After skimming this thread...I think we could win the superbowl this year, and people would still be raging about Ireland not doing a good enough job, the team is a fluke, our roster still has problems, etc. etc. True or false...can't we at least enjoy the ride for once? for ****s sake... haha
But I thought if he found us a franchise QB, all else would be forgiven and forgotten and his job would be safe?
You also forgot to mention that this team had the excuse to fall apart and didn't. They have persevered and management/leadership helped that happen
I get it. It all makes sense now! KB is the guy Jeff Ireland called an *******. It's the only logical explanation. Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
I liked Henne, disliked Sparano, and I was also between the ages of 16 and 18. You should probably write a poem about this though.
The last I checked, it takes more than just a great QB to bring home the bacon. It also takes a solid defense and a solid running game, especially during the time Marino was a QB in the NFL. Rules have changed since his retirement and now favor the passing game much more then it did during the time Marino was in the NFL. Marino NEVER had a complete team around him and that is why he didn't win a Super Bowl. It certainly wasn't because he didn't have the skill or leadership to lead his team to a SB win. Your last statement seems to infer that Marino made excuses for the play of the team around him. I watched him play his entire career in Miami and I don't ever remember him making any excuses for his play or the play of the team. So I'm lost as to your statement that the present team will not need excuses. Before you start comparing Tannehill and the present Dolphins to the Marino teams, can the present team actually make the playoffs first? Perhaps the team will eventually become a consistent playoff team, as the Dolphins were during the Marino years, but right now it is far too early to compare Tannehill and this team to the Marino teams of the past. As far as Ireland goes. I will give him credit for the players he has selected who have contributed to the success of the Dolphins this year. If the Dolphins make the playoffs, he deserves to remain the GM after this season. I still don't know if he is the GM this team needs to become a legitimate SB contender, but maybe he will prove me wrong if the Dolphins make the playoffs this year and he remains the teams GM.
Or, just not in charge. If he didn't agree with his boss the smart thing would have been to document or at least let his ideas be known internally, but be a good soldier publicly. Everybody in the world knew that Parcells would leave sooner rather than later. At that point if Parcells' plan favored it would be easy for an owner to ascertain what Ireland recommended be done differently and judge his merit on that. Which coincidentally is what I heard Ross did. The idiotic thing top do would be to make a stink or quit b/c that would have most assuredly ended any future employment hopes. The only downside to that is that clueless fans would bash him without knowing any facts about what he recommended or agreed with.
The topic is giving Ireland credit for some of the good moves he's made, so you're not exactly on message either.
That's something the pitchfork crowd is missing. Whatever happened when Parcells was here has already been judged. Obviously when Ross evaluated Ireland's work from that time and was able to determine what Ireland had control of and what he didn't control, what decisions and what recommendations he made, Ross decided that he trusted Ireland. That's information that many here are just refusing to acknowledge that they don't know. It's not that difficult to understand that Parcells was in charge and to figure out when he left, so clearly they're purposefully putting their fingers in their ears. What Ireland will be judged on by Ross is what happened after Parcells left and the few areas Ross already knows Ireland actually controlled before Parcells left (the only area we know of is UDFAs). Everything else is just repetition of irrelevant information.
Absolutely right! Before the season most everybody acknowledged that if the team made the playoffs and Tannehill looked like he was developing into a franchise QB that everybody would be safe. The detractors claimed that it would never happen, that this team would win no more than 5-8 games and miss the playoffs b/c the talent was just so bad. But now that RT looks like he's developing into a franchise QB and we're looking likely to win more than 8 games and are 70% favorites to make the playoffs the story has changed. It's all due to coaching and smoke and mirrors. It doesn't matter that respected evaluators like Polian and Casserly have come out and stated that this team is full of young talent and that the team looks like a perennial playoff contender for years. Clearly they're homers! (I'm not exactly sure how that works?). There's no way that we have potential top 5 at their position guys at QB, C, pass rusher and CB (RT, Pouncey, Wake, Grimes). And at worst good to very good players in OV, Clay, Jones, Odrick, Jordan, Wallace, Hartline. (I actually would personally list a few more players in the good category, but these seemed like obvious ones). So now if the team makes the playoffs then it will be a fluke or an outlier. The team can't possibly be developing. There's no way the detractors could possibly admit they were wrong about the talent on the team. They will continue to claim that the future is bleak and that anybody who sees a developing team has low goals. They will claim that they want the team to succeed, but will still complain regardless of how many wins we get. I expect that the odds are high that Miami makes the playoffs and the Ireland will be retained and the same complainers will make the same complaints next year. And if we're fortunate enough to win a SB at some point it will be a fluke or an outlier and the majority of the complainers will still claim they were right (and comically, they'll actually believe they were right).
From what I've read, Ireland wanted to draft Ryan with the 1st pick in 2008. Parcells wanted Jake Long. That is one rumor I've seen on more than one occasion.
