The problem at hand is Jeff's willingness to overpay in free agency. GM's that do that are not very good GMs. He is overcompensating in free agency for his inability to draft impact players. So, as a result, we have the highest paid one trick pony in the NFL, a high paid linebacker that can't adjust to the new defense, and another high paid linebacker that quite frankly stinks.
Kelly on Ireland http://www.hbindependent.com/topic/fl-omar-kelly-dolphins-1220-20131219,0,4199970.story
Yep. Can't forget that the media is just out to get Miami. It's funny how these fans that feel the media is only out to get the Dolphins are the same fans that pump up these fluff articles written by the same media.
What Ireland will be judged on is how willing Philbin is to continue working with him. I think we all know where Ross stands.
I've lost track of the all media members dolphins fans have claimed have an agenda against the team...so far I've seen Jason Cole, Omar, Armando, Schefter, Dave Hyde, Mike Silver, Mike & Mike, La Canfora, Adam Beasley, Heath Evans, Evan Silva, Mike Florio, all accused of being biased against us...did I miss anyone?
I can't even read a mock draft without seeing someone ripping Ireland lmao... http://walterfootball.com/draft2014charlie_1.php
I guess you haven't noticed that one of the best pick ups in free agency in the entire NFL this year has been Grimes. In fact he is the best CB the Dolphins have had since Madison and Surtain were in their prime. I agree that Wallace was overpaid, but he is still an upgrade over the receivers the Dolphins have had in recent years. I also think Brandon Gibson was having a very good season before being injured and was an excellent signing. I liked the signing of Dustin Keller in the past off season, but with his injury in the preseason, we never got a chance to see how he would work out in the regular season. The injuries to Gibson and Keller certainly can't be blamed on Ireland. I wasn't in favor of signing Ellerbe and Wheeler and getting rid of Dansby and Burnett, but the Dolphins have given up less points after 14 games this season than last year. So even if Ellerbe and Burnett aren't great LB's, they haven't been negatives for the defense either. I am not a big Ireland supporter and I still don't know if he is the right GM for this team if they expect to reach the SB. In fact I have been calling for his firing for well over two years on this forum. At the same time, I had expressed prior to the start of this season that if the Dolphins have a winning season and go to the playoffs, Ireland would deserve much of the credit and should keep his job. Yet I also predicted before the season that the Dolphins would go 7-9 or 8-8 at best and I expected Ireland to be fired if that was the case. I just recognize at this time that the Dolphins have played better than I thought they would and that if they win their next two games and finish 10-6, they will make the playoffs and it will be with the players Ireland has selected for the roster. If they lose this week or next week and they fail to make the playoffs, I will agree that Ireland needs to be replaced. I just think that the season needs to be played out and we should see how the Dolphins finish the season before decisions are made in regards to Ireland and some members of the coaching staff. The fact is that if the Dolphins finish 10-6 and make the playoffs, there is no way in hell Ross is going to fire Ireland and I would completely understand his reasoning for keeping Ireland as this teams GM in that case.
So, how many more public embarrassments is it going to take before some of you realize it is time for him to go?
I understand your frustration with Ireland, but as I stated earlier, Ross is not going to fire a GM if this team wins its next two games, finish 10-6 and make the playoffs. If he was going to fire Ireland because he thought Ireland was an embarrassment for the organization, Ireland would have already been gone. No matter how you , me, or anyone else feels about Ireland. The only person that can fire him is Ross and I am 100% certain he will not fire Ireland if this team makes it to the playoffs. There have been two planes which have flown over the stadium the past two years calling for the firing of Ireland. Ross was so concerned with how you, me and other fans felt about Ireland as the Dolphins GM after last season, he signed Ireland to a one year extension to his contract. It really doesn't matter if you or any of the fans are bothered by how Ireland has done or acted as the GM of the Dolphins. It only matters how the owner feels about the job Ireland has done as the teams GM. Like it or not, Ireland will be here next year if the Dolphins win out in the regular season. So based on your feelings toward Ireland, I guess you are pulling for the Dolphins to lose to the Bills and Jets, just so Ireland won't be here next year.
Ross came in and immediately looked to replace Sparano, meanwhile Ireland is still the GM 3 years later and has already been extended for a 4th year so yes, it's pretty obvious where Ross stands. I figure every one will catch on eventually but I wouldn't be opposed to another year of mindless, foaming at the mouth Fireland talk. It's pretty funny once you get used to it.
The OP is about crediting Ireland for his good moves, there are several to choose from. What, is that not allowed here? There are a hundred other threads about how Ireland sucks blah blah blah why not find one or create number 101 if you care to, there's no need to ruin a good, positive thread with the same tired old crap.
These last two games are going to be a deciding factor for some of you. Which is sad honestly. So we are going to go into this off season, with 1 capable starting offensive lineman. A 2nd and 3rd round 2nd year CBs that only saw the field due to injuries and barely saw the field then too. An over paid safety and a hole across from him. A 1st round #3 overall pick that is going to finish the season with 2 sacks. A 5th round 2nd year kicker who is coming off a 10+ missed FGs. I mean holy **** what an awful, un contributing draft that was. After having a couple decent drafts. He completely **** the bed. His free agent tracker is full of misses(he obviously has some home runs like Grimes) and we have 4 OL, 2 CB spots, 2 defensive tackle spots, a safety spot, and HOPEFULLY a linebacker(cutting wheeler) spot to fill and you guys are really confident that Ireland is the best man for that job? I mean, this is the most important off season is a looooooooong time. With so many of our own free agents, glaring needs, and a QB finally in place, this off season could be the difference of a contender for years to come and a couple years away from competing. I don't think Ireland is the right guy. And unfortunately, I believe we will win the last two games, get in the playoffs, and he will keep his job. I pray I'm wrong about this one.
