WR still in a state of Flux?

No I think David Kircus is going to be a good tough player for us

 

Nice read FFIC.

Terry Glenn has been talking to the 'Boys about settling their differences and him being part of the team. He fired his agent last month and then re-hired him last week to negotiate with the team. In the end, I think you will see Glenn here because Jerry Jones and other staff members believe that Glenn was disruptive in Crayton's production. They gave Crayton a pretty good contract only a year ago and would like to see him start.

As for Camarillo and Kircus possibly being cut, I could understand Kircus because of his past character but why Camarillo? After the three guys (Ginn, Wilford & Hagan), who do we have? We have a plethora unproven player in Bess, Foster, Lymon, Foster and Wynn.

Camarillo also displayed good route running for us (i.e. vs NE; burnt Hobbs on an in and out route). I think we should carry five receivers (Hagan, Ginn, Wilford, Bess and Camarillo).

Add Foster, Wynn and Lymon on the PS.

 

Yeah, we are going to need to upgrade it. I think if we can snatch Parker and Glenn, we should be pretty good for this year at the WR spot. This is of course assuming they're healthy which is still a big question for both.

As for the veteran leadership, I think that acquiring Glenn and/or Parker would help that tremendously but one thing I want to see step up and assume that role is Beck.

If Beck wants this to be his team, he has to display it. I know someone will say that hes only in his second year and doesn't have many starts under his belt but this job is his to lose. The guy has said all the right things and has worked his tail off to improve his game. The guy threw one interception in 21 practice sessions, thats incredible.

I think he needs to take this team and lead him as far as he can because he is our franchise signal caller atm.

If Beck shows this leadership and provides some success, I will have no doubt that he will be our starting QB from that day on.

 

Thanks for the link brother.

This will definitely be a group thing if they plan on succeeding. The receivers will have to do their job, the O-line will have to keep Beck off of his back, the Running Backs make their marks and Beck will have to do his job. I know it sounds like a lot but if you want to be successful, it's going to be a team thing.

Giants won their championship as a team with heart and passion where to their opponents, the Patriots, set all these individual records and still came up short.

Its all about the heart and the passion that this team leaves on the field. If they play every snap with everything they got, win or lose, it will be a successful season imo.

My biggest concern with this team is not the players but the coaches. I hope they are willing to leave those players in their roles so they can develop that chemistry and learn from their mistakes. If they pull out a player due to struggles, it won't help his confidence and it won't help him sitting on the sidelines.

We need stability. And to reach that point, you need patience.

 

Id love to have Terry Glenn on the team. We now lack that veteran WR. Bringing Glenn in for a year or two could really benefit our young receivers.

 

I think thats going to be a very big part of our success or failure.

It's going to take awhile for our O Line to gel, whether we add someone else like Bentley or not. During that time, I'll expect that we aren't great in pass protection and Beck will have to avoid some shots.

During this growth period, Beck is going to need someone to dump the ball off too, someone reliable. It's extremely important that we have a competent pass catching back (which RW and RB are) to help Beck out. Not having a rb with good hands really hurt last season after Ronnie went down. The other key position that we're going to need a lot of help from is TE. I'm not familiar with Fasano, but I really hope he's more consistent than Martin.

Of course we need leadership in our WR set. Whether or not we'll have any more additions this year is uncertain. I would guess that we do add one more WR from cuts somewhere. I can certainly see this being one spot we target in FA next year, depending how things go this season.

Any idea whos going to be in the slot for us? I could see Cammarillo if he's here. A solid slot reciever (yea like you know who) would also be really important for helping out a guy in Beck's situation too.

 

If Camarillo is here, then I also think he will be here. If they choose to let him go then I could see Wilford being the slot guy with Glenn being the starting WR opposite of Ginn. If we sign Parker then I would say he would be the slot. If we sign neither and let Camarillo go, my guess would be Bess.

 

I hope he will be eventually, but I duno if its gonna be this year.

Dont get me wrong, I would absolutely love for him to start there at the beginning of the season so Im cheering for your boy!

 

I'm certainly not a Terry Glenn fan, but having him here would be a stabilizing factor on the offense for Beck. At this point in his career I'm just not sure that he's any kind of an answer for us aside from his veteran leadership.