What? Where? This is the exact opposite of what was reported in the lead-up to the 2008 draft, and the opposite of what has been common knowledge on this forum for years. Ireland and Sparano both wanted Jake Long. Bill Parcells wanted Chris Long. Parcells, in deference to the two guys who would be running the team after he left, gave them a negotiating window with Jake Long, after which, if he did not agree to a contract, they were to open negotiations with Chris Long. Jake Long agreed and became the draft pick. Ireland then spent the next five years publicly gushing over him, including using such phrases as "couldn't hurt him with an axe" and "best player in college football". There is zero indication that Ireland wanted Matt Ryan, especially given his end-of-2008-season comments about Henne, namely his infamous "I already know he's a draft hit" statement made before Henne played in a single regular season game.
Actually I am on topic. There's a difference between a dissenting opinion and criticizing another member. So yes I am on topic, I just have a dissenting opinion.
Wow. Let's set aside your strawman army—did a moderator just refer to the majority of persons on the forum he moderates as members of a cult? Really?
While I won't argue that Miami is not loaded with talent at this time. I have to question your comment that the Dolphins are only winning games against other mediocre teams. As of this week, the Dolphins have beat the Colts, Bengals, and Patriots this season. The Patriots and Colts have qualified for the AFC playoffs and the Bengals are very likely to be another playoff team. The Dolphins also defeated the Chargers and Steelers and these losses will probably mean that neither of these teams will end up in the playoffs. So while the Dolphins have also beat some mediocre teams this year, as well as suffered defeats against some inferior teams, they certainly would have be considered more than mediocre at the point in the season. Unless of course you consider all the teams in the AFC mediocre and therefore any win the team has in the division is nothing more than a mediocre victory to you. I have been one of the most anti-Ireland forum members for the past few years. I have also thought that this was nothing but a mediocre team who needed a new GM and I was questioning the coaching staff for much of this season. I have no idea what will happen in the next two games, but I certainly don't think that right now is the most appropriate time to be knocking what this team has accomplished so far this season. Perhaps you should just take a break and let the season play out before you condemn this team. Perhaps they will win out and make the playoffs and anything can happen once they are in the playoffs. They may also lose one or both of their final two games and then we can have a more realistic viewpoint on the entire season. It is obvious this team needs more impact players before they will be a legitimate SB contender, but they are a much better overall team today than they were when Parcells departed the organization. Ireland deserves part of the credit for this, along with the present coaching staff. While Ireland has yet to draft a player who has been an All Pro player since he took over after Parcells departure. He has done a decent job in the free agent market and several of his draft picks have had a quaility year for the Dolphins. When you look around the NFL, especially the AFC, not many teams have a tremendous amount of talent throughout their rosters. In fact, if you take Manning off the Broncos and Brady off the Patriots, I don't see that either of these teams have as much talent on their rosters as the Dolphins do right now. Both of these teams would have trouble winning 8 games if not for the fact they have two of the best QB's in the history of the NFL. The Dolphins certainly need to add more play makers in the off season to get to that next level, but right now they have nothing to apologize for in regards to the way the season has unfolded so far.
Padre, sorry I have not been keeping up. But I will make one emphatic point about this man. His job is to pick players. The only thing I know with any certainty is Bill Parcells was gone during the 2010 season. This owner sought the advice of men across the league as to whether he needed to clear the house completely after 2011 and Jeff Ireland survived. So whenever this topic comes up I start right there at the 2011 draft. I mean we can point the finger at media mess that is Jonathan Martin and the questioning of Dez Bryant. But I would suggest to you that the question he asked Dez Bryant (however misguided) was to see if this man had the equivalent mental strength of Jonathan Martin. From that viewpoint, what's not to like about this man's resume?
Odd that you cited two first round picks and a high second round pick to discredit the players listed. To that I would say your franchise quarterback, arguably the best center in the league, and your current sack leader on this team (Olivier Vernon) were just as worthy of similar picks. As to your list: 1. I remember five years of "Jason Taylor can't defend the run" talk. 2. How many times do you need to see a pee wee herman dance from the DT position? It's a freaking passing league! 3. I have issue with both safeties but I will say this... that 5th round pick is on the field STARTING. 4. Count them. Seven (7) tight ends in the league have more yardage than Charles Clay this year. 5. A 7th round pick that actually sees the field? That evidence AGAINST the GM? 6. Played over his head? WTF? 7. That's the fourth pick you've listed while Bill Parcells was in the room and guess what....... He's on the field contributing to wins! Again this list ignores one staggering fact. All of the players are starters. All of the players were DRAFTED. Maybe we need another year of Wanny picking players to remind us just how nice it is to have draft picks on the field producing wins and still be a projected 30 million under the cap.