Ireland is not going to be around regardless. He's run out of life lines. Even if the Dolphins make the playoffs and make a run, Joe Philbin is going to make sure Jeff Ireland has no significant say in personnel and is no longer in front of the camera after this season, and Stephen Ross currently trusts Joe Philbin more than he does Jeff Ireland. Do not forget that all Joe has to do is go to Ross with the fact that he wanted Incognito gone after the incident in May of 2012 at the golf course, and if he had gotten his way, this public embarrassment would have been avoided. Stephen Ross started out as a clueless owner, but he has become more in tune with what is happening recently. He's going to side with Joe Philbin in this situation. Don't be surprised if Brian Gaine ends up getting promoted to GM, because he's the guy in the scouting department that Joe trusts.
Threads arent labeled as positive or negative. People are allowed and will be allowed to have dissenting opinions from yours and the sooner you accept it the better off you will be. If everyone just agreed it would be boring but more to the point what would be the point of having a message board? If you dont like the same "tired old crap" then dont read it. But no one has to conform to your specifications in order to have a valid opinion.
Oh no!!! After 20 years without a QB to build around we have one, we might finish with a good record and make the playoffs for a change. How awful is that? It hurts my brain to even contemplate how deluded that logic is.
Wtf are you talking about? I never said that was bad? Ireland keeping his job is the unfortunate part.
Nappy, you over exaggerated the **** out of the weaknesses of the team. No offense but you were reaching there.
Nevermind that it was a QB he didnt even want and that multiple scouts and outside personnel people had to sell him on the idea of drafting Tannehill. He even said he had to overlook one of his cardinal rules when drafting Tannehill because he was only a 2 year starter. Dont get me wrong, I love me some Ryan Tannehill (going back to club level debates pre 2012 draft I said he could be as good as anyone including Luck...and I still believe that) but Jeff Ireland didnt do that because he wanted to...he was talked in to it. Secondly, its about freaking time we had a winning record. Its the first time since Parcells left we're making a playoff appearance. Why does one need 5 years to assemble a 10-6 type team when GM's in Seattle, SF, and Indianapolis took 2-3 years to build contenders? More importantly why is Jeff Ireland given a pass on all the knuckleheaded things hes done? if I didnt know better Id think he has 5 super bowl rings to his name the way you talk about him.
No, threads aren't labeled as such. It requires a little common sense to discern the difference. Just as it requires common sense to understand that if Ireland were viewed as culpable for 2008-2011 he would have been fired a long time ago and that the moves made since Ireland was handed the keys in no way shape or form embody the failed philosophy of the Parcells years. The team is young and on the rise, Ireland has played a major role in it and the sooner you accept that the better off you will be.
No, wtf are YOU talking about. You acknowledge we're on the right path but you want the man who's responsible for it fired?
How bad our position is entering the off season, and the weaknesses we have. It's essentially the line along with replacing Starks and Soliai. Also, judging Dion Jordan based on sacks was terrible. Judging the entire draft this early was terrible, but that stood out to me.
I think your getting me confused with the Ireland is awful crowd. I just this season made my mind up on him. I have him the benefit of the doubt because of the Parcells years and even defended him on several occasions until this year. I don't think he's an awful GM. I think he's an average to above average talent evaluator and a poor communicator or relationship builder. I think we have been on the right path for a few years now talent wise. But certain areas haven't formed and has been given a lot of resources(OL). The off season with our free agents, the path is coming to an fork in the road. We better choose wisely. And I don't think Ireland is the guy that's going to push this franchise the correct way.
Cmon man, save the he was talked into it stuff. Nobody knows how he felt about RT prior to drafting him, that's just the typical BS excuse the Firelanders use anytime something goes right. It must have been Ross' decision to hire Philbin, must have been someone else who wanted Tannehill. But magically, any decision that doesn't work out is all on Ireland. For a guy like me who has no dog in the fight either way it's nauseating to hear the equivocation that goes on. This is effectively Ireland's third year as the head personnel man and 2011 was basically spent in limbo after the botched attempt to replace Sparano. I'm giving Ireland-Philbin the standard 3 years before I grade them with anything other than an incomplete. So far they seem to be doing a damn good job.
Ya the offensive line is so bad we have a good shot at going 10-6 and making the playoffs despite losing 2 starters.
For the record I don't think Jordan is a bad player. I said they haven't made a impact. Yes he's had a few impact plays, far less the what you would want out of a #3 overall pick to have. If you don't agree, well I'd say your either crazy or blind. And judging week 15 is not early to be judging a draft. I'm not saying it's the end of discussion on the draft. But most of the year our #3 pick couldn't get on the field, our 2nd, 3rd and 3rd rounders were inactive. And our 5th round kicker looked like ****. Those are facts. And again, what positions outside of DT(I admit I forgot about Odrick for a second) did I exaggerate? I stated facts basically on who was free agents.