The problem with picking up the Terry Glenn or even an Eric Parker aside from their injuries, is that the roster spot they take up may be one of our young and upcoming guys. Kircus, Camarillo are fill-in journeymen that could just as well fill some of that leadership rolealthough obviously not as well as Terry Glenn may be able to. Of course there's always the Parcells connection which would tend to make Terry Glenn the more obvious solution.

 

I dont think I would mind Terry Glenn, but I definately dont want Parker. Chambers went into San Diego and became the number 1 guy over Parker immediately. What message does that send if we sent our #1 WR to a team, and then pick up that teams WR that our guy pushed out. Parker is a horrible WR and would not be an upgrade over anyone on the team. He single handedly was a major factor in the Chargers playoff loss to New England last year dropping passes and fumbling punts (2 I believe). I definately don't want him on the team, even as a number 3. If we had to choose between Glenn and Parker, Parker ALL THE WAY.

Besides, we need to develope OUR OWN guys and not build a team around other teams cast offs. We need solid depth at the WR position-Eric Parker, does not provide that type of solid depth

 

It would mean we need a #2 receiver.

For the record, I, too, favor Glenn over Parker. For Parcells to covet Glenn despite the personal problems they've had in the past would speak volumes about Glenn's value.

 

I agree, and I also believe that a 80% Terry Glenn > 100% Eric Parker

 

I dont think you can argue that Chambers is a far better reciever than Parker, or even Jackson at this point, but in that explosive offense, and stability at QB with Brees and and Rivers, Parker performed only minimal. Between 2004 - 2006, when Parker became a starter, the chargers passed for a total of 10221 yards and 73 TD's. Parkers totals for that time are 2074 yards and 7 td's. He accounted for only 20% of the yardage, 17% of the catches and 10% of the touchdowns during that time. You need more production out of your #2 WR than those %ages, especially out of an offensive powerhouse like San Diego is. Also, just by his performance in that NE playoff game alone, I really wouldnt want him...

But back to the original question, and all stats and bickering aside, I suppose it wouldnt hurt bringing him in for a tryout, but I dont think he would be able to help us much. I believe Terry Glenn could help us much more than Eric Parker.

 

Two flaws in your argument:

1) Yes, SD was an offensive powerhouse, but the two biggest receiving weapons in their offense by far were TE Antonio Gates and RB LaDanian Tomlinson. In that environment, you wouldn't expect your #2 receiver to necessarily put up big numbers.

2) In 2005, Parker only started 9 games.

 

I can accept that, given all the plays Gates and Tomlinson took away from the WR's Parker never made himself stand out as much as a Keenan McCardell or even Vincent Jackson (and its not like these guys are elite recievers or anything). The performances I am used to seeing from him match that of the NE playoff game, and that was probably the worst game of his pro career, during the most important game of his pro career.

I wasnt aware of that, but in looking at the games he's played in, he has never played a full season. His averages are decent, however the games I have seen him play in, he never played well. Maybe he just had bad games and I cought each one, but from what I saw of him, I dont think he would help us anymore than anyone else on our roster

 

I can respect that... So do I

I posted this in Finheaven but I cant remember if i did here or not:

Also, dont forget something else, even if we do have very minimal WR talent currently, we should have an EXTREMELY strong running game with our oline improvement and a stable of capable running backs (given Ricky's current improved ego translates on the field and Ronnie is healthy-which I believe both to be true), that in of itself could transform our recieving game into a credible threat. The fear of our running game should force defenses to put 8-9 in the box, opening up the passing game tremendously, given our WR's can catch the balls

 

Bring in either one so long as they're healthy, but only because we need to give Beck another wily WR to throw to. I personally would prefer we developed Ginn, Hagan, and Wilford, with Bess eventually winning the slot position. But Bess won't really be ready for another year or so, so bringing in either Parker or Glenn makes sense IMO.

 

Bringing in more talent at the skill positions is a good thing. I would rather have Glenn over Parker.

 

Exactly what i was thinking. I'm sure we're going to keep all our options open.

 

Renege the trade! Take back Chambers and give them Henne! Then all will be well.

 

I'd take Parker over Glenn. Glenn provides more leadership but he's probably one hit below the waist away from his career being done.