed his age against Buffalo. He hasn't got it against the better rushers.
    Brenner we need to keep - stepping in against the competition he played against.. he could grow into a starter, or at best a good backup at either guard.
    Clabo is not good enough for a good calibre line..

    This line was condemned to mediocrity at best when Philbin had no choice other than Martin to play LT, and Jerry was not replaced.

    Keeping other posts in mind, Philbin, if he is smart and is reading the tea leaves, will examine his staff, and draw some other coaches to him - if he is retained if the team gets a new General Manager. And it appears as if getting a new General Manager will be necessary. If the new GM can be convinced to give Philbin a chance to retool the staff while the GM begins the retooling of the roster, I think Philbin will need to install at least a new offensive coordinator and new offensive line coach. And I am not sold on Coyle as a defensive coordinator. Too many times the opponents running game has looked like what I would hope our team's running game would be - but sadly is not.

    So, we are in football hell - we do not have a running game, and we cannot stop the running game. Throw in the either mis-acquired or atrociously coached linebackers, and this is a decidedly over-achieving team to be in the position we are right now. That I attribute mainly to Tannehill's grit, a surprising receiver corps, the DL's stout play, and Grimes, Carroll, and a couple of unsung DBs.
     
  14. PhinishLine

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    I'd keep McKinnie because he's the only lineman that has had any clue what was going on. Athletically he is falling apart....but he is the only that ever seems to have any commentary (Coach Included) on oline adjustments. Helped Brenner's play I believe.
     
  15. ckparrothead

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    I was wondering if this thread would evolve beyond the original post and center on more worthy debate/discussion. I checked in and...nope. We're not able to get beyond the absurdity of the thread's origin. :)
     
  16. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I tried, CK.. but, alas.. my poor efforts were not productive!

    Sorry
     
  17. Da 'Fins

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    A - as noted, Incognito is gone.
    B - Clabo, though improved from earlier in the season since his benching, is still a significant weakness. And, he's on a one year deal so he is almost certainly gone.
    C - McKinnie - we probably should keep him unless we land a stud in some other way. Not likely given where we'll be drafting and not likely via free agency (Unless we are talking Alberts on KC again).
    D - Pouncey - as noted is not going to be had for a high draft choice.

    They do need to go after the best OG and OT available in free agency. And, then, they also need to draft the best OL available in the 1st round. But, if Ireland is doing the drafting, it is a significant possibility they will bomb on that. Ireland would do better throwing darts at pictures from 40 feet and picking the one that got stuck than he does in his drafting via use of his brain. It's horrific.

    Nevertheless. Try to sign one stellar veteran (possibly two) and then draft one in round one and another one later.
     
  18. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Well said.
     
  19. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Nominate for post of the month, correct and dead on in every word, totally agree!
     
  20. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Something I think everyone needs to realize here.

    The team will not get their left tackle in free agency. The reason is, teams do not let quality left tackles leave, unless you screw up like Miami did with the negotiations with Jake Long and Randy Starks and opt to franchise Starks instead. The fact of the matter is, if a left tackle is available in free agency, then he's available for a reason. Some are going to say throw a bunch of money at Michael Oher. Let's just say there is a reason the Ravens traded for Eugene Monroe and has Oher playing on the right side. Oher will be available in free agency because he's not very good. His best season was his rookie season, and he has progressively gotten worse since then. If Jeff Ireland is retained, this is a player I can see him throwing a bunch of money at though.
     
  21. k-bayfinfan

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    Holy Orca!! What a waste of bandwidth! Can't believe this thread went 3 pages. I was done after the first
     
  22. k-bayfinfan

    k-bayfinfan Bikini Inspector

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    Holy Orca!! What a waste of bandwidth! Can't believe this thread went 3 pages. I was done after the first post
     
  23. NaboCane

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    Does wonders for the milk of human fondness, though.
     
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  24. Den54

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    AMERICA!
    Welcome back Joe.:knucks:
     
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  25. Da 'Fins

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    What I think you have to realize here is that no one expects a high quality LT in free agency. But, that the team is likely to have to do that (either re-signing McKinnie or getting another player who is a make-shift LT). They won't get a starting LT in the draft - in the mid teens or early 20's.

    So, they will have to get a LT out of free agency unless Dallas Thomas performs an off-season miracle gaining 20 lbs and becoming a stud. Otherwise, they have no LT.

    And, you may not realize this, but a team does have to put a player out there. ;)
     
  26. jim1

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    I don't think that weight is a major issue with Dallas Thomas, i just don;t think that he's all that good. I went over this clip of him against Alabama in 2011 so I could see him at LT, where I'm guessing that he was most comfortable at before moving positions to accomodate Antonio Richardson. He has that Jon Martin feel, stick your hands up and brace the DE- looks technically sound from what I can tell, but the point is that ,as with martin, I'm wondering how good his hand/eye coordination really is. He has pretty decent feet- my question is, where do you play this guy? Based on his playing style I'm thinking that his best position is LT, and if he can;t cut it there i'm looking at a worse fit at RT (as a power blocker) and even worse as a Guard. The best thing that I saw him do was to block on the second level, shows some good movement and athleticism. He's just not a compelling player to me, I would have rather had a WR or DE with that pick. Or maybe an OT with more talent like David Bakhtiari.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKja4ILzuaE
     
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  27. Finrunner

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    There's quite a few decent LTs in this draft, I believe. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that we make a similar trade-up to what we did last year - not all the way up to # 3, but up six or seven slots to # 12 or so. In a lot of mocks I've seen (albeit, they're all really early), it seems like OTs don't go in the Top 5, but there is a run on them from #6 to #15 where five or six of them go (Matthews, Lewan, Kouandjio, Robinson, Richardson, Erving) . Miami could do some dealing to move up and grab one, and not something where they'd be out next year's # 1 or anything like that. Obviously, this scenario depends on guys foregoing their next/last year of college, so maybe all those names won't be there, but I think it's a good bet that most of them will.

    I think there's still a high likelihood that Keith is correct, and we'll get the OT from the draft.
     
  28. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I'd be fine with drafting 3, maybe 4 OL next draft, depending on what happens in FA. McKinnie is older, unsigned for next year and has a bad knee. Incognito is gone, Brenner is so-so and undersized, and I don't like Jerry very much. Clabo is overpriced given his performance, Garner is adequate and Yeatman blew his knee out. Given our dire needs and the ridiculous number of sacks this year, not to mention the lousy run blocking- load up. Good year for it.
     
  29. Finrunner

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    If you're fine with it, you'll probably have a happy draft. I do think we'll pick up a couple of guys in free agency (not just to compete but to play), but I figure we'll draft two to three linemen first and second day. Free agency is first, though, so I guess I should wait before presuming. And I'm not sure of the contract status of Jerry, Garner, or Brenner, but those guys and Thomas may be our depth. Hopefully, a year of offseason workouts do wonders for guys like Thomas and Brenner. Jerry and Garner are probably what they are at this point.
     
  30. MrClean

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    In preseason we saw a lot of Brenner and he did not impress me at all. It could be he improved quite a bit since the start of regular season until when he was signed to the active roster.
     
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