IMO Philbin should decide Ireland's fate. He's had two years to decide if working with Ireland is what's best for his/this teams future.
jw3102 I believe this to be a must read for every dolfan... this is the other side of the coin you obviously missed when I posted: "DollFans have created an entire Mythology of Marino to explain this failure. They say he had no defense, no running game, no supporting cast. It sounds good on paper, but it's just not true. Fortunately, the Cold, Hard Football Facts worship in a different temple, one where raw numbers and reality reign as Zeus and Apollo. They easily debunked the four biggest myths perpetuated by the cult of Dan Marino. Myth: Dan Marino had no defense. Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league's No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That's a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino's playing days. Consider this: Terry Bradshaw played 14 seasons in Pittsburgh and won four Super Bowls. The famed Steel Curtain defense that he played with led the league in scoring just twice in those 14 years. Of Bradshaw's four title teams, only one boasted the league's best scoring defense. In Marino's record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league's No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game. There's no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that's the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls. Myth: Marino had no running game. Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino joined Miami at a time when it had a reputation of being the best ground team in football. In fact, the year before Marino was drafted, the Dolphins made it all the way to the Super Bowl on the strength of a great running game and great defense. In Marino's rookie year, 1983, the Dolphins racked up 2,150 yards on the ground. In 1984, Marino set single-season records with 48 touchdowns and 5,084 yards passing. The Dolphins still managed 1,918 rushing yards and averaged 4.0 yards per carry. It would be disingenuous to say that the Dolphins were a great running team later in Marino's career. Of course, much of that can be attributed to too few rushing attempts and a misguided faith placed in Marino's arm. But consider this: The New England Patriots went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl last year while averaging a woeful 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. The Dolphins averaged more than 3.4 yards per rushing attempt 14 times in Marino's 17 seasons. In other words, Marino's Dolphins ran the ball more than well enough to win Super Bowls. Myth: Marino had to carry the Dolphins himself. Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino. In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That's a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino's career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England's two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players. Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history, Don Shula. Shula has quite a resume. Working with quarterbacks Bob Griese, Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, he led the Colts and Dolphins to five Super Bowls in 15 years. Over the next 13 seasons, working with Marino, he appeared in just one more Super Bowl. He lost. If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino. Myth: Marino was a big-game quarterback. Cold, Hard Football Facts: Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself. Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them. In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead. Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender. In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games..." Dan the man, simply never brought home the bacon... Marino/Moreno, no excuses http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...ythology/4507/ I believe Ryan Tannehill & company will not disappoint, nor will they need excuses
My Christmas wish is all the people who always doubt this teams players because the current GM selected them, and want the GM out of town, go back to the jest boards and root for their own team. Leave this franchise on the way up alone.
That's what I remember. The pick was down to the Longs, Jake and Chris. Matt Ryan wasn't even in the mix.
What decent free agent has he signed? I'm just curious, because you state he has done decent in free agency. I'm wondering what part of his free agent moves are decent. Overpaying Karlos Dansby? Overpaying Mike Wallace? Overpaying Dannell Ellerbe? Overpaying Philip Wheeler? It's interesting that Richie Incognito is probably his best free agent signing as far as the return he got for his investment in the player, and it is ironic that Richie's presence on the team is what will cost Ireland his job. It's fitting. A SOB gets fired because he refused to cut an SOB that the head coach wanted gone.
...so Parcells drafted Martin and was in charge during the Incognito soap opera? I guess he's been keeping a pretty low profile if he's been in charge this year. I guess Parcells asked Bryant about him Mom too right? Parcels overruled Philbin after the Golf Course incident? Parcels was behind the Harbaugh debacle? Parcels went into the year with possibly the worst Oline in history and no starting caliber NFL running backs on our roster? Weird cause I haven't seen him around for 3 years or so. The only ones rewriting history are the ones falling over themselves to praise a guy that no one can argue is anything but mediocre at best. Anyone that has the nerve to blast Ireland is talked about like they are just knee jerk fans or idiots when there is certainly an argument to be made to get rid of him. I can understand people who want to give him another year or so but to act as though everyone is just an idiot fan when they are critical of Ireland is just pathetic.
The players I listed wouldn't be starting on half the teams in the league. You guys have let a run against mediocre teams cloud your judgement and have overvalued these players at this point.
Grimes was a great move but lets honestly look at his track record with FAs, its not good. No one can even argue that. And when you're highest priced acquisitions are mediocre or terrible thats what you are judged on. Making 3 or 4 huge signings then hitting on a couple of low key signings isn't great by anyone's measure. No one expects a GM to hit on all Free Agents or draft picks but when you are bad or mediocre most of the time and hit on one or two its not a measure of a good GM. I think any mediocre or bad GM can hit on a few draft picks or Free Agents. I mean Matt Millen found a few good players.
To bad he only has a one year deal, and some of you want to give Jeff a chance to screw up the negotiations with him this coming off season.
You mean the guy signed on a one year prove it deal because he was coming back from a season ending injury?
