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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LI phinfan, Dec 24, 2013.

  1. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    That's one issue but at the same time, John Jerry turning around and basically tipping the defense when the snap will be was also an issue. Turner just needs to go, seriously.
     
  2. Gunner

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    Go or go-go ... cadence suggestion verse cadence discussion all comes down to me poor BS. Coaching is lacking on this team. Game 16 and we still haven't really addressed it by coaches and a player is the one voicing it = bad job. Not saying Philbin needs to go because of this issue but I'm not happy with this part of his game
     
  3. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    New team. New line. New scheme. New coaching staff. All true. But when the offensive line totally sucks, which in my opinion is indisputable; when after 15 games there is a regression that wipes out all previous progress; when that regression involves coachable matters that are known to and exploited by an opposing team the way Buffalo exploited them; when what is going on between the players in the locker room results in a scandal that surprises the coaching staff; and when a veteran player brought in from a winning team starts offering suggestions that should be obvious even to a first-time NFL offensive line coach, that coach is not up to the job and needs to go. Period.
     
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This isn't really the first time that it's been alleged either, beyond the "go/go-go" thing. Nate Garner mentioned something about it after the Bucs game, and did JJ Watt after the 2012 opener.

    Coaching staff is super bad, fire them all.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol..wow..holy sh&$ man..
     
  6. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Turner needs to be replaced. I've said this since game five of the season. Sherman cannot & will not be replaced.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Running for a first down when the pocket collapses would be nice.
     
  8. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I have seen other RGs do this on other teams as well. Not sure why it seems to specific that position, but it seems to be only RG.

    My father pointed out that Pouncey has a tendency to squat lower only right before the snap. I have not seen this yet, but I have not looked for it.
     
  9. chadisawesome

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  10. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Bryant McKinnie has clarified what he was talking about. As first brought up by Alex44, McKinnie has made it more clear he wasn't talking about the "Go" versus "Go-Go" thing. He was talking about the silent count.

    I've still yet to see any current Dolphins player or coach suggest that the "Go" versus "Go-Go" thing is an issue. I'm not saying it isn't an issue. I can see why some people think it's an issue, but I can also see how it would NOT be an issue at all, with everything going so fast-paced and with all the things you've got to key on in the trenches.

    Either way, Bryant McKinnie wasn't taking issue with that. He was taking issue with the consistency of Miami's rhythm once they get lined up. He felt the defense was starting to get a feel for it. That doesn't have to do with "Go" versus "Go-Go". In fact the "Go" versus "Go-Go" cadence is meant to break up the monotony of that rhythm in a manner that the offense is prepared for (because they all know whether the play is going to be a run or pass) but the defense is not prepared for (because ideally they don't know whether you're passing or running).
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

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    I always assumed the go vs go-go thing was meant to prevent the defense from getting a feel for Miami's rhythm. Obviously different if they're on a silent count, which is why I asked that initially.
     
  12. jdang307

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...cked-up-dolphins-snap-count-from-hard-knocks/

     
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  13. ckparrothead

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    Where I think the "go" versus "go-go" thing tends to hurt the most is when the team gets into obvious situations. If you know Miami needs to pass the football then you're going to use audible cues instead of visual cues to get into your rush. The audible cue is what the quarterback uses to tell his own offensive players when to get going on the play, and so if the defensive player can be confident about going off the audible cue then he's now working on equal footing with the offensive players when it comes to reacting to the snap.

    If a defensive player has to use visual cues then he's not on equal footing. You'd have the audible cue, a reaction delay from the offensive players, then the offensive players would begin moving, then there would be another reaction time delay from the defensive players, then the defensive players would get moving. That's one more reaction time delay for the defense than the offense.

    So when the offense gets into end of half type situations where the clock is an issue then the defense can pin their ears back and go off audible cues.
     
  14. ASOT

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  15. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    I believe the reason they use go/go-go as opposed to just go for everything is specifically to allow us to look for defenses cheating the audible count then we can switch it up and burn them. I also think its possible it kind of mesmerizes the defense and they don't get off as quick as they should on passing downs because they are waiting a split second to hear that second go, thats pure speculation on my part but I've heard that Philbin is the only coach in the NFL using player tracking software at practice so I'm sure he has actual measured data on this stuff.
     
  16. PhinsRock

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    For McKinney? Don't have a link, but read the article in the Sun Sentinel.

    But most if not everyone on this board has known this for at least 12 games, how could Philbin, Turner and Sherman not have known this. I'm ready for a new GM to hire their own coaching staff, preferably people with actual successful NFL experience.

    Praying Lovie Smith isn't signed and is available when our HC search starts. Expect he goes to Texans, but would cream myself if somehow we landed him.
     
  17. Bpk

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    Proving once again that YES it IS possible that we here on the message boards ALL see something and know how to fix it, but that the coaches either DON'T or WON'T.

    This isn't directed at you, CK.

    But so that next time posters are loudly shouting down anyone who criticizes coaches by saying "Oh, as if posters and fans know better than COACHES!!" maybe they will remember things like this.

    Because the enswer to "As if fans know better than coaches!!" is that Yes…. yes, in fact we often do. Some people just do their jobs firkin' poorly. Including some coaches.
     
  18. Bpk

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    Which are the most important moments in a game.
     
  19. Bpk

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    Well if Turner's not gone, I sure as hell am. I expect this team to at least stop committing Hari Kari on the O-line if I'm gonna invest time and energy rooting for it.
     
  20. Bpk

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    One wonders what Turner actually spends time teaching them.
     
  21. cdz12250

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    There's no scenario I can dream up right now where Turner keeps his job. Even if they go back to the drawing board and come up with some adjustments that improve the line's performance with the personnel they have, then it becomes clear that Turner had no clue. If they epically fail like last week, Turner's gone too.
     
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  22. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    The Dolphins are only one of the best teams in the league at the 2 minute drill, just imagine how much better we could be without the stupid go/go-go thing...
     
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  23. toto

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    McKinney was only talking about the silent count the team uses on road games!!!

    It's funny how much emphasis people put into the 'go/go-go thing.
    Not one player, not even one on the defensive side has complained about it. One defensive player was even saying it's not an issue because you are trained to react on what you see and never on what you hear!
    Even McKinney who is obviously not afraid to speak about that kind of issues has obviously not complained about it.

    And as much as I like to see some coaches gone after the season I have a hard time to believe they are THAT dumb!
     
  24. finwin

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    Philbin has a flaw there in his blind loyalty to his coaches and if he really is too old to learn or take advise, then he won't grow as a head coach. His record should leave him open to all suggestions. It's obvious to me that in every game, I yell off sides, but when I replay it, the defense has the snap timed to within a milisecond of the ball moving. I hope Ireland holds the door for Sherman and Turner as they're leaving then follows them out.
     
  25. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The assistant coaches each deliver a product to the team, and the GM provides the raw materials with which to deliver that product. Sherman was responsible for delivering the offense, Turner delivered the offensive line to Sherman, and ireland delivered the raw materials to Turner.

    Sherman arguably couldn't deliver the offense because of the garbage offensive line Turner delivered, with the garbage raw materials Ireland got for him. Ireland and Turner have to go, and Sherman should have another opportunity to deliver an offense once he has a line that can block. At this point it isn't clear beyond a reasonable doubt that Sherman is to blame (although it's more likely than not).
     

